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NHL contracts are guaranteed against playing injuries. That is a fact, not my opinion.
He filed retirement papers with the NHL that had nothing to do with an injury. Again another fact.
A corpse could score 30 goals riding shotgun with Crosby
also have enough heart to not let Hatcher cross check him in the face or Kovalchuk slew foot him into the boards.
The Pens wouldn't get to have Palffy practice with the NHL team to determine whether or not they wanted to "activate" him.
If the Pens don't reinstate Palffy's contract he would be free to sign with any NHL team. He doesn't need relief from an amended CBA.
Ron` wrote:Put anyone on Crosby's wing short of Rico Fata and they are 30 goal man for a heck of alot less than Palffy.
Brode wrote:NHL contracts are guaranteed against playing injuries. That is a fact, not my opinion.
I'm not too sure about that. Didn't Malakhov retire due to a playing injury?He filed retirement papers with the NHL that had nothing to do with an injury. Again another fact.
For one, there's no jury to impress, so you don't have to act like a dick to me about this. Just talk like people. If he simply filed retirement papers, maybe you can explain to me why guys in retirement limbo like Malakhov and Mogilny are killing New Jersey. Because as far as I had been explained, the rule was stated so teams wouldn't go after 40 year olds with 5 year contracts.A corpse could score 30 goals riding shotgun with Crosby
And Palffy couldn't. I can't believe that a guy like Palffy didn't score goals because he didn't want to. No matter how much I hear about how Palffy has no heart, it cannot convince me that his ennui built to the level that it made Palffy hate scoring goals. This is a guy who kissed a guy after scoring a goal. The fact that he couldn't indicates something is physically wrong with him. Don't treat every Slav like they're Jagr and they have the ability to just shut down if someone makes fun of their hair.also have enough heart to not let Hatcher cross check him in the face or Kovalchuk slew foot him into the boards.
Well now you're just riding Palffy for no reason. Do you actually believe it's Palffy's responsibility to go after thugs that pick on Crosby? We didn't sign him to protect Crosby. Has Palffy ever been in a scrap? You're dressing down a player for lacking skills that he has no business having. If Palffy was Jarome Iginla, I doubt he would've been signed for 4.5 million. Maybe you should ride CP for bringing in a fighter who gets his jaw broken in practically his first fight.The Pens wouldn't get to have Palffy practice with the NHL team to determine whether or not they wanted to "activate" him.
I never said he would. In fact, I would doubt he would cross the Atlantic unless he had a job. That doesn't mean we aren't going to see what he skates like, see if he can skate. See if he can shoot, more importantly.If the Pens don't reinstate Palffy's contract he would be free to sign with any NHL team. He doesn't need relief from an amended CBA.
I think you misunderstood what I said in that last paragraph.
shawnlesky wrote:Ron` wrote:Put anyone on Crosby's wing short of Rico Fata and they are 30 goal man for a heck of alot less than Palffy.
Why do you assume he'll cost what he did? He can likely be signed to an incentive-laden one-year deal.
Remember, he won't have the same three year deal he had; that's been nullified.
None of that applies to Palffy and I have no idea why you are injecting Mogilny/Malakhov into this discussion because they have nothing to do with it.
Jagr is a Czech, not a Slav.
Opponents took liberties with Crosby all season. That is a fact, not my opinion.
If you think watching Palffy skate and shoot in some practice scenario in Europe would indicate he is worth paying $4.5M in 07/08 especially in light of the fact he would be 35 and not played a full NHL season in 4 years then we obviously agree to disagree.
Brode wrote:None of that applies to Palffy and I have no idea why you are injecting Mogilny/Malakhov into this discussion because they have nothing to do with it.
Because I was confused about the situation, and if you didn't come in here guns blazing, it might have been explained without the grandstanding and the penis-waving.Jagr is a Czech, not a Slav.
Actually, he is a Slav. He's not a Slovak. But he is a Slav. I'm referring to the region (since I wasn't sure of Palffy's nationality and unwilling to look them up), not the exact country. Czechs and Slovaks are Slavs, much like how Finns and Swedes are Scandanavians.Opponents took liberties with Crosby all season. That is a fact, not my opinion.
Okay, for one. Stop saying 'that is a fact, not my opinion'. Who are you showing off to with that? For two, who ever denied that Crosby was taken advantage of? I applauded Shero's moves to bring in guys like Ruutu and Petro. Last year I thought it was good we had Roy, but then he broke his jaw and became a 'skill player' for the rest of the season. But to honestly believe that Palffy should be responsible for taking down Derian Hatcher after he rearranges Sid's teeth is just ... it's... it's incredibly disingenuous.If you think watching Palffy skate and shoot in some practice scenario in Europe would indicate he is worth paying $4.5M in 07/08 especially in light of the fact he would be 35 and not played a full NHL season in 4 years then we obviously agree to disagree.
Seeing a guy practice is no way to determine if he's capable of playing? Especially a guy who has proven he can play at a high level? Do you think Philadelphia is going to require Primeau to play with the Phantoms as proof that he can still play? No. They're going to watch him do drills, skate, shoot, do several scrums. And then they'll make the call. Practices count, not just games. That's why training camp comes before pre-season.
Draftnik wrote:shawnlesky wrote:Ron` wrote:Put anyone on Crosby's wing short of Rico Fata and they are 30 goal man for a heck of alot less than Palffy.
Why do you assume he'll cost what he did? He can likely be signed to an incentive-laden one-year deal.
Remember, he won't have the same three year deal he had; that's been nullified.
The Pens would retain his rights under his previous deal. They wouldn't have carte blanche to sign him to any deal of their liking. If they didn't reinstate his previous deal he likely would be an UFA. He is 34 years old, the Pens would not retain his exclusive rights unless they had him signed to a contract.
shawnlesky wrote:I disagree. The Penguins would have all the leverage without question as they could block his entry into the NHL until a later date if he didn't agree to their terms.
There's no way they'd reinstate his former contract; never, unless Shero is a complete idiot. They can negotiate a one year deal full of incentives and then he'd be a UFA after its conclusion.
They could also trade his rights.
The big thing is that they hold his rights and he can't enter the NHL but through them. Of course, he could wait longer and it'd be out of their hands, but he's stuck for the time being, and it's very much their ballgame.
Brode wrote:You're twisting the argument. You said that we wouldn't be able to tell if Palffy is capable of playing by watching him practice. I obviously disagree, as that's how the Flyers will tell if Primeau is capable of playing. It has absolutely nothing to do with contracts or who is paying them. You're changing the argument.
Draftnik wrote:Brode wrote:You're twisting the argument. You said that we wouldn't be able to tell if Palffy is capable of playing by watching him practice. I obviously disagree, as that's how the Flyers will tell if Primeau is capable of playing. It has absolutely nothing to do with contracts or who is paying them. You're changing the argument.
Actually it has everything to do with contracts and who is paying them. Primeau will get paid regardless of whether or not he plays. That is because he went on IR with a legitimate injury, unlike Palffy. He also will practice with the Flyers against other NHL players if he tries to come back before the Flyers decide on activating him because he has a valid NHL contract. The Flyers, Primeau and the insurance company could probably work out some kind of trial period as Brian Berard worked out with the company that held his permanent disability policy when he originally came back from his eye injury.
Palffy on the other hand can't practice with the Pens or any other team unless he is under contract. The Pens would have to determine if they wanted to pay him based on skating and shooting, not a full contract NHL practice. There is a big difference since the Pens would be assuming significant payroll, even if it is pro-rated and it may very well be for a full season in 07/08.
I'm not surprised you don't understand the distinction from the Primeau situation. Stop injecting nonsense about Primeau, Mogilny, and Malakhov into an already nonsensical situation.
bh wrote:Dudes or Dudettes, you both are talking two different languages here. You are both making points that are going over the other persons head. Drafty, all Brode is saying here is that by watching a player practice you can tell if he's "healthy" which is why he refers to Primeau. He is not talking about Primeau's contract or saying that Palffy is in the same boat as Primeau other than the "fact" that they are comming off injuries. You are being awfully rude in a situation where you don't have to be and in many instances above you are changing the argument.
conforto45 wrote:just adds to a team that could be ready to explode on offense. dont know where you could put him.. if he would be willing to accept a lower lined role, then bring the guy back
KG wrote:I am sure it's total bs. But a blogger has a bit on palffy today.
http://brochuishockey.blogspot.com/
Ziggy Palffy is working out regularly and hoping to return to the NHL. Pittsburgh owns his rights, but he won't be ready until January.
Something to talk about...
Jim wrote:Well, if we have injuries and are in a decent spot in the standings... play him. Otherwise move him. At that point in the year I am sure you could get decent return for an offensive forward like that. We could move him for a prospect, or replace the draft picks that Shero moved this summer. THat would basically make all the pickups this summer free, lol.
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