Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby itissteeltime on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:06 pm

I don't think any of the 4 are on Murray. Is it possible and do I think he could have robbed 1 or 2 of them? Sure. Do I expect him to make any of those saves? No
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby jitter1127 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:07 pm

FLPensFan wrote:
murphydump55 wrote:
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lemieuxReturns wrote:Murray is not playing well and he hasn’t been playing well for a while.

What would you like him to do differently on 5-3 goals against? Great lateral movement by the Bolts. The Gourde shot was a beauty, low along the ice at far post as the goalie is just starting to push off towards the other post. The only semi-questionable goal would be Pointe's 3rd goal, and I just say semi-questionable because it wasn't as tic-tac-toe as the 1st 2 goals.


Aside from John Gibson who is having an unreal season considering, I wonder who has faced the most high danger chances after him? Murray has to be up there.

Gibson had 124 high danger shots against coming into tonight. Murray had 69. However, in terms of HDSA per game, Gibson is 7.75, Murray is 7.67. However, Murray has given up 17 High Danger Goals. His High Danger SV% is .754. That ranks 60th out of 69 goalies, and only 3 of the 9 goalies worse than him have played more than 5 games.


There was an article I read a month or so ago stating that the stats rating the difficulty of the shots is highly inaccuarte. How many times have people said "the team has to play better in front of Murray."? At some point you have to start looking at Murray. Our defense is certainly sub-par, but Murray has not stepped up and I feel he has severely regressed since he came back last year. He was always very solid, but nothing flashy or spectacular. Now he seems to have totally lost his mojo. I do not think this team will be going too far with Murray and DeSmith unless Murray steps up his game. Right now they are both playing like solid backups.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby Maestro on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:07 pm

Who has played better this year - Murray or DeSmith?

Yes, no goal tonight is on him. How many games has Murray "won" for the team this year so far?
He is not living up to his contract.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby murphydump55 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:08 pm

When someone’s arguments take the form of personal attacks and name-calling it’s a pretty clear admission that they don’t have anything valid or worthwhile to say.

So yeah. Anyway.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby murphydump55 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:09 pm

Maestro wrote:Who has played better this year - Murray or DeSmith?

Yes, no goal tonight is on him. How many games has Murray "won" for the team this year so far?
He is not living up to his contract.


DeSmith. No doubt.

There’s quite a few not living up to their contracts. One just got traded.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby KG on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:10 pm

Murphy I agree. I would have liked to have seen the savings on Sheary and Hunwick spent more wisely!

But this team has fallen into the trap for to long of letting the stars win games for them. They need to play more as a team to win. Sully has his work cut out for him.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby murphydump55 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:11 pm

The Penguins took three penalties in 20 seconds against one of the league's most lethal power plays and haven't gotten an even-strength goal from their 3rd or 4th line since Oct. 25 (10 games ago).
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby BurghThing on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:11 pm

Talk about swallowing whistles! Refuse to even call rhw obvious icing
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby Humperdink on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:12 pm

murphydump55 wrote:When someone’s arguments take the form of personal attacks and name-calling it’s a pretty clear admission that they don’t have anything valid or worthwhile to say.


Deep.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby Humperdink on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:13 pm

murphydump55 wrote:
pens2005 wrote:
murphydump55 wrote:
FLPensFan wrote:
murphydump55 wrote:Cullen is awful and was awful last year. Nobody would listen.

I listened....


True. I thought of you after I posted lol

How do they extend Rutherford? Seriously?


Now you want to get rid of Rutherford. It's like if some of you aren't whining about something then you aren't living.

This team wins 2 cups in 3 years, starts the year a "dismal" 7-6 and everyone wants heads to roll.

Lol unreal.


The fact that this needs to be explained to you is sad. I won’t even do it.


Another "deep" one.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby AricM on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:14 pm

Rust 3.5M 1 goal -4
Sheahan 2.1M 0 goals -9
Johnson 3.25M 1 goal -8

The duds listed above and the injuries to Brassard and Schultz are seemingly too much to overcome. The guys not chipping in have at least got to play even hockey.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby murphydump55 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:15 pm

KG wrote:Murphy I agree. I would have liked to have seen the savings on Sheary and Hunwick spent more wisely!

But this team has fallen into the trap for to long of letting the stars win games for them. They need to play more as a team to win. Sully has his work cut out for him.


You have a 42 year old that stunk last year and it was no secret. Odds are great that he isn’t rebounding here at that age. You have Grant that just isn’t that good. You have Sheahan who isn’t close to what he was last year. Rust stinks, Hagelin stunk. Sprong wasn’t put into too many situations to succeed considering the leashes others received. Johnson isn’t good and some refuse to accept it. Losing Schultz and Brassard hurts.

I’m not sure this is playing as a team thing but more of a we don’t have much depth thing.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby KG on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:17 pm

AricM wrote:Rust 3.5M 1 goal -4
Sheahan 2.1M 0 goals -9
Johnson 3.25M 1 goal -8

The duds listed above and the injuries to Brassard and Schultz are seemingly too much to overcome. The guys not chipping in have at least got to play even hockey.



Correct Arich. Especially when you’re a top heavy team like the Pens are, the depth signings need to hit for them to be a legit cup threat. This year, they haven’t.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby DelPen on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:18 pm

AricM wrote:Rust 3.5M 1 goal -4
Sheahan 2.1M 0 goals -9
Johnson 3.25M 1 goal -8

The duds listed above and the injuries to Brassard and Schultz are seemingly too much to overcome. The guys not chipping in have at least got to play even hockey.


It’s a bad situation all around right now. Starting to look like the Kings and Hawks after their Cup runs crashing back to earth.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby murphydump55 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:19 pm

KG wrote:
AricM wrote:Rust 3.5M 1 goal -4
Sheahan 2.1M 0 goals -9
Johnson 3.25M 1 goal -8

The duds listed above and the injuries to Brassard and Schultz are seemingly too much to overcome. The guys not chipping in have at least got to play even hockey.



Correct Arich. Especially when you’re a top heavy team like the Pens are, the depth signings need to hit for them to be a legit cup threat. This year, they haven’t.


It’s two seasons in a row that they haven’t hit.

But he won this team back to back Cups so he can’t do a bad job.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby Faubert5 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:20 pm

Pens not even sniffing a chance right now.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby Daniel on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pm

murphydump55 wrote:
KG wrote:Murphy I agree. I would have liked to have seen the savings on Sheary and Hunwick spent more wisely!

But this team has fallen into the trap for to long of letting the stars win games for them. They need to play more as a team to win. Sully has his work cut out for him.


You have a 42 year old that stunk last year and it was no secret. Odds are great that he isn’t rebounding here at that age. You have Grant that just isn’t that good. You have Sheahan who isn’t close to what he was last year. Rust stinks, Hagelin stunk. Sprong wasn’t put into too many situations to succeed considering the leashes others received. Johnson isn’t good and some refuse to accept it. Losing Schultz and Brassard hurts.

I’m not sure this is playing as a team thing but more of a we don’t have much depth thing.


I think the problem with Cullen and Grant is that it pushes young guys down a notch. There was literally no competition for roster spots this September and they let the waiver eligibility dictate the roster (other than Riikola who is an 8th defensemen).

Cullen as a 13th/14th forward and Grant not on the roster gives space for Adam Johnson, Teddy Blueger, etc. to earn a spot. If Cullen is playing because Brassard is hurt, or Blueger is struggling, so be it, but Cullen playing every game is a disservice to the team.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby KG on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pm

Pens losing Botteril may be bigger then many imagined. JR has historically been a mediocre GM . He made some good moves here with a great core and won 2 cups. Not sure how long of a leash that garners. At least 3 more years apparently.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby tman1737 on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pm

Do we have a 1st round pick next year??
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby KG on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:24 pm

tman1737 wrote:Do we have a 1st round pick next year??


As of now I believe we do. Don’t bank on them keeping it !
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby DelPen on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:25 pm

KG wrote:
tman1737 wrote:Do we have a 1st round pick next year??


As of now I believe we do. Don’t bank on them keeping it !


It’s the only bargaining chip to move a bad deal or have another team retain salary for a big move. It’s gone.
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby Skatingpen on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:25 pm

murphydump55 wrote:
KG wrote:Murphy I agree. I would have liked to have seen the savings on Sheary and Hunwick spent more wisely!

But this team has fallen into the trap for to long of letting the stars win games for them. They need to play more as a team to win. Sully has his work cut out for him.


You have a 42 year old that stunk last year and it was no secret. Odds are great that he isn’t rebounding here at that age. You have Grant that just isn’t that good. You have Sheahan who isn’t close to what he was last year. Rust stinks, Hagelin stunk. Sprong wasn’t put into too many situations to succeed considering the leashes others received. Johnson isn’t good and some refuse to accept it. Losing Schultz and Brassard hurts.

I’m not sure this is playing as a team thing but more of a we don’t have much depth thing.


Agree but what is crazy was all the talk from the media and fans at how this is the deepest the Pens have been in a few years..... it looked that way on paper for sure
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby DelPen on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:27 pm

If Maatta passes that to oleksiak it’s a goal
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby KG on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:27 pm

Center depth is key in this league . Brassard was a sought after commodity last year (Winnipeg etc) I would heavily investigate moving him for some solid depth. If he’s ever healthy!
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Re: Official GDT: Pens vs Bolts 11/15/18

Postby DelPen on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:28 pm

I haven’t seen basic execution be this bad in a long time.
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