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MrKnowNothing wrote:That's just the North American forwards list.
DelPen wrote:MrKnowNothing wrote:That's just the North American forwards list.
No, it's the full skaters list.
I have my eye on David Fischer for the 2nd round, righty, already 6-4 and good at moving the puck. Committed to Minnesota next year but might play for Tri-City Americans in the USHL.
Ironhorse wrote:This is the first time I've seen any scouting service not have Kessel in the top 4.
elij21 wrote:(Staal and Toews are lefties and Kessel is a righty. Unless TSM messed the list up I have no faith in this list if they can't even get what hand the guys shoot with right.)
How can you not have faith when it says it the international scouting Service. I'm pretty sure they got there information right.
Jim wrote:Trade the pick...
mikey287 wrote:Echoing the last few statements, trade that pick is right. Get a 22-28 year old who already has NHL proven talent, maybe a good d-man...it won't be Jack Johnson, rest assured he won't be given up. But see if Florida will move J-Bo, see if Vaananen is available, Colaiacovo, I don't know what the value of the pick would be, but if we could put together something and get a really good defenseman out of it...or a talented scoring winger...now help, not 2-4 years from now prospective help...
mikey287 wrote:I'm not a GM or anything but I believe there is value to be had in that 2nd overall pick. How about a team like Colorado, Edmonton (although they have a really good core of young players and prospects), Tampa Bay, San Jose...teams that don't have that solid of a future, but may or may not be in the playoffs next year (except San Jose, they should be there), they won't give up something of some value to get a pick...Edmonton giving up a Brad Winchester or even Marc Andre Bergeron (part of larger deal). I don't know I think we can squeeze something out of this if we shop it around, my personal feeling is that I would love to grab Colaiacovo and maybe Ponikarovsky (we need some more 3rd liners, j/k) and/or Antropov (worth a try, no?) and give up a big center back, hm, I don't know...Endicott, and throw them a terrible old d-man like Odelein...I don't know just an idealistic shot at something, but my point is, I think the pick has some okay value, it is 2nd overall.
After thought: Would Thibault garner any interest...like in Toronto, with Telly and all, he would be a guy to fall back on, we give up Thibualt, Endo and our 1st for CC, AP, NA or whatever...I'll just stop, I've been rambling for way too long...
netwolf wrote:Draftnik, in your opinion is Kessel more effective on the wing or in the middle? That is my main concern. Many of the top forwards are all centers. People talk about taking one of them and moving them to wing like it's no big deal but as we saw this year with 87 he was much better in the middle.
If Kessel's development and production won't be lessened by putting him on the wing, then I say stay at #2 and take either Kessel or Johnson. If the move to wing might be a problem or limit Kessel in any way, then I say call St. Louis and see if you can get them to swap picks to get Johnson.
netwolf wrote:Draftnik, in your opinion is Kessel more effective on the wing or in the middle? That is my main concern. Many of the top forwards are all centers. People talk about taking one of them and moving them to wing like it's no big deal but as we saw this year with 87 he was much better in the middle.
If Kessel's development and production won't be lessened by putting him on the wing, then I say stay at #2 and take either Kessel or Johnson. If the move to wing might be a problem or limit Kessel in any way, then I say call St. Louis and see if you can get them to swap picks to get Johnson.
Draftnik wrote:The concerns about how he would fit in with Crosby and/or Malkin at W are legitimate because they also need to have the puck to be at their best.
Either way it makes no sense to trade the pick for any reason other than to grab Johnson. Kessel could be parked at Minn for a few years and he will be an absolute scoring machine that probably will have higher trade value in a few years when the perception of his game isn't as warped as it is today. A trade also would make more sense in a few years because the Pens core would be more mature and the parts they need to complete their puzzle would be defined much better.
Henry Hank wrote:That's the key to the situation the Pens currently are in. They've already got two franchise-calibre players to center the top two lines in Crosby and Malkin for at least the next what, seven years? And I'm guessing at least one of those guys will be here for a very long time, hopefully their entire careers. Even if these draft possibilities aren't necessarily useful to us, by the time they're developed and ready, they should be huge trading chips to get something the team really does need.
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