Should the Calder Trophy go to whoever gets more points?

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Should the Calder Trophy go to whoever gets more points?

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Should the Calder Trophy go to whoever gets more points?

Postby DelPen on Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:53 pm

It really is clear, barring a complete implosion, that the race for the Calder is between Ovechkin and Crosby. Both are already great players in what they bring to the game. I think it will come down to who gets more points in deciding and I think that's a valid tie breaker in this case.
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Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:56 pm

Really the only way Sid gets the Calder is if he scores more points than Ovie. Really I think the only way he gets it is if he scores more goals as well.

Many people will say that Ovie is a one man show on the Caps (which is true) and that he won't get as many assists because there aren't any other goal scorers on his team where as in Pittsburgh he has played with LeClair, Lemieux, Recchi, Pallfy, etc.
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Postby Kicksave on Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:58 pm

Honestly, I think it should goto Dion Phaneuf or Henrik Lundquist.
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Postby DelPen on Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:59 pm

I hope the poeple who are voting watch Crosby's passes for the assists he gets. Most of them are the primary assist and his passes from out of nowhere make those goals happen.

But for the record, I still think Ovechkin is going to squeek out a few more points than Crosby.
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Postby Bowser on Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:08 pm

can I just say, Dion Phaneuf is one of the most impressive defensive prospects in the NHL in a long time. He has stepped right into the pressure cooker and been a top defensive player. You don't see that often from good defensemen.
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Postby FallenHero96 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:11 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:Really the only way Sid gets the Calder is if he scores more points than Ovie. Really I think the only way he gets it is if he scores more goals as well.

Many people will say that Ovie is a one man show on the Caps (which is true) and that he won't get as many assists because there aren't any other goal scorers on his team where as in Pittsburgh he has played with LeClair, Lemieux, Recchi, Pallfy, etc.


I dont think that Crosby playing with Lemeiux, ect. will have any impact in the voting. Yeah they were on his team for a while, but its not like our team was tearing it up with them in the lineup. We are about to finish last, so its obvious Crosby's teammates, no matter who they are, were not a opionion-changing influence.
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Postby fourtKNOX on Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:29 pm

anybody believe crosby's age will benefit or hamper his votes for the calder?
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Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:34 pm

FallenHero96 wrote:
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:Really the only way Sid gets the Calder is if he scores more points than Ovie. Really I think the only way he gets it is if he scores more goals as well.

Many people will say that Ovie is a one man show on the Caps (which is true) and that he won't get as many assists because there aren't any other goal scorers on his team where as in Pittsburgh he has played with LeClair, Lemieux, Recchi, Pallfy, etc.


I dont think that Crosby playing with Lemeiux, ect. will have any impact in the voting. Yeah they were on his team for a while, but its not like our team was tearing it up with them in the lineup. We are about to finish last, so its obvious Crosby's teammates, no matter who they are, were not a opionion-changing influence.


I don't necessarily agree with this but it is the arguement that will be made and is true to a certain extent.
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I voted yes because....

Postby Pitts on Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:46 pm

It keeps it simple in debating a winner. If you start discussing passing, defensive play, linemates, coaching, etc...you enter a lot of gray area.

K.I.S.S. - the top points producer gets the hardware.
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Postby tluke53 on Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:49 pm

It should probably be the most important factor, but not the only factor. If they are within 5 points of eachother, I think it would be fair to choose either one.
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Postby yeltzen on Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:42 pm

If Crosby scored more points than Ovechkin and Ovechkin won the Calder, this place would be flipping out.
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Postby netwolf on Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:46 pm

A lot of people will flip out if Ovechkin wins over Crosby regardless.

The Calder should go to the best rookie, not the best rookie scorer. If that was the only criteria, goalies and defensemen would never win it.
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Postby yeltzen on Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:51 pm

netwolf wrote:A lot of people will flip out if Ovechkin wins over Crosby regardless.

The Calder should go to the best rookie, not the best rookie scorer. If that was the only criteria, goalies and defensemen would never win it.


I think it's pretty unfair that Svatos, Phaneuf, and Lundqvist are barely being mentioned. Especially Lundqvist. The guy is in the perfect situation to totally drag a playoff team into the gutter, and he's actually making them better. Ovechkin has totally stolen the show, of course, but Lundqvist should at least be mentioned in the same breath as he and Crosby.
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Postby netwolf on Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:06 pm

In any other year, any of those three would be the front runner. I forget who said it but the whole "life's not fair, get a helmet" line of thinking applies. :twisted:

Besides, it's one trophy. I'm sure none of them are worried about being overlooked. Each guy is well appreciated by their local fans and by anyone who really follows the league. Those guys are not being overlooked be the astute fans of the NHL like you and me. :wink:
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Postby careyz8 on Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:25 am

I believe that the best overall player, whether that is a forward, dman, or goalie, should be the winner of the Calder. Crosby appears to me that he is the better "team" player. As you can see by his stats and his linemates stats, he seems the better rookie. Ovechkin, yes he is also a great player, but it appears to me that he is the whole team. He really isn't making anybody that much better, because everybody passes him the puck. Crosby on the other hand, is a playmaker. This is just my opinion, but both of these guys will be competing for the Art Ross and the Hart Memorial Trophies for years to come.
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Postby Kicksave on Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:27 am

Would the Rangers be as good as they are without Henrik Lundquist?
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Postby yeltzen on Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:34 am

Kicksave wrote:Would the Rangers be as good as they are without Henrik Lundquist?

No way.
Would the Pens be as good as they are without Crosby? Uh, could they be any worse?
Would the Capitals be as good as they are without Ovechkin? No, but they wouldn't be that much worse either.
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Postby Kicksave on Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:36 am

yeltzen wrote:
Kicksave wrote:Would the Rangers be as good as they are without Henrik Lundquist?

No way.
Would the Pens be as good as they are without Crosby? Uh, could they be any worse?
Would the Capitals be as good as they are without Ovechkin? No, but they wouldn't be that much worse either.


Which team is winning right now?
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Postby netwolf on Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:03 am

PensInAz wrote:
netwolf wrote:I forget who said it but the whole "life's not fair, get a helmet" line of thinking applies.


Denis Leary on his "No Cure For Cancer" Album. ;-)


Thanks, I knew it was someone with his head on straight. :)
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Postby plasticbratt on Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:25 pm

It's a two-man race between Sid and Oven-chicken, but the points totals would overlook the likes of Dion Phaneuf or Henrik Lundquist. I don't think either of them could touch the top two, but you have to include them in the conversation.
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