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Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:47 pm

Anyone else notice that the arena construction camera has been frozen for a couple of days?

Can anyone that works nearby give an update as to the progress?
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Postby newarenanow on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:49 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:Anyone else notice that the arena construction camera has been frozen for a couple of days?

Can anyone that works nearby give an update as to the progress?


I actually just drove by there on Saturday, and it look good. It's amazing how big of an area they cleared. They had more dirt moving machines there, so it looks like they are really going to start leveling out the place.
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Postby Eismann on Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:07 pm

Walked by it just now. Looks like they're gutting a couple back rooms off the church. The rest of the lot is looking good. No structures left.
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Postby Jasmine on Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:46 pm

The new arena is sooo exciting. Too bad that Don Barden's financial problems put a damper on things. News today said contractors walked off the job site for non-payment. More to walk off on Monday. Such a huge mistake to award the license to the most unprepared applicant. Oh well, no use going there at this point. :(
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Postby malkins-shoulder on Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:04 pm

yes my dads in charge of the casino job and all men and tools were taking of the job today...
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Postby tperko on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:11 pm

malkins-shoulder wrote:yes my dads in charge of the casino job and all men and tools were taking of the job today...


no just some of them

most contractors gave til monday for a resolution
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Postby pens#1 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:22 pm

Jasmine wrote:The new arena is sooo exciting. Too bad that Don Barden's financial problems put a damper on things. News today said contractors walked off the job site for non-payment. More to walk off on Monday. Such a huge mistake to award the license to the most unprepared applicant. Oh well, no use going there at this point. :(


the Pens staying is all that matters- that casino can never come to being and i could care less- the state screwed up in picking him and i hope they end up looking like bigger fools than they already are
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Postby DayWalker on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:50 am

SEE??? I knew it. "The fix" was in all along. There is a conspiracy between Big Oil, FCE, Eddie Rendell, Danny O., Franco Harris, the Rooneys, and Mark Madden to artificially inflate oil prices to assist in:

A.) Shipping the Penguins to Kansas City, Hamilton, Las Vegas, and Oklahoma City. (The team will play ten "home" games in each city to satisfy all parties outise of Pittsburgh.)

B.) Forcing the trade of Crosby and Malkin to the Flyers for Bobby Hill, Matt Bruback, and Jose Hernandez

C.) Getting Barry Obama elected

The FIX is in!!!

We need a rally in front of the arena.
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Postby DayWalker on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:52 am

ryan21081 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:I don't know what gas prices where 10 years ago because I wasn't driving, but I know that 5 years ago it was half of what it is now.


I rememeber distinctly... in may 1997 I got my DL and I was 16. I remember looking for change in the couch to get 5 bucks worth of gas for the week. It was $0.97 a gallon at the time. My how times have changed...... Now you could probably drink $0.97 worth of gas and I dont think you would even get a buzz from it. :P


You can if you reduce it to crystalline-rock form and smoke it.
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Postby PensBeerGeek on Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:16 am

Jasmine wrote:The new arena is sooo exciting. Too bad that Don Barden's financial problems put a damper on things. News today said contractors walked off the job site for non-payment. More to walk off on Monday. Such a huge mistake to award the license to the most unprepared applicant. Oh well, no use going there at this point. :(


Barden's contribution is guaranteed by the state, so it doesn't matter what happens in building the casino. Honestly, though, you have to admit it takes a certain type of real "genius" to end up in the red running casinos, doesn't it?

In hindsight, IoC not winning the slots license was the best thing that could have happened to the Penguins. Development on the current arena site is going to be worth a fortune (I've read that you will not find 20+ acres of undeveloped downtown-ish real estate anywhere in the country), and if Barden defaults then that land is all theirs!

One question, though....has the bond been issued yet?
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Postby Eismann on Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:30 am

PensBeerGeek wrote:
Jasmine wrote:The new arena is sooo exciting. Too bad that Don Barden's financial problems put a damper on things. News today said contractors walked off the job site for non-payment. More to walk off on Monday. Such a huge mistake to award the license to the most unprepared applicant. Oh well, no use going there at this point. :(


Barden's contribution is guaranteed by the state, so it doesn't matter what happens in building the casino. Honestly, though, you have to admit it takes a certain type of real "genius" to end up in the red running casinos, doesn't it?

In hindsight, IoC not winning the slots license was the best thing that could have happened to the Penguins. Development on the current arena site is going to be worth a fortune (I've read that you will not find 20+ acres of undeveloped downtown-ish real estate anywhere in the country), and if Barden defaults then that land is all theirs!

One question, though....has the bond been issued yet?


New Conspiracy!!!!! The Fix is indeed in!!!!!!!

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Postby Ginger on Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:50 am

Eismann wrote:
Don't forget asteroids....Oh, the asteroids....


Don't forget Britney Spears sister Jamie Lynn having a baby either. Maddie Briann. Can this country support another paparazzi frenzy? :wink:
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Postby Bathgate on Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:44 pm

newarenanow wrote:Papers are signed, and the Pens agreed to pay any cost overruns over X amount of dollars.

Also, I'm sure when they signed the contracts, some prices were locked in at the current rate. That is how many contracts of this nature work.

I'm not worried at all.



The true cost of the new arena cannot be known until the major construction contract bids come in. The bids will reflect current construction costs, which have gone up dramatically and unexpectedly in a short period. That plus the nearly 2-month silence about the new arena from the Pens and the Sports and Exhibition Authority has me quite worried that something is amiss.
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Postby newarenanow on Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:53 pm

Bathgate wrote:
newarenanow wrote:Papers are signed, and the Pens agreed to pay any cost overruns over X amount of dollars.

Also, I'm sure when they signed the contracts, some prices were locked in at the current rate. That is how many contracts of this nature work.

I'm not worried at all.



The true cost of the new arena cannot be known until the major construction contract bids come in. The bids will reflect current construction costs, which have gone up dramatically and unexpectedly in a short period. That plus the nearly 2-month silence about the new arena from the Pens and the Sports and Exhibition Authority has me quite worried that something is amiss.


:roll:

Work is being done over there. Do you want the Pens to report every week on the progress of the arena. Plus, if there was an issue, I'm sure it would have hit the news (ie. the casino troubles).

As for the cost, there are some very smart people in charge. I'm sure they did their homework and factored in scenarios where costs would rise.

Quit trying to make something out of nothing.
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Postby spi on Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:36 pm

One of the major criteria in awarding the license was so that this kind of BS would not happen. The gaming board is at fault for turning a blind eye to Bardens financial strength or lack thereof. Its not like this is the first financial struggle the guy has had. IN the end the this will be covered by tax dollars due to fast eddie and the gaming board.
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Postby Jasmine on Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:13 pm

Wow, some people will jump on the bandwagon for anything these days. Guess it's just nervousness about July 1 coming up?!!
Anyway, all I said was that the PA Gaming Board awarded the license to the "least prepared" applicant. BOTH of the other plans were much more solid, both professionally and financially. Anyone who can dispute that statement with facts, please post now. Otherwise, please save your sarcasm for a time when it might be funnier. Sorry to sound b*****, but where did the smart remarks come from when most of us just love the Pens? :(
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Postby Bathgate on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:28 pm

newarenanow wrote:
Bathgate wrote:
newarenanow wrote:Papers are signed, and the Pens agreed to pay any cost overruns over X amount of dollars.

Also, I'm sure when they signed the contracts, some prices were locked in at the current rate. That is how many contracts of this nature work.

I'm not worried at all.



The true cost of the new arena cannot be known until the major construction contract bids come in. The bids will reflect current construction costs, which have gone up dramatically and unexpectedly in a short period. That plus the nearly 2-month silence about the new arena from the Pens and the Sports and Exhibition Authority has me quite worried that something is amiss.


:roll:

Work is being done over there. Do you want the Pens to report every week on the progress of the arena. Plus, if there was an issue, I'm sure it would have hit the news (ie. the casino troubles).

As for the cost, there are some very smart people in charge. I'm sure they did their homework and factored in scenarios where costs would rise.

Quit trying to make something out of nothing.



The ongoing work is site preparation, making the land "clean" for groundbreaking and the start of construction. It is not labor intensive and does not require the purchase of materials, i.e., steel and concrete. The site preparation contract was awarded months ago.

They surely did factor inflation into the cost estimate, but it is unlikely that they assumed the extraordinary rate of inflation that has occurred in the last year.
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Postby newarenanow on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:33 pm

Bathgate wrote:
newarenanow wrote:
Bathgate wrote:
newarenanow wrote:Papers are signed, and the Pens agreed to pay any cost overruns over X amount of dollars.

Also, I'm sure when they signed the contracts, some prices were locked in at the current rate. That is how many contracts of this nature work.

I'm not worried at all.



The true cost of the new arena cannot be known until the major construction contract bids come in. The bids will reflect current construction costs, which have gone up dramatically and unexpectedly in a short period. That plus the nearly 2-month silence about the new arena from the Pens and the Sports and Exhibition Authority has me quite worried that something is amiss.


:roll:

Work is being done over there. Do you want the Pens to report every week on the progress of the arena. Plus, if there was an issue, I'm sure it would have hit the news (ie. the casino troubles).

As for the cost, there are some very smart people in charge. I'm sure they did their homework and factored in scenarios where costs would rise.

Quit trying to make something out of nothing.



The ongoing work is site preparation, making the land "clean" for groundbreaking and the start of construction. It is not labor intensive and does not require the purchase of materials, i.e., steel and concrete. The site preparation contract was awarded months ago.

They surely did factor inflation into the cost estimate, but it is unlikely that they assumed the extraordinary rate of inflation that has occurred in the last year.


Fine. The Pens are moving to KC.
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Postby Kovy27 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:36 pm

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Postby bill from turtle creek on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:41 pm

Well, at least we won't care as much about Hossa, Malone, and Orpik leaving if the whole team goes to K.C.
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Postby newarenanow on Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:49 pm

bill from turtle creek wrote:Well, at least we won't care as much about Hossa, Malone, and Orpik leaving if the whole team goes to K.C.


That's why noone is signing. They don't want to move to KC.
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