Tampa Re-acquires 3rd round pick from Pens???

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Postby pens#1 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:16 pm

Shero will not rush a player - proof of that was Letang last season, Letang thought he was a lock and had a poor training camp and found himself in WBS with GoGo till he proved himself
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Postby Pitts on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:17 pm

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JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.

Man, bse, that doesn't say a whole lot about Finnish players then, does it? :wink:
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Postby ffemtreed on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:19 pm

columbia wrote:
bse wrote:
JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.


Yep.
And outside of Staal, he'd be a better fit with Malkin and Sykora than any of the alternatives.


I don't see him taking Malones spot on that line. If he replaces anyone it would be Sykora. The other side of the malkin / sykora line need a body that is going to hit someone and control the puck in the corners, not another perimeter/ get in open space and snipe kinda player.
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Postby columbia on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:21 pm

ffemtreed wrote:
columbia wrote:
bse wrote:
JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.


Yep.
And outside of Staal, he'd be a better fit with Malkin and Sykora than any of the alternatives.


I don't see him taking Malones spot on that line. If he replaces anyone it would be Sykora. The other side of the malkin / sykora line need a body that is going to hit someone and control the puck in the corners, not another perimeter/ get in open space and snipe kinda player.


I'd certainly be ok w/ him on Crosby's line.
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Postby pens#1 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:24 pm

if we can get him for a 3rd round pick then why not - give it a try and if it doesnt work we could use him to reacquire a pick or as part of a package deal (like he was last year in the Richards trade)
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Postby stefanh on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:29 pm

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1 ... works.html

according to one of Proteaus sources SHero wants nothing to do with the offer sheet and therefor isn't talking to Tampa about it.
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Postby Ironhorse on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:32 pm

MO is coming back!
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Postby Henry Hank on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:38 pm

stefanh wrote:http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/17692-Multiple-sources-confirm-Meszaros-to-Lightning-deal-in-the-works.html

according to one of Proteaus sources SHero wants nothing to do with the offer sheet and therefor isn't talking to Tampa about it.


That's very very interesting and pretty much kills any ideas people have about the Pens going after RFAs. That Shero allegedly wants nothing to do with offer sheets tells me that other GMs don't either. Shero potentially creates an enemy in Bryan Murray by going along with Tampa's idea and also other GMs around the league who are against them.
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Postby Pitts on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:40 pm

Henry Hank wrote:
stefanh wrote:http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/17692-Multiple-sources-confirm-Meszaros-to-Lightning-deal-in-the-works.html

according to one of Proteaus sources SHero wants nothing to do with the offer sheet and therefor isn't talking to Tampa about it.


That's very very interesting and pretty much kills any ideas people have about the Pens going after RFAs. That Shero allegedly wants nothing to do with offer sheets tells me that other GMs don't either. Shero potentially creates an enemy in Bryan Murray by going along with Tampa's idea and also other GMs around the league who are against them.

Understandable considering Jordan Staal's status after this season.
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Postby ffemtreed on Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:45 pm

Understandable considering Jordan Staal's status after this season.


It only takes one renegade to foul this up. He might stop Bryan Murry from making an offer sheet to Jordan, but what about those whackos out west or even the flyers.

GM's need to start planning their strategy around offer sheets instead of just playing by the old code of don't ask don't tell mentality.
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Postby Pipes Hochuli on Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:03 pm

Pitts wrote:
bse wrote:
JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.

Man, bse, that doesn't say a whole lot about Finnish players then, does it? :wink:


maybe he means Olli
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Postby bhaw on Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:13 pm

ffemtreed wrote:
Understandable considering Jordan Staal's status after this season.


It only takes one renegade to foul this up. He might stop Bryan Murry from making an offer sheet to Jordan, but what about those whackos out west or even the flyers.

GM's need to start planning their strategy around offer sheets instead of just playing by the old code of don't ask don't tell mentality.


There's not much you can do besides get your guys signed early. Making enemies doesn't help the situation, so I can understand why Shero wouldn't want to get involved in this situation. There is no way to plan around a team putting an offer sheet out beyond signing the players ahead of time, which is clearly what he has been doing up to this point.

Staal is hard because I doubt the team wants to commit big money to Staal if what we saw last year is a closer reflection to what we can expect in the future. Staal will try to get big money because he thinks he can play more like his rookie year consistently. No planning in the world can keep that from happening, and the team would be stupid to just give in to his commands at this point in time.
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Postby bringitonhome on Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:28 pm

Ironhorse wrote:MO is coming back!


and might as well get recchi back too.
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Postby KG on Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:49 pm

I don't care what Bryan Murray thinks about RFA's....Bottom line is Shero works for the Penguins. If Tampa is willing to give up a nice asset for their 3rd round pick back then Shero has the duty to make the deal...

If it makes the penguins better, the deal needs to be done...
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Postby Bob McKenzie on Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:53 pm

I like Jokinen a lot. It would be a steal if we could get him for the 3rd. He's awesome on shootouts and would make trading Satan easier during the year (to bring in someone on the wing for Sid or a 3rd line center if Staal moves up).
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Postby stefanh on Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:08 pm

This story ends here...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=247902& ... Story_main

The Ottawa Senators have traded defenceman Andrej Meszaros to the Tampa Bay Lightning for defencemen Filip Kuba, Alexandre Picard and a first round pick (previously acquired from San Jose)
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Postby Guido on Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:17 pm

ffemtreed wrote:If jokinen does come to us, imagine our shootout lineup.

Satan
Jokinen
Crosby

Now that is lights out!


Don't even worry about it, Pens still have Kris LeGame.

By the way, now that I see that deal...wow. That's huge! Looks like this season is right around the corner.
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Postby MicP on Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:56 pm

stefanh wrote:This story ends here...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=247902& ... Story_main

The Ottawa Senators have traded defenceman Andrej Meszaros to the Tampa Bay Lightning for defencemen Filip Kuba, Alexandre Picard and a first round pick (previously acquired from San Jose)

Does that make this a NPR thread? Considering Shero wasn't interesed from the start and no Penguins were involved.
Moderators please move this thread and all of its speculation and pipe dreams.
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Postby KG on Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:20 pm

That's a crumby return by Murray imo...
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Postby KinCroz on Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:29 pm

I wouldn't want to upset Cryin' Bryan either. Just look at the potential trades that could be made at the trade deadline if Ottawa continues to implode.

Plus, the Pens have a bunch of RFA's who will be coming over the next few years. He can't make enemies who would go after Letang and Staal.
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Postby mjg on Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:17 pm

KG wrote:I don't care what Bryan Murray thinks about RFA's....Bottom line is Shero works for the Penguins. If Tampa is willing to give up a nice asset for their 3rd round pick back then Shero has the duty to make the deal...

If it makes the penguins better, the deal needs to be done...


Thinking long term, it might be in Shero's best interest to not piss off other GM's by enabling a RFA signing to move forward. By taking this stance, he could ensure some other GM's will respect him enough to not poach on our RFA's. I'm with Shero here. It's not like any of the rumored assets were that great anyway.
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Postby JS© on Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:17 pm

bse wrote:
JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.


It's from almost 2 seasons ago, but it's probably one of my favorite goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJbI-nITjIM
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Postby Malkin0017 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:05 pm

DocEmrick wrote:
St.Louis would be amazing in Ottawa


Lol. That's pretty good considering the article is about the Pens/Lightning. Unless he misread "Sens." That or he wants to move the Blues to the famed Canadian capital.


Image

"Ive got the Blues!!!" :lol:
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Postby FallenHero96 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:00 am

JS© wrote:
bse wrote:
JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.


It's from almost 2 seasons ago, but it's probably one of my favorite goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJbI-nITjIM


Too bad everyone associates that move with Forsberg... Lemieux actually did it first in the all star game competition at the arena.
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Postby JoseCuervo on Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:01 am

Pipes Hochuli wrote:
Pitts wrote:
bse wrote:
JoseCuervo wrote:I really hope we don't add jokinen. He's not a first line guy and it will make ice time for quality 3rd-4th line players scarce.


Jokinen is one of the best Finnish players right now.

Man, bse, that doesn't say a whole lot about Finnish players then, does it? :wink:


maybe he means Olli


I hope so cause filppula is better right off the top of my head and I don't know many finnish players.

Have you seen Jokinen play? Very unimpressive. Decent shot and fast, but gets thrown around way too easily. Not top six quality either. We don't need a shootout specialist.
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