td_ice wrote:Draftnik wrote:td_ice wrote:The stats don't lie. Armstrong and Hilbert scored more goals per game with Crosby than Palffy. That is a fact, not my opinion. Crosby lifted Armstrong past his AHL output and Hilbert much above his previous NHL output. Palffy was pathetic by comparison. He is a soft floater that does not have production worthy of a $4M-$5M salary.
Wow, I never said Palffy had better stats playing with Sid than anyone else.
In fact the only thing I said about Sid, was what Crosby himself said.
Wow, if you have a problem with that, take it up with Sid.
td_ice wrote:Ok, I just looked up Hilbert's and Armstrong's totals, and "by comparison" Palffy's pathetic stats.
I had no intentions or was not even curious about the comparison till you brought it up. So here are the stats.
Colby games, 47, goals 16, 40 points
Hilbert games, 19. goals 7, 18 points
Palffy games, 42, goals 11, 42 points
Hardly pathetic by comparison.
Not sure what you are talking about there.
Anyway, my point was that if Sid is cool with him, and enjoyed playing with Palffy, that is cool with me.
As far as his salary, I surely do not like it for next year, because hopefully Malkin will be here.
But for this year?? So what, we add $4 mill to the payroll, what does that do, put us only $10 mill below the cap??? And it is only prorated, so it will be less than that.
Draftnik wrote:I see no upside in adding a guy that was grossly overpaid to the payroll. He would be making $4M to $5M prorated for the balance of the 06/07 season and just as much if not more for the 07/08 season. I see no reason any GM with a sliver of brain would trade for him and the Pens would be stuck with another albatross.
Zscout wrote:The majority of Penguin fans would welcome Palffy back. It is good to see his injury is healing and that he may try to make a comeback.
For those that call Palffy lazy and a quitter, you are the same few posters that thrive on putting down players, all the time, every time. You do not speak for 99% of the real Penguin fans. A healthy Palffy would be a solid weapon or provide a good return from a playoff bound team.
netwolf wrote:Kicksave wrote:Is it just me or aren't you the one that is always putting down the Penguins?
He's just upset Rico Fata isn't here anymore.
Bowser wrote:Palffy doesn't have a signed contract, Pens would have to signoff on him being allowed to re-enter the NHL and that's about as much as the Pens care to get themselves involved with the quitter.
Not sure how much Los Angeles wants Palffy back since it was Dave Taylor that was snooping around and he's no longer the GM for the Kings.
Bowser wrote:Drafty - yes, right of first refusal.
Brode wrote:I think alot of people don't really understand the deal with Palffy's retirement. Players over 35 who retire are awarded their full contracts, and they count against the cap. Not only did Palffy retire due to injury, but he was also 33. This is to make sure that someone like... oh, I don't know, Tuomo Ruutu doesn't retire due to injury at 23 and cost his team millions for the next 5 years. It's when guys over 35, such as Malakhov or Mogilny, when they retire is when it becomes difficult. Also see the 100% buyout penalty of Domi in Toronto. Part of the CBA was that 37 year olds gave up bargaining power and 27 year olds gained an incredible amount.
Now, as for his injury. You'd have to be blind to think he wasn't injured. This is a guy who used to be able to score practically at will. And last year he puts up 11 goals in 42 games. You know something is wrong with his arms if this sniper is on pace for 20 goals in the New NHL, while being centered by the Kid. If you watched him, you knew that his shot was completely different than years before. He wasn't ripping shots from the right circle, all of the goals I can remember were slide-ins and garbage. He was hurt, in some shape or form. Whether or not his arm could've been fixed quicker or that he should have done it during the lockout is up to debate (though I can't see a player choosing surgery before they sign a contract).
Now, should we take him back? The beauty part of this situation is that he can't come back until February. Who knows what this team will look like in February? One of our kids could completely crap the bed, like many of them did last year. Pivko could be cold as a stone and be on his way back to Euroslavia before Thanksgiving. Ekman might be as crappy as Palffy was last year. Maybe all Army did this summer was eat hot dogs and play Elder Scrolls IV (I couldn't blame him). Shero doesn't have to decide this right now, he has until then. And what if he looks like the Palffy of old. Some teams will have to trade for playoff assets to boost their team... if we're in 7th or 8th, we'll have one lined up already.
For those who'll complain about his contract, realize that the 4.5 is only the number against the cap. Then remember that the cap has absolutely no relation to what we do. His contract, pro-rated for half a year's work, will be around 2 million, if he in fact makes the team. This is the reason why Carolina was able to take on Weight and Recchi's contracts... they didn't have to pay 9 million for them, they paid... I don't know, maybe 2.5? 3?
Lastly, I think we hold the reins here. If Palffy looks good enough to play a role here, then we can activate him. If Shero and Therrien don't want Palffy, we can look for someone who does and get a 2nd rounder or something out of him. If Palffy looks like crap and there's no buyers, I believe we can simply refuse to activate him. I doubt it's as simple as that, but I can't see the CBA allowing players to screw with teams that much. And if it does, I could see some alterations proposed in a couple years when it needs to be renewed.