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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby TheHammer24 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:07 am

KG wrote:LA could get Kovalchuk easily and Atlanta wouldn't have to take back any salary dumps..

Frolov, Hickey, prospect for Kovalchuk would get it done I'm sure...


Why would LA trade for Kovalchuk? They're not ready yet to trade Frolov and make a run at the cup.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby André on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:07 am

cerp66 wrote:take satan out of that lineup (he's part of the rumor) and insert cooke on line 3. then put armstrong on line 4 and rotate goddard and nobody beats the biz.

then that's actaully really really solid top to bottom.

...still can't give away letang AND staal tho.


Then you don't get Kovalchuk.
Remember....the team that gets the best player, gets the best of the deal.


True there.

People would forget Staal after Kovalchuck's first hattrick and Letang once Whitney returns.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby AlexPKeaton on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:10 am

cojac wrote:Ex TB GM Jay Feaster said the Pens and Thrashers have started talking about a "Major Trade", he didn't elaborate. I will :D

Pens Get:
Kovalchuk $7.5M
Armstrong $1.2M
----------$8,700,000
Thrashers Get:
#1 Pick
Staal $2.2M
Letang $560K
Satan $3.5M
-------$6,260,000




AGAINST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:11 am

TheHammer24 wrote:
KG wrote:LA could get Kovalchuk easily and Atlanta wouldn't have to take back any salary dumps..

Frolov, Hickey, prospect for Kovalchuk would get it done I'm sure...


Why would LA trade for Kovalchuk? They're not ready yet to trade Frolov and make a run at the cup.


They reportedly have interest in Gaborik as well...

I'm just saying they have the cheaper chips that could get the deal done...LA is getting closer to turning the corner...Not a cup contender, but it would be great for that franchise to get a star player again...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:12 am

Don't they have Kopitar? Brown is lesser known, but still what i'd consider a star.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby AlexPKeaton on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:13 am

AlexPKeaton wrote:
cojac wrote:Ex TB GM Jay Feaster said the Pens and Thrashers have started talking about a "Major Trade", he didn't elaborate. I will :D

Pens Get:
Kovalchuk $7.5M
Armstrong $1.2M
----------$8,700,000
Thrashers Get:
#1 Pick
Staal $2.2M
Letang $560K
Satan $3.5M
-------$6,260,000




AGAINST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Actually, now that I think about it some more that wouldn't be too bad lol. We'd actually be dumping salary in that deal since Staal is going to make alot more than 2.2M next year.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:14 am

nobody cares about the Kings - this is a Penguins board and posters are talking about ways to make them better
i never understood why some dont like to talk about trade rumors
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Pitts on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:14 am

KG wrote:
DelPen wrote:Satan (or Sykora), Staal, Gogo and a 1st for Kovalchuk and ATL's 2nd.

Kovalchuk-Crosby-Kennedy
Tank-Malkin-Sykora (or Satan)
Cooke-Talbot-Dupuis
Biz-Zigo-Godard


I'd that that no questions asked...You think Atlanta would accept that?

I really, really don't think you have to throw Satan or Sykora in there. You'd be losing one goal scorer to add another. We need both.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:15 am

I care about my Kings, the only Western Conference team that I can really say I like. Only one of 3 teams that I can say I like really.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:16 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Don't they have Kopitar? Brown is lesser known, but still what i'd consider a star.


Agreed. Kopitar is a budding star. But bringing a Kovalchuk type of player to LA would be huge for them. They need to start taking on Anaheim again....

Yes, LA is my other team I follow...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:18 am

i have a call in to Ray Shero...waiting for a return call about the trade
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:20 am

pens#1 wrote:nobody cares about the Kings - this is a Penguins board and posters are talking about ways to make them better
i never understood why some dont like to talk about trade rumors


I was just stating that other teams will have interest in Kovalchuk, and they could get him without making Atlanta take back any salary (Sydor, barf)...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Nizzy on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:30 am

I'm one of the biggest Staal supporters on this board.

With that being said, this trade would be worth it to hear MT say KovaCHOO every night!
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Mosby on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:36 am

KG wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Don't they have Kopitar? Brown is lesser known, but still what i'd consider a star.


Agreed. Kopitar is a budding star. But bringing a Kovalchuk type of player to LA would be huge for them. They need to start taking on Anaheim again....

Yes, LA is my other team I follow...


They would be better off using resources to shore up the defense and goaltending if they want to make a move now toward winning the division. They are fine up front but the D and goaltending is downright terrible.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby DelPen on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:42 am

Pitts wrote:
KG wrote:
DelPen wrote:Satan (or Sykora), Staal, Gogo and a 1st for Kovalchuk and ATL's 2nd.

Kovalchuk-Crosby-Kennedy
Tank-Malkin-Sykora (or Satan)
Cooke-Talbot-Dupuis
Biz-Zigo-Godard


I'd that that no questions asked...You think Atlanta would accept that?

I really, really don't think you have to throw Satan or Sykora in there. You'd be losing one goal scorer to add another. We need both.


They aren't being used with our two best centers now and ATL would need someone to attmept to score goals. It also cuts some salary.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Sams_Dog on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:43 am

NO...NO...NO...NO...NO...NO!!
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Pitts on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:45 am

Sams_Dog wrote:NO...NO...NO...NO...NO...NO!!

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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:45 am

Pitts wrote:
Sams_Dog wrote:NO...NO...NO...NO...NO...NO!!

?

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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby shmenguin on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:46 am

cerp66 wrote:Then you don't get Kovalchuk.
Remember....the team that gets the best player, gets the best of the deal.


you're right, kris beech was probably the best of the jagr deal. and didn't we get rico fata for kovalev :lol:

...but seriously...if you're rebuilding, you want young cheap talent, bargain veterans and draft picks. these trades happen all the time (hossa anyone?). you don't need to give up stars to get stars in return.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Defence21 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:50 am

Mosby wrote:
KG wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Don't they have Kopitar? Brown is lesser known, but still what i'd consider a star.


Agreed. Kopitar is a budding star. But bringing a Kovalchuk type of player to LA would be huge for them. They need to start taking on Anaheim again....

Yes, LA is my other team I follow...


They would be better off using resources to shore up the defense and goaltending if they want to make a move now toward winning the division. They are fine up front but the D and goaltending is downright terrible.

Haha, I read this without reading the context and I'm thinking, "What the hell!" Then I realized you were talking about the Kings, not the Pens. :oops:
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby wallflower on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:57 am

I'm no fun - I can't get into discussing trades for fun because I can't ignore what I think is reality. In this case, I cannot see Shero trading away most of the players being thrown around in this thread.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:58 am

wallflower wrote:I'm no fun - I can't get into discussing trades for fun because I can't ignore what I think is reality. In this case, I cannot see Shero trading away most of the players being thrown around in this thread.


After the Hossa trade, all bets are off for me. I wasn't surprised by anything but the pick. Outside of that, he really gave up nothing, it was pretty conservative otherwise.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Killiecrankie on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:58 am

Bowser wrote:Kovalchuk isn't a good wing option for Crosby. Pens need to find strong wingers who can battle in the corners, skate, responsible defensively, and fire a good one-timer. You know someone like Marian Hossa (you may have heard of him... oh well).


Im not really in favor either way and I don't think that it will happen but:

Kovalchuk is perhaps the best in the league at the one timer/ half slapper. The problem with Sid's line without Malkin is that there is no one addition to Sid who can carry the puck into the zone, and keep up skating wise. I think Kovalchuk is one of the best options in the entire NHL for Sids wing. Sure he carried the puck but he is a right hand shot, and that will really help our pp and Sid's line-he can pass to an entire new side of the ice.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:15 am

wallflower wrote:I'm no fun - I can't get into discussing trades for fun because I can't ignore what I think is reality. In this case, I cannot see Shero trading away most of the players being thrown around in this thread.


If you don't want to deal any cheap, young assets then the pens should look hard into signing Sundin. Hear me out:

Getting Sundin allows you to keep the 2 elite players together this year.
All it costs is money.
It would be a 1 year investment I'm sure.
After this year you have a lot of cap space available to sign a winger or 2...

It comes down to this:

Trade Staal, Goligoski etc. for Kovalchuk

OR

Sign Sundin for 1 year say $5MM
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby The Snapshot on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:19 am

KG wrote:
wallflower wrote:I'm no fun - I can't get into discussing trades for fun because I can't ignore what I think is reality. In this case, I cannot see Shero trading away most of the players being thrown around in this thread.


If you don't want to deal any cheap, young assets then the pens should look hard into signing Sundin. Hear me out:

Getting Sundin allows you to keep the 2 elite players together this year.
All it costs is money.
It would be a 1 year investment I'm sure.
After this year you have a lot of cap space available to sign a winger or 2...

It comes down to this:

Trade Staal, Goligoski etc. for Kovalchuk

OR

Sign Sundin for 1 year say $5MM


Except Sundin is a center and he reportedly has a 2 year, $20M offer from Vancouver still open to him. He will command a lot more than $5M, even from one of the contenders. NY would probably clear cap space if he showed interest.
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