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Postby Troy Loney on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:16 pm

who cares, we'll all be dead by 2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.
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Postby newarenanow on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:18 pm

Troy Loney wrote:who cares, we'll all be dead by 2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.


I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me.
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Postby HomerPenguin on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:19 pm

Kovy27 wrote:
Eismann wrote:
duke66 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I don't know how any of you sleep at night if you get worried about things like this.


...tell me about it, the ozone layer, global warming, weapons of mass destruction, extinction of animal-species, another beverly hills cop movie...i mean the list of worries is endless...and now this :wink: ...


Don't forget asteroids....Oh, the asteroids....


zomg! Armageddon. SAVE US BRUCE WILLIS!

NOOOOOO!!!! HES GONNA STAY BEHIND TO LET BLAND AFLAC LIVE!!!! DONT DO IT BRUCE!!!!
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Postby ulf on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:22 pm

Geno is going to leave.
Hossa will sign with Philly.
Sid will get in a car crash and die.
Whitney will live forever and ever :)
then the arena wont go through, and the pens will move to KC.

ugh life sucks :wink:
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Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:25 pm

My only worry is that they won't have a Wendy's in the arena. They should put one on 5th, the ones in town are too far away. I think there are two anyway.
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Postby Guinness on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:26 pm

Troy Loney wrote:who cares, we'll all be dead by 2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.


If they don't win a Cup by then, I'm gonna be pissed.
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Postby Troy Loney on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:33 pm

Guinness wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:who cares, we'll all be dead by 2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.


If they don't win a Cup by then, I'm gonna be pissed.


And dead, or living in chaos.
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Postby Guinness on Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:34 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
Guinness wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:who cares, we'll all be dead by 2012 according to the Mayan Calendar.


If they don't win a Cup by then, I'm gonna be pissed.


And dead, or living in chaos.


Already there, dude. :D
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Postby Kicksave on Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:32 pm

newarenanow wrote:
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Brian wrote:I cannot feel sorry for the Penguins if the price tag has gone up.

They held their fans hostage during arena negotiations and immediately raised ticket prices following the agreement. I am paying thirty percent more for my season tickets than I did only two years ago.

They are making tons of money and will continue making money when the new arena is built.

We are paying more for our necessities. The Penguins should pay more also.


holding you hostage??? i dont understand - are the Penguins forcing you to buy tickets at the new price?


Agreed. No one was held hostage. And yes, are necessities are going up, so if that cuts into the ticket budget, just don't buy them.


Brian got owned.

All I know is that there are 2000+ people waiting for him to drop his tickets. Go ahead, Brian. Do it. Don't let yourself get taken advantage of!
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Postby Guinness on Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:33 pm

Kicksave wrote:All I know is that there are 2000+ people waiting for him to drop his tickets. Go ahead, Brian. Do it. Don't let yourself get taken advantage of!


Yes please!
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Postby Corvidae on Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:38 pm

Eismann wrote:
duke66 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:I don't know how any of you sleep at night if you get worried about things like this.


...tell me about it, the ozone layer, global warming, weapons of mass destruction, extinction of animal-species, another beverly hills cop movie...i mean the list of worries is endless...and now this :wink: ...


Don't forget asteroids....Oh, the asteroids....

Oh no, I haven't forgotten them! They'll come when the arena is built just before the first game.
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Postby Sabres_Fan on Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:55 pm

Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???? HSBC/Midland arena was 127 million almost 10 years ago and is a very very nice arena.... Is construction inflation that much?? If it is Im sure they city of Buffalo is glad they built their arena in 96 and not now!!
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Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:03 pm

I don't know what gas prices where 10 years ago because I wasn't driving, but I know that 5 years ago it was half of what it is now.
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Postby newarenanow on Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:03 pm

Sabres_Fan wrote:Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???? HSBC/Midland arena was 127 million almost 10 years ago and is a very very nice arena.... Is construction inflation that much?? If it is Im sure they city of Buffalo is glad they built their arena in 96 and not now!!


That's part of the issue. I remember back in 2002 when they wanted to build it, I think the cost was going to be around $225-250M. That was only 5 years ago.
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Postby Corvidae on Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:05 pm

newarenanow wrote:
Sabres_Fan wrote:Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???? HSBC/Midland arena was 127 million almost 10 years ago and is a very very nice arena.... Is construction inflation that much?? If it is Im sure they city of Buffalo is glad they built their arena in 96 and not now!!


That's part of the issue. I remember back in 2002 when they wanted to build it, I think the cost was going to be around $225-250M. That was only 5 years ago.

The economy sucks. Can we just build it in Mexico and ship it here? Isn't that what Buffalo did?

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Postby czwalga on Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:22 pm

Corvidae wrote:
newarenanow wrote:
Sabres_Fan wrote:Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???? HSBC/Midland arena was 127 million almost 10 years ago and is a very very nice arena.... Is construction inflation that much?? If it is Im sure they city of Buffalo is glad they built their arena in 96 and not now!!


That's part of the issue. I remember back in 2002 when they wanted to build it, I think the cost was going to be around $225-250M. That was only 5 years ago.

The economy sucks. Can we just build it in Mexico and ship it here? Isn't that what Buffalo did?

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:lol:
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Postby pens#1 on Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:34 pm

Sabres_Fan wrote:Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???? HSBC/Midland arena was 127 million almost 10 years ago and is a very very nice arena.... Is construction inflation that much?? If it is Im sure they city of Buffalo is glad they built their arena in 96 and not now!!


i bet if you look at the value of your home 10 years ago and compare it to todays prices (even in a crappy market) you would still see more than a double in value- the time to build would have been 2003ish when interest rates were at rock bottom.
But we all know the great state of PA inst that smart - the best situation would be to get a free arena with someone else paying for it but we all know that is a pipedream........rolling eyes now
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Postby duke66 on Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:23 pm

Corvidae wrote:
newarenanow wrote:
Sabres_Fan wrote:Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???? HSBC/Midland arena was 127 million almost 10 years ago and is a very very nice arena.... Is construction inflation that much?? If it is Im sure they city of Buffalo is glad they built their arena in 96 and not now!!


That's part of the issue. I remember back in 2002 when they wanted to build it, I think the cost was going to be around $225-250M. That was only 5 years ago.

The economy sucks. Can we just build it in Mexico and ship it here? Isn't that what Buffalo did?

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...haha, i remember going to a game at marine midland (as it was called back in the day) right after this happened...they had portable video screens above the last row behind each net...
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Postby Bathgate on Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:01 pm

Construction is supposed to begin this summer, so by now some of the work must have been put out for bid by contractors, yet we have heard nothing. What is going on? Are the bids coming in too high?
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Postby jimjom on Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:03 pm

At first I thought something was wrong with newarenanow when I read the subject. :lol:
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Postby newarenanow on Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:03 pm

Bathgate wrote:Construction is supposed to begin this summer, so by now some of the work must have been put out for bid by contractors, yet we have heard nothing. What is going on? Are the bids coming in too high?


Crash, is that you???
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Postby newarenanow on Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:03 pm

jimjom wrote:At first I thought something was wrong with newarenanow when I read the subject. :lol:


Nah, I'm good and well!
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Postby Marshall Dylan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:14 pm

Sabres_Fan wrote:Heres my question..... Why did the Arena have to be 300-350 million???


Cup holders.
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Re: New Arena Worries

Postby Marshall Dylan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:15 pm

Bathgate wrote:Construction costs have apparently gone up dramatically in the last year due to rising oil prices and related factors. I seem to recall that public financing for the new arena will end when the price tag hits $310 million and that the Pens are responsible for costs above that figure. Will the Pens be willing or able to finance to $350 or $400 million? I doubt it. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop any day on this issue with a news item that the deal is in jeopardy and that the Pens are requesting a commitment of additional public funds. Can anybody with some inside knowledge of our arena deal allay my fears that the deal could collapse?


Are they able to do it? Do you know how much money Ron Burkle has?
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Postby ryan21081 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:04 am

Idoit40fans wrote:I don't know what gas prices where 10 years ago because I wasn't driving, but I know that 5 years ago it was half of what it is now.


I rememeber distinctly... in may 1997 I got my DL and I was 16. I remember looking for change in the couch to get 5 bucks worth of gas for the week. It was $0.97 a gallon at the time. My how times have changed...... Now you could probably drink $0.97 worth of gas and I dont think you would even get a buzz from it. :P
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