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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby meecrofilm on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:21 am

Yeah. People need to stop talking about Sundin. And Kovalchuk for that matter. It's a totally bogus rumor.

All Feaster said was that it may be more beneficial for Atlanta to trade Kovalchuk now instead of when his contract is up. He didn't mention any potential deal, nor did he mention the Pens.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:22 am

I know Sundin is a center: This allows you to do this:

Crosby/Malkin/Fedotenko
Sundin/Sykora/Satan
Staal/Talbot/Dupuis
Zigo/Kennedy/Cooke

A lot of depth...

Regarding the Vancouver offer: It is a great money offer for Sundin. But all we keep hearing about is Mats to play for a winner. So lets see if he would take a 1 year deal with his chance to win...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Angle on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:23 am

I doubt the Pens would go after Kovaluchuk. Even dumping a potentially large salary of Staal, they'll have to pay Ilya big bucks (at least Crosby money and if he goes on the open market, maybe 8 figures?)

The only way RS should consider Kovalchuk would be by signing him before the trade is made.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby penny lane on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:24 am

Cheap answer~ David Booth from FLA.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:31 am

meecrofilm wrote:Yeah. People need to stop talking about Sundin. And Kovalchuk for that matter. It's a totally bogus rumor.

All Feaster said was that it may be more beneficial for Atlanta to trade Kovalchuk now instead of when his contract is up. He didn't mention any potential deal, nor did he mention the Pens.


People said the same thing about Hossa...The pens are built to win now. Don't put it past Mario etc. to make another big splash this year...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby AlexPKeaton on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:32 am

KG wrote:I know Sundin is a center: This allows you to do this:

Crosby/Malkin/Fedotenko
Sundin/Sykora/Satan
Staal/Talbot/Dupuis
Zigo/Kennedy/Cooke

A lot of depth...

Regarding the Vancouver offer: It is a great money offer for Sundin. But all we keep hearing about is Mats to play for a winner. So lets see if he would take a 1 year deal with his chance to win...


I'd rather this than make a huge trade.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Defence21 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:38 am

Angle wrote:I doubt the Pens would go after Kovaluchuk. Even dumping a potentially large salary of Staal, they'll have to pay Ilya big bucks (at least Crosby money and if he goes on the open market, maybe 8 figures?)

The only way RS should consider Kovalchuk would be by signing him before the trade is made.

I don't disagree with your premise that Ilya will eventually be making big bucks, but right now, he has two years left on his contract, meaning an extension cannot be worked on until after July 1 of 2009. This is not nearly the type of rental Hossa was last season.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Defence21 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:41 am

AlexPKeaton wrote:
KG wrote:I know Sundin is a center: This allows you to do this:

Crosby/Malkin/Fedotenko
Sundin/Sykora/Satan
Staal/Talbot/Dupuis
Zigo/Kennedy/Cooke

A lot of depth...

Regarding the Vancouver offer: It is a great money offer for Sundin. But all we keep hearing about is Mats to play for a winner. So lets see if he would take a 1 year deal with his chance to win...


I'd rather this than make a huge trade.

But how will the Penguins fit such a signing under the cap? According to Cap Central, the Penguins have $754,933 left under the cap. That's not even enough to nab Shanahan at this point, let alone Sundin.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby pens#1 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:41 am

since when can you not sign a contract xtension before your final season? i thought that was only for rookies
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby TheHammer24 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:42 am

I bet RS is trying to get a shootout specialist...

:-) ;-)
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:44 am

Defence21 wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:
KG wrote:I know Sundin is a center: This allows you to do this:

Crosby/Malkin/Fedotenko
Sundin/Sykora/Satan
Staal/Talbot/Dupuis
Zigo/Kennedy/Cooke

A lot of depth...

Regarding the Vancouver offer: It is a great money offer for Sundin. But all we keep hearing about is Mats to play for a winner. So lets see if he would take a 1 year deal with his chance to win...


I'd rather this than make a huge trade.

But how will the Penguins fit such a signing under the cap? According to Cap Central, the Penguins have $754,933 left under the cap. That's not even enough to nab Shanahan at this point, let alone Sundin.



Ahh, it can be done...Burke does it all the time in Anaheim...Sydor, Gill, Satan are all moveable parts if they have to clear cap space...Even if nobody trades for them, or claims them off waivers, the pens can still send them to the minors to get rid of the cap hit....Accept for Sydor, how is over 35...horrible deal...
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Noise on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:49 am

As much as Kovalchuk may be the best possible winger for Sid out there, I feel something like this would be prudent:
wait until draft day
Staal + Goligoski + a 2nd for a 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder, and 2 guys with 2 years on their entry level deals either coming off their rookie year or ready to begin it.
with the money saved:
sign a veteran 3rd line center
sign two 6/7 defensemen
sign some scoring wingers- they'll be plenty of good ones available.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby blackjack68 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:51 am

Completely baseless rumor gets nine pages...nice.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:55 am

blackjack68 wrote:Completely baseless rumor gets nine pages...nice.


It's fun to speculate...What else you want to talk about? Talbot bringing back the FUMANCHU? :D
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby penny lane on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:55 am

blackjack68 wrote:Completely baseless rumor gets nine pages...nice.



Harmless fun...I've read Gaborick rumors around here forever. :)
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Defence21 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:56 am

KG wrote:
Defence21 wrote:But how will the Penguins fit such a signing under the cap? According to Cap Central, the Penguins have $754,933 left under the cap. That's not even enough to nab Shanahan at this point, let alone Sundin.



Ahh, it can be done...Burke does it all the time in Anaheim...Sydor, Gill, Satan are all moveable parts if they have to clear cap space...Even if nobody trades for them, or claims them off waivers, the pens can still send them to the minors to get rid of the cap hit....Accept for Sydor, how is over 35...horrible deal...

Yes, Burke does it all the time...but where has that gotten the Ducks? They won a Cup, yes, but that was before he started shuffling his roster to create cap space. It's not the way to run a team. Dumping players because the make money makes no sense (Gill, Satan). Dumping players because they don't fit in with the team makes sense (Sydor). The grass isn't always greener.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Mongoose87 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:56 am

Noise wrote:As much as Kovalchuk may be the best possible winger for Sid out there, I feel something like this would be prudent:
wait until draft day
Staal + Goligoski + a 2nd for a 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder, and 2 guys with 2 years on their entry level deals either coming off their rookie year or ready to begin it.
with the money saved:
sign a veteran 3rd line center
sign two 6/7 defensemen
sign some scoring wingers- they'll be plenty of good ones available.


I'd prefer if we didn't deal Gogo. Also, call it a hunch, but Shero isn't giving up on Staal so soon.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby KG on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:00 am

Defence21 wrote:
KG wrote:
Defence21 wrote:But how will the Penguins fit such a signing under the cap? According to Cap Central, the Penguins have $754,933 left under the cap. That's not even enough to nab Shanahan at this point, let alone Sundin.



Ahh, it can be done...Burke does it all the time in Anaheim...Sydor, Gill, Satan are all moveable parts if they have to clear cap space...Even if nobody trades for them, or claims them off waivers, the pens can still send them to the minors to get rid of the cap hit....Accept for Sydor, how is over 35...horrible deal...

Yes, Burke does it all the time...but where has that gotten the Ducks? They won a Cup, yes, but that was before he started shuffling his roster to create cap space. It's not the way to run a team. Dumping players because the make money makes no sense (Gill, Satan). Dumping players because they don't fit in with the team makes sense (Sydor). The grass isn't always greener.


Oh I agree that it's not the best position to be in. But if it is a 1 year investment to eat some salary to try and win the cup this year then I would look seriously into it.

I am sure Shero isn't going to take on a big salary guy now, simply because we can't. But this team has a noticeable weakness that needs to be addressed at some point.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Noise on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:00 am

I'm just saying if Shero were to trade Staal and one of Gogo/Letang.

I'd say it is 50/50 Staal stays next year.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby wallflower on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:16 am

Mongoose87 wrote:Also, call it a hunch, but Shero isn't giving up on Staal so soon.

At this point, I'd consider it a logical conclusion. Shero constantly refers to Staal as being part of "the core." He never put Armstrong in that category (as far I know). IMO, I can't see Shero trading Staal unless Staal himself made it known to him that he didn't want to be on this team - and I highly doubt that will happen.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby cojac on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:22 am

Defence21 wrote:
KG wrote:
Defence21 wrote:But how will the Penguins fit such a signing under the cap? According to Cap Central, the Penguins have $754,933 left under the cap. That's not even enough to nab Shanahan at this point, let alone Sundin.



Ahh, it can be done...Burke does it all the time in Anaheim...Sydor, Gill, Satan are all moveable parts if they have to clear cap space...Even if nobody trades for them, or claims them off waivers, the pens can still send them to the minors to get rid of the cap hit....Accept for Sydor, how is over 35...horrible deal...

Yes, Burke does it all the time...but where has that gotten the Ducks? They won a Cup, yes, but that was before he started shuffling his roster to create cap space. It's not the way to run a team. Dumping players because the make money makes no sense (Gill, Satan). Dumping players because they don't fit in with the team makes sense (Sydor). The grass isn't always greener.

Don't forget that Gonchar's salary doesn't count because he's on the long term injury list.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby blackjack68 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:31 am

KG wrote:
blackjack68 wrote:Completely baseless rumor gets nine pages...nice.


It's fun to speculate...What else you want to talk about? Talbot bringing back the FUMANCHU? :D


Not complaining, just amused.

Waiting for tonight's game.
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Mr. Colby on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:34 am

to the original poster... Kovalchuk only makes 6.3 for this year and next
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby midd on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:40 am

I'm surprised that so many people are willing to trade Gogo or Letang rather than Whitney. I realize Whitney's out now but for salary purposes it would be better to trade Whitney than either of the young'ns
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Re: NHL Live Rumor...

Postby Mr. Colby on Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:51 am

i don't think this deal will get done, because we don't Ilya's jersey number available... we'd have to try to get sykora to switch to 39... if not there's just no way the deal gets done. What's worse is Ilya couldn't even wear the reverse of his number because evgeni sports it
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