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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Va Beach Pens Fan on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:02 pm

Cojac wasn't the only one who heard it...

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... p=17530810
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby farnham16 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:04 pm

Bowser wrote:Kovalchuk isn't a good wing option for Crosby. Pens need to find strong wingers who can battle in the corners, skate, responsible defensively, and fire a good one-timer. You know someone like Marian Hossa (you may have heard of him... oh well).


The Pens need wingers who will shoot, score, and shoot some more.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:05 pm

Va Beach Pens Fan wrote:Cojac wasn't the only one who heard it...

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... p=17530810


Failed for me.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Va Beach Pens Fan on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:09 pm

Failed for me at first also, try again....
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Guido on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:10 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
purelebo84 wrote:
pens#1 wrote:what is the over/under on how many pages this thread will go to?

8.5


over.


I'll take the over and 5 bucks on Racchi's Rug to still be longer.

As far as Kovachoo and the theorized trade....I like it. I've accepted that Staal will more than likely be traded to get value in return before he receives a huge RFA offer. So a 1st rounder, Staal, and a prospect/warm body? Definitely not Letang or any of our other offensive d-men. For one, the Pens are depleted on the blue line and for two they cannot trade players that are going to fill the void down the road when Gonchar retires/gets moved/goes down hill.

The only piece of thsi puzzle that I dislike is only having Kovachoo for 2 years. That would not be worth it whatsoever. The whole point of this trade would be to have that elite player under contract for 4 or 5 years, at least.

Assuming the Pens would acquire Ilya, I would rather see him with Malkin. While he would tear it up just as much with Crosby, I think Sid has the ability to bring more out of average players.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:12 pm

I would try hard to get the deal done w/out giving up the 1st round pick..After moving Espo and a 1st for Hossa, the pens have to be careful and make sure they keep up the reserve list...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:20 pm

i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:21 pm

pens#1 wrote:i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas


Seriously, do you think GM's check around to see what the fans ideas are etc?
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:21 pm

KG wrote:
pens#1 wrote:i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas


Seriously, do you think GM's check around to see what the fans ideas are etc?


How do you think the Lightning made their decisions this offseason?
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby SolidSnake on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:29 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
KG wrote:
pens#1 wrote:i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas


Seriously, do you think GM's check around to see what the fans ideas are etc?


How do you think the Lightning made their decisions this offseason?

:lol:
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby cojac on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:31 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
KG wrote:
pens#1 wrote:i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas


Seriously, do you think GM's check around to see what the fans ideas are etc?


How do you think the Lightning made their decisions this offseason?

Zing
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby cojac on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:32 pm

KG wrote:
pens#1 wrote:i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas


Seriously, do you think GM's check around to see what the fans ideas are etc?

I'm sure they look, everyone is curious.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Tinker on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:34 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
KG wrote:
pens#1 wrote:i hope RS is on here listening to our ideas


Seriously, do you think GM's check around to see what the fans ideas are etc?


How do you think the Lightning made their decisions this offseason?


the question should have been "good GM's." And the answer should be no.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:36 pm

the funny thing is RS is probably thinking those idiots want to trade away a youngster with upside
Mario is probably thinking - what an idea Crosby + IllyK would be great
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby purelebo84 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:45 pm

pens#1 wrote:the funny thing is RS is probably thinking those idiots want to trade away a youngster with upside
Mario is probably thinking - what an idea Crosby + IllyK would be great

Staal's ceiling is not even close to what Kovalchuk is right now.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Eismann on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:51 pm

pens#1 wrote:the funny thing is RS is probably thinking those idiots want to trade away a youngster with upside


See: Esposito, A.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Pitts on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:53 pm

Kicksave wrote:No thanks on Kovy.

For reals?? You serious?

Heck, if he doesn't seem to click with Crosby, he would be lightning on the ice with Malkin and Sykora! No way would I pass on a deal for the 2nd best sniper in the league.

Kovalchuk/Crosby/Satan
Fedtenko/Malkin/Sykora
simply sick, sick offense.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby booboo on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:53 pm

SolidSnake wrote:It's just funny cause some want Gaborik and others says he's too injury prone. Now Kovalchuk gets brought up and some are still finding things to complain about that. Well who's left out there? To keep on bringing up Hossa is ridiculous he's gone never to return and not only that I think some are over estimating what he brought to this team.

I remember some complaining that he wasn't doing much at times.


So he would fit perfectly in the current mold of Penguins play.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Va Beach Pens Fan on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:56 pm

I'd be shocked to see RS trade away a #1 pick three years in a row (including Espo).....
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:00 pm

number #1 picks are great but this team is built to win now - who knows if BOTH Sid and Malkin will be here in 6 years, if the Pens had 10 years to just sit back and wait i would say no way but that isnt how the NHL runs these days. I personally dont hope we sit around and wait for Staal to mature - especially considering he could get a crazy offer sheet and then we either match or get picks that wont help us now either, just imagine if he gets a 5+mill offer sheet
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Easton on Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:00 pm

Eismann wrote:
pens#1 wrote:the funny thing is RS is probably thinking those idiots want to trade away a youngster with upside


See: Esposito, A.


Esposito's stock was/has been dropping fast. I'm not sure how much of an upside he really had. He'll play in the NHL, but I don't think he's going to make a big impact. I could be eating a fat dish of crow in 3 years though.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Bob McKenzie on Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:02 pm

I said a few weeks back when everyone was talking about Gaborik that a trade for Kovalchuk made more sense.

If anyone is saying Kovalchuk isn't the type of player Crosby needs, you're mistaken. I've watched a lot of Kovalchuk. I think he would be a much better fit for Crosby than Hossa was. Hossa is a great forechecker and backchecker that can make plays with the puck. The MAJOR difference between Hossa and Kovalchuk is that Kovalchuk is a finisher, think goal first sniper and Hossa isn't.

There was a game that Atlanta played last week (can't remember who) but Kovalchuk looked defeated like there's nothing else he can do in Atlanta. It's a team that needs to rebuild and he's never complained about getting out of there. That said, he's a $6.4 million cap hit and is signed through next year. He would probably love playing here. If we're going to make a deal for him, it should be something like:

Staal
Sydor
1st or 2nd round pick

for

Kovalchuk

I can't see the Pens involving Letang in the deal. Atlanta really doesn't have anyone else on their roster that makes sense for us (unless you take on Kozlov but he's 36 - but can still play). Bringing Army back doesn't do anything but clutter up the 3rd/4th line players we already have.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:02 pm

Pens went to the Cup last year - the Hossa trade was a success
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Easton on Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:02 pm

pens#1 wrote:number #1 picks are great but this team is built to win now - who knows if BOTH Sid and Malkin will be here in 6 years, if the Pens had 10 years to just sit back and wait i would say no way but that isnt how the NHL runs these days. I personally dont hope we sit around and wait for Staal to mature - especially considering he could get a crazy offer sheet and then we either match or get picks that wont help us now either, just imagine if he gets a 5+mill offer sheet


This team is built to win now and in the future. If Crosby and Malkin are not here in 6 years, it will mean one of two things: They do not want to be here whatsoever, which from what we've seen, is not the case. Or it will mean that the Penguins Management utterly failed.

I think they'll be here in 6 years. I don't think a first round pick is untouchable, but they aren't something you want to be tossing out every year to win now. Because toss a few first rounders out there, and you'll find yourself accepting first rounders and dishing off a Crosby/Malkin to rebuild.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby tonysoprano on Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:04 pm

I'm sure they're leaping at the opportunity to take on Sydor.
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