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Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby demangone on Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:45 pm

Do it Shero.
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Re: Resign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:47 pm

I'd much prefer they keep him.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Henry Hank on Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:58 pm

Maybe a bit premature. Keep in mind that he spent a lot of last season in the AHL. He couldn't even crack a not great Phoenix team, and they practically gave him away for nothing. He's a champ on faceoffs, but Crosby, Staal, and Talbot have all improved a great deal since they came into the league. Remember how they got their last two faceoff/PK specialists - Hall on a camp tryout and Zigomanis for less than the normal waiver fee. I'd prefer he stays based on what I've seen, but if it's another situation like Hall where a team wants to guarantee him three years, let him go. Dustin Jeffrey appears to be a solid third/fourth line center prospect.
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Re: Resign Zigomanis, please.

Postby dagny on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:29 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:I'd much prefer they keep him.


:lol: Nice. I thought I was the only one who sees resign for what it means, as opposed to re-sign.

So many people post it that way, I always have to do a double take.
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Re: Resign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:32 pm

dagny wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:I'd much prefer they keep him.


:lol: Nice. I thought I was the only one who sees resign for what it means, as opposed to re-sign.

So many people post it that way, I always have to do a double take.


Its one of those little things that bothers me that really shouldn't. Best thing ever though. In a preseason scrimmage game when Kovalev was here, I was down first row on the glass next to the penalty box. Kovalev gets a penalty of some kind and is in the box. The girl behind me is holding a sign up to the glass and he is looking at her really puzzled. When he leaves the box I turn around and look at the sign as she pulls it away, and I guess her dad looked at it at the same time. Her dad was like, "you just told Kovalev to resign". I never looked back again so I couldn't tell if she was crying, but she was pretty upset for a few minutes. I was rather amused.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:45 pm

Henry Hank wrote:Maybe a bit premature. Keep in mind that he spent a lot of last season in the AHL. He couldn't even crack a not great Phoenix team, and they practically gave him away for nothing. He's a champ on faceoffs, but Crosby, Staal, and Talbot have all improved a great deal since they came into the league. Remember how they got their last two faceoff/PK specialists - Hall on a camp tryout and Zigomanis for less than the normal waiver fee. I'd prefer he stays based on what I've seen, but if it's another situation like Hall where a team wants to guarantee him three years, let him go. Dustin Jeffrey appears to be a solid third/fourth line center prospect.



Perhaps Crosby, Staal, and Max have all improved greatly this year under the tutelage of Ziggy? Not saying yes or no but they are all showing great increases this year. Could be maturation or insight from a great draw man.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Henry Hank on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:51 pm

I remember reading that Tom Fitzgerald had been working with the centers on faceoffs, so if anything I'd probably give him more credit. Crosby and Staal already seemed to have gotten it by last season, especially the playoffs. Talbot's really shot up, though. He went from ~42% last year to over 60% right now.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:55 pm

The increase in face off success has been very noticeable this year. I just wasn't sure what it is attributed to. Throwing ideas out there
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby pens#1 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:56 pm

resigning Talbot should be priority #1 as of now - playing with Crosby for an extended amount of time is only going to raise the starting price
i really hope Shero does not go into next summer with as much "in house" business as last year
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Re: Resign Zigomanis, please.

Postby dagny on Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:56 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
dagny wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:I'd much prefer they keep him.


:lol: Nice. I thought I was the only one who sees resign for what it means, as opposed to re-sign.

So many people post it that way, I always have to do a double take.


Its one of those little things that bothers me that really shouldn't. Best thing ever though. In a preseason scrimmage game when Kovalev was here, I was down first row on the glass next to the penalty box. Kovalev gets a penalty of some kind and is in the box. The girl behind me is holding a sign up to the glass and he is looking at her really puzzled. When he leaves the box I turn around and look at the sign as she pulls it away, and I guess her dad looked at it at the same time. Her dad was like, "you just told Kovalev to resign". I never looked back again so I couldn't tell if she was crying, but she was pretty upset for a few minutes. I was rather amused.


Great story!
For me . . . the grammar sensor is strong with this one.

I've been on BBs long enough to not nit-pick (unless I can make a funny).

However, the OP fixed the title, so our posts make little sense in this this thread now. :lol:
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby PensBeerGeek on Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:22 pm

Henry Hank wrote:I remember reading that Tom Fitzgerald had been working with the centers on faceoffs, so if anything I'd probably give him more credit. Crosby and Staal already seemed to have gotten it by last season, especially the playoffs. Talbot's really shot up, though. He went from ~42% last year to over 60% right now.


But none of the names that you mentioned shoot right, so there's a plus for Zigomanis right there.

I'd say to go for it. While I don't know if we could get him on a two-way or not, it's not like it's going to cost a fortune. Tuck him in at the 4th line center (where we can stick a RH faceoff specialist anyway), with the promise of 3rd line time when he's playing really well.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Henry Hank on Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:42 pm

But none of the names that you mentioned shoot right, so there's a plus for Zigomanis right there.


Definitely a good point. I guess my stance amounts to this - keep him only if it's a favorable deal and not a long commitment. He hasn't been a regular NHL'er even on bad teams, so it appears that there's some downside to him as well as the good we've seen. The way the Pens have been able to fill that role the last two seasons suggests these guys aren't that hard to find. I still can't believe Tampa gave Hall three years... well, I guess I can since it's Tampa.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:48 pm

Henry Hank wrote:
But none of the names that you mentioned shoot right, so there's a plus for Zigomanis right there.


Definitely a good point. I guess my stance amounts to this - keep him only if it's a favorable deal and not a long commitment. He hasn't been a regular NHL'er even on bad teams, so it appears that there's some downside to him as well as the good we've seen. The way the Pens have been able to fill that role the last two seasons suggests these guys aren't that hard to find. I still can't believe Tampa gave Hall three years... well, I guess I can since it's Tampa.


I don't see any problem with that deal. Its $1.8 million over 3 years. Even if he busts, its not much of an investment. Considering what will be expected of him, its hard for him to bust.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby cs6687 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:58 pm

Letang Is The Truth wrote:The increase in face off success has been very noticeable this year. I just wasn't sure what it is attributed to. Throwing ideas out there


Now, if they can be less selective with their shots and get more shots on goal, then the next problem is solved.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Jesse on Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:50 pm

Don't forget that Phoenix has a much higher tempo of play and puts a rather large emphasis on circling into the slot and creating offensive chances.

The Penguins are a lot more defensive oriented with a focus on board work and cycling. Methinks that style of play fits the Mantis much more.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby jaysmiter on Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:57 pm

I would rather them re-sign Talbot first.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby KG on Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:58 pm

I don't think re-signing Zigomanis is high on Shero's to do list yet...

If the pens want him back, they can/will sign him easily in July...
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:01 pm

Henry Hank wrote:
But none of the names that you mentioned shoot right, so there's a plus for Zigomanis right there.


The way the Pens have been able to fill that role the last two seasons suggests these guys aren't that hard to find.


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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby CKA24 on Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:03 pm

I hope we keep him... he's the best waiver pickup by the Pens in years... maybe the best one I remember!
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Metalmike on Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:43 pm

They say he's slow, I've not seen that yet. Works hard and makes the Pens an awesome faceoff team overall.


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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby wallflower on Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:49 pm

Metalmike wrote:They say he's slow, I've not seen that yet.

The person who wrote that scouting report was way off, in my opinion.
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby dman66 on Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:09 am

if he's at the right price, i don't see why not
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Metalmike on Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:20 am

Ziggy's gonna come in handy tonight against the Wings, winning faceoffs will be a big priority against their centers. Less time of posession for the wings is crucial for a Pens win.


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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby marek on Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:18 am

Metalmike wrote:Ziggy's gonna come in handy tonight against the Wings, winning faceoffs will be a big priority against their centers. Less time of posession for the wings is crucial for a Pens win.


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i wonder what the outcome would have been if Zigomanis was wearing the black/golf last spring... the red wings killed us on the draw
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Re: Re-sign Zigomanis, please.

Postby Henry Hank on Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:41 am

Pens were actually 48.2% on faceoffs in the Finals... I'd say that's more of a slight advantage by Detroit rather than a massacre. Hall was at 57.7% so I don't know how much of a difference Zigomanis makes.
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