Draftnik wrote:The $35M estimate was a scam to get approval for the project. We built an arena at MD that also opened in the fall of 02. It has more seats, ~ 17.9K total and more club seating/boxes than Pitt, but our estimate was $125M-$150M. There is no way Pitt's arena could have been realistically estimated to cost 25% of MDs.
Bowser wrote:Blaming this on Pitt is ridiculous, let's just blame Penn State for adding seats at their football stadium or building the Jordan Center.
that's right, JoePa is the reason the Pens don't have a new arena...
how's that for friggin stupidity
pfim wrote:The $35 million price was the one quoted when the Convocation Center was first proposed in 1992, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume the price would go up 8 years later. When they broke ground on the project, they knew it would be over $80 million, and construction was managed by the state.
pfim wrote:Deciding to tear down Pitt Stadium indirectly led to the cost overruns, as they almost doubled the size of the project because the plot of land they used was much bigger than the one originally chosen. The building proposed in 1992 was nothing like the one proposed in 1999. The building in 1992 actually had a larger seating capacity for basketball, but far fewer amenities for non-athletes.
pfim wrote:The Pens blew it when the previous ownership(s) didn't get on the gravy train, it has little or nothing to do with Pitt.
Exactly. That's one of the points made. Lowball the estimate to get acceptance and the over runs are paid for by who?
Bowser wrote:Pittsburgh Explosion is the current 'pro' team in town. They get 2200 fans according to a Sunday talk show caller that works for the team. I remember when Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson came to Pittsburgh and couldn't sell out Mellon Arena... or it was someone like that.
Even now, I don't think LeBron James could do it in the Burgh.
The argument that PITT basketball has proven to show a market for such a team is bunk. How many of those in crowd are PITT students and well-to-do alumni looking to be seen in the public?
On Sunday, I also heard them talk about local high school basketball and the crowds attracted to those games. Yeah, a bunch of family and friends attend those games paying nickles and dimes for gate prices.
Zscout wrote:Pitt isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t going anywhere.
Zscout wrote:The Penguins are a failing franchise with a questionable ownership and franchise troubles.
Zscout wrote:Blaming Pitt for the Penguins woes is ludicrous.
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