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"Its not for us to stick our noses in the business of the old Mellon arena site. But we feel this old parking lot is to sacred to rip up and put new development on. The parking lot has server Pittsburgh proudly and should stand for future generations to enjoy. "
no name wrote:The Historical and Preservation Society put out this statement:"Its not for us to stick our noses in the business of the old Mellon arena site. But we feel this old parking lot is to sacred to rip up and put new development on. The parking lot has server Pittsburgh proudly and should stand for future generations to enjoy. "
Idoit40fans wrote:no name wrote:The Historical and Preservation Society put out this statement:"Its not for us to stick our noses in the business of the old Mellon arena site. But we feel this old parking lot is to sacred to rip up and put new development on. The parking lot has server Pittsburgh proudly and should stand for future generations to enjoy. "
Is this post a joke, was that statement a joke, or is this real?
Idoit40fans wrote:no name wrote:The Historical and Preservation Society put out this statement:"Its not for us to stick our noses in the business of the old Mellon arena site. But we feel this old parking lot is to sacred to rip up and put new development on. The parking lot has server Pittsburgh proudly and should stand for future generations to enjoy. "
Is this post a joke, was that statement a joke, or is this real?
IanMoran wrote:Idoit40fans wrote:no name wrote:The Historical and Preservation Society put out this statement:"Its not for us to stick our noses in the business of the old Mellon arena site. But we feel this old parking lot is to sacred to rip up and put new development on. The parking lot has server Pittsburgh proudly and should stand for future generations to enjoy. "
Is this post a joke, was that statement a joke, or is this real?
Its kind of sad I wasn't sure until the "Server" typo... Seems like a legit statement from them
mac5155 wrote:It infuriates me when I hear how much the arena cost taxpayers when IoC would've built it for nothing.
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:That corruption starts in Harrisburg and spreads its tentacles across the state. Remember that the plan to select a winner based on a proposal instead of going to the highest bidder like how most states awarded slot licenses was from Fast Eddie Rendell and his cronies.
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:That corruption starts in Harrisburg and spreads its tentacles across the state. Remember that the plan to select a winner based on a proposal instead of going to the highest bidder like how most states awarded slot licenses was from Fast Eddie Rendell and his cronies.
Yeah, two things people or media don't talk about often is how the entire idea to start with was stupid. Isle of Capris was basically saying the casino license was worth $350,000,000 to them, yet the license was bid out for around $20 million (I can't remember exactly) and picked by a committee. A pretty big scam across the state that even if being conservative cost the tax payers about $300,000,000 per license awarded. Not even the Penguins not getting an arena, but just the complete discounted casino license.
The second thing was the guy who was awarded the license couldn't afford to get it all done so it was just all but given to another company which actually broke the law. The law stated that if there was issues in the completion it went back through a process. That process never happened and nobody cared.
Among other things.
If there was any question about Pennsylvania politics just read up on this for a few hours. It should have been a national story.
DesertPenguin wrote:BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:That corruption starts in Harrisburg and spreads its tentacles across the state. Remember that the plan to select a winner based on a proposal instead of going to the highest bidder like how most states awarded slot licenses was from Fast Eddie Rendell and his cronies.
Yeah, two things people or media don't talk about often is how the entire idea to start with was stupid. Isle of Capris was basically saying the casino license was worth $350,000,000 to them, yet the license was bid out for around $20 million (I can't remember exactly) and picked by a committee. A pretty big scam across the state that even if being conservative cost the tax payers about $300,000,000 per license awarded. Not even the Penguins not getting an arena, but just the complete discounted casino license.
The second thing was the guy who was awarded the license couldn't afford to get it all done so it was just all but given to another company which actually broke the law. The law stated that if there was issues in the completion it went back through a process. That process never happened and nobody cared.
Among other things.
If there was any question about Pennsylvania politics just read up on this for a few hours. It should have been a national story.
If IoC would have funded the arena themselves, the money lenders wouldn't have gotten their cut, the construction companies would have had to bid fairly for the work instead of stuffing pockets, and kickbacks in general would have been at a minimum.
Tell me, how would THAT have benefitted anyone? :pop:
Seriously, the city politics are all dirty. Our former mayor is under federal investigation, our former police chief embezelled loads of money, our district attorney is mafia royalty, our coroner sells organs on the black market, and life just goes on.
Troy Loney wrote:Here's what is starting to confuse me. When did the penguins become a real estate developer? So the city gave them this land to then get some partners and develop it? Just seems like a dumb decision.
Pitt87 wrote:Troy Loney wrote:Here's what is starting to confuse me. When did the penguins become a real estate developer? So the city gave them this land to then get some partners and develop it? Just seems like a dumb decision.
Ron Burkle has been in real estate throughout his professional life. Having the Pens as a partner in the development of the area is a good thing and Ron Burkle, as part of the management team, investing in Pittsburgh is also a good thing.
Troy Loney wrote:Pitt87 wrote:Troy Loney wrote:Here's what is starting to confuse me. When did the penguins become a real estate developer? So the city gave them this land to then get some partners and develop it? Just seems like a dumb decision.
Ron Burkle has been in real estate throughout his professional life. Having the Pens as a partner in the development of the area is a good thing and Ron Burkle, as part of the management team, investing in Pittsburgh is also a good thing.
Eh, real estate is more of a regional specialty, and I doubt Burkle is really that involved with the specifics of this plan...i mean it's not like his CA development model would work in uptown Pittsburgh.
RE development is so political, especially in that area. just seems unwise to have the Penguins involved here.
newarenanow wrote:Wasn't the north shore development handed over to the Steelers and Pirates as part of their negotiations? Serious question.
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