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DelPen wrote:Malkin's absence is due to his linemates. He's out there by himslef essentially and is forcing the issue too much. He still has shown good movement on the PP when he has other people to play with. He needs Staal and MO in a bad way right now.


Pitts wrote:I'd have to give this team a pass on this first game. They were so obviously nervous to start the game, there could have been no other outcome. By the third, they began to settle down and get a little more physical. I think they will settle down more in Saturday's game now that the jitters should be worked out. The FSN feed showed Mark Recchi and Gary Roberts taklking intently to each other at the end of the bench late in the third. I think those two will help get these kids back on track.
One thing is for sure, they need to come out hitting like gang busters on Saturday and someone, anyone needs to lay Alfredsson out hard.


beersnvalverde wrote:So Crosby is invisible most of the night but he gets a B? Malkin had a great game, I don't recall him making many mistakes throughout the night yet he "earns" your F. Not including the fact that it was because of him that the Penguins put the best shift of the game together in the 2nd period. Nice to see your grading on a college curve.

Mad City Mike wrote:They disallowed it under the guise that you can’t guide the puck into the net. Okay, then how does any goal where they determine it to be a non-kicking motion count? It’s not kicked, but you are still guiding it into the net. That would apply under rule 78.5, which states, “when the puck has been directed, batted, or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with a stick.â€￾ If someone can explain to me how what Crosby did was different than directing, but not kicking, the puck in with your skate, I am all ears.
kirk wrote:I'm going to do a second reply with this one and note that the Pens were so thoroughly outworked along the boards and outskated that Therrien should juggle his forward lines. Why Therrien, a coach who juggles during the regular season when his team is in a defensive struggle but isn't scoring, did nothing last night, not even a swap of Staal and Malone or a shift of Sid with Malkin, is beyond me. One more thing: I'm going to preface this by noting that Ouellet had a fair game last night. He worked hard and was infinitely better than Malone or Recchi. And, I'm going to preface this by noting that swapping 4th line RW's is like taking a band aid, albeit a good band aid, to a knife wound.
4th Line: Ruutu-EC-Petro . . . too obvious
3rd Line: Malone-Talbot-Army . . . call this Malone's last ES chance, as his PK work isn't good enough to justify a spot for a scoring line floater who fails to get a message
1st Line: Roberts-Sid-Ekman . . . Ekman plays a decent defensive game, but Sid needed help yesterday in transition and a little more skill on his wing, which means it's Ekman or Malkin
2nd Line: Staal-Malkin-Rex . . . in an ideal world, I would scratch Rex and dress Ouellet, but that won't happen; still, Malkin needs help defensively, which explains Staal
Regarding Ouellet, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that he didn't distinguish himself like Malone or Recchi, and I mean that wholeheartedly as a compliment. That said, this idea of "searching for balance" shouldn't just apply to offense. It should apply to the speed and defensive play on any line:
Ekman probably adds a little speed and offensive skill to line 1 without detracting offensively. Ouellet wouldn't fit there. He'd fit on line 2, but MT never will scratch Rex. And, I'm hoping Malkin and Staal would give you two responsible defensive forwards and, with Staal, might allow Malkin to realize the experience of leading a rush. MO could go on line three, but Talbot flanked by Malone and MO would scare me from a speed and defensive position. Swapping Malone and Army for Staal and MO is a wash at worst. I don't think the fourth line needs explanation.
In the end, then, it's not a question as to how I think MO played. I wish Malone or Recchi played with 1/3 of the heart. At the same time, my call to scratch MO, which won't happen for Ekman, reflects that the Pens need greater balance, in terms of speed and line defensive play, to skate a little better with Ottawa.

kirk wrote:I'm going to do a second reply with this one and note that the Pens were so thoroughly outworked along the boards and outskated that Therrien should juggle his forward lines. Why Therrien, a coach who juggles during the regular season when his team is in a defensive struggle but isn't scoring, did nothing last night, not even a swap of Staal and Malone or a shift of Sid with Malkin, is beyond me. One more thing: I'm going to preface this by noting that Ouellet had a fair game last night. He worked hard and was infinitely better than Malone or Recchi. And, I'm going to preface this by noting that swapping 4th line RW's is like taking a band aid, albeit a good band aid, to a knife wound.
4th Line: Ruutu-EC-Petro . . . too obvious
3rd Line: Malone-Talbot-Army . . . call this Malone's last ES chance, as his PK work isn't good enough to justify a spot for a scoring line floater who fails to get a message
1st Line: Roberts-Sid-Ekman . . . Ekman plays a decent defensive game, but Sid needed help yesterday in transition and a little more skill on his wing, which means it's Ekman or Malkin
2nd Line: Staal-Malkin-Rex . . . in an ideal world, I would scratch Rex and dress Ouellet, but that won't happen; still, Malkin needs help defensively, which explains Staal
Regarding Ouellet, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that he didn't distinguish himself like Malone or Recchi, and I mean that wholeheartedly as a compliment. That said, this idea of "searching for balance" shouldn't just apply to offense. It should apply to the speed and defensive play on any line:
Ekman probably adds a little speed and offensive skill to line 1 without detracting offensively. Ouellet wouldn't fit there. He'd fit on line 2, but MT never will scratch Rex. And, I'm hoping Malkin and Staal would give you two responsible defensive forwards and, with Staal, might allow Malkin to realize the experience of leading a rush. MO could go on line three, but Talbot flanked by Malone and MO would scare me from a speed and defensive position. Swapping Malone and Army for Staal and MO is a wash at worst. I don't think the fourth line needs explanation.
In the end, then, it's not a question as to how I think MO played. I wish Malone or Recchi played with 1/3 of the heart. At the same time, my call to scratch MO, which won't happen for Ekman, reflects that the Pens need greater balance, in terms of speed and line defensive play, to skate a little better with Ottawa.

Admin wrote:I'll take a shot at this.
Part of Rule 78.4 - Scoring a Goal
"If an attacking player has the puck deflect into the net, off his own skate or body, in any manner, the goal shall be allowed.
So the league makes a distinction between a deflection and direction.
The video goal judge must had thought that Crosby directed the puck in with his leg. The one angle did seem to show Crosby's leg sweeping underneath him which put the puck in but I think it was a bad overruling.

kirk wrote:I'm going to do a second reply... snip... One more thing: I'm going to preface this by noting... snip... And, I'm going to preface this by noting
Admin wrote:kirk wrote:I'm going to do a second reply... snip... One more thing: I'm going to preface this by noting... snip... And, I'm going to preface this by noting
"After a video review this second reply has been overturned. kirk clearly prefaced a preface which violates Board Rule 78.4. No GOAL."

Admin wrote:The video goal judge must had thought that Crosby directed the puck in with his leg. The one angle did seem to show Crosby's leg sweeping underneath him which put the puck in but I think it was a bad overruling.


Mad City Mike wrote:
I have absolutely no problem benching Recchi. He is THAT awful right now. He can't handle the puck and, as you note, his defensive play is non-existent. I would much rather see Ouellet out there than him. So I would go with your lines except substitute Ouellet for Recchi. If Malone still sucks in the next game, then scratch him in favor of Recchi. I definitely agree Petro should be in for BGL, as BGL can't skate in this pace of a game.

STRIPED BUFFOON HUH? CALL OF THE GAME: It absolutely has to be the non-call of the dive by Gutless Diving Choking Dog Alfredsson late in the second. You could see this was a dive from outer space, but neither buffoon managed to see it. That is called making sure the veteran player and team is protected. By not making the proper call here, they totally changed the outcome of the game. The Sens got a power play goal on the Penguin penalty, and the game was over. Who knows what happens if either buffoon has the guts to make the right call there?

pfim wrote:STRIPED BUFFOON HUH? CALL OF THE GAME: It absolutely has to be the non-call of the dive by Gutless Diving Choking Dog Alfredsson late in the second. You could see this was a dive from outer space, but neither buffoon managed to see it. That is called making sure the veteran player and team is protected. By not making the proper call here, they totally changed the outcome of the game. The Sens got a power play goal on the Penguin penalty, and the game was over. Who knows what happens if either buffoon has the guts to make the right call there?
The horrible thing was right after that, Malkin took a faceoff and was tripped, no call.
Again, I didn't really think the refs were that bad. Although, I guess you have to blow out your knee to score a goal to impress the War Garage.

kirk wrote:Mad City Mike wrote:
I have absolutely no problem benching Recchi. He is THAT awful right now. He can't handle the puck and, as you note, his defensive play is non-existent. I would much rather see Ouellet out there than him. So I would go with your lines except substitute Ouellet for Recchi. If Malone still sucks in the next game, then scratch him in favor of Recchi. I definitely agree Petro should be in for BGL, as BGL can't skate in this pace of a game.
I don't disagree with that. But, if Recchi and Malone were that awful last night, then how does Malkin earn a "F" from you for playing to a -1 with those two career anchors.

kirk wrote:I'm going to do a second reply with this one and note that the Pens were so thoroughly outworked along the boards and outskated that Therrien should juggle his forward lines. Why Therrien, a coach who juggles during the regular season when his team is in a defensive struggle but isn't scoring, did nothing last night, not even a swap of Staal and Malone or a shift of Sid with Malkin, is beyond me. One more thing: I'm going to preface this by noting that Ouellet had a fair game last night. He worked hard and was infinitely better than Malone or Recchi. And, I'm going to preface this by noting that swapping 4th line RW's is like taking a band aid, albeit a good band aid, to a knife wound.
4th Line: Ruutu-EC-Petro . . . too obvious
3rd Line: Malone-Talbot-Army . . . call this Malone's last ES chance, as his PK work isn't good enough to justify a spot for a scoring line floater who fails to get a message
1st Line: Roberts-Sid-Ekman . . . Ekman plays a decent defensive game, but Sid needed help yesterday in transition and a little more skill on his wing, which means it's Ekman or Malkin
2nd Line: Staal-Malkin-Rex . . . in an ideal world, I would scratch Rex and dress Ouellet, but that won't happen; still, Malkin needs help defensively, which explains Staal
Regarding Ouellet, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that he didn't distinguish himself like Malone or Recchi, and I mean that wholeheartedly as a compliment. That said, this idea of "searching for balance" shouldn't just apply to offense. It should apply to the speed and defensive play on any line:
Ekman probably adds a little speed and offensive skill to line 1 without detracting offensively. Ouellet wouldn't fit there. He'd fit on line 2, but MT never will scratch Rex. And, I'm hoping Malkin and Staal would give you two responsible defensive forwards and, with Staal, might allow Malkin to realize the experience of leading a rush. MO could go on line three, but Talbot flanked by Malone and MO would scare me from a speed and defensive position. Swapping Malone and Army for Staal and MO is a wash at worst. I don't think the fourth line needs explanation.
In the end, then, it's not a question as to how I think MO played. I wish Malone or Recchi played with 1/3 of the heart. At the same time, my call to scratch MO, which won't happen for Ekman, reflects that the Pens need greater balance, in terms of speed and line defensive play, to skate a little better with Ottawa.

pfim wrote:kirk wrote:Mad City Mike wrote:
I have absolutely no problem benching Recchi. He is THAT awful right now. He can't handle the puck and, as you note, his defensive play is non-existent. I would much rather see Ouellet out there than him. So I would go with your lines except substitute Ouellet for Recchi. If Malone still sucks in the next game, then scratch him in favor of Recchi. I definitely agree Petro should be in for BGL, as BGL can't skate in this pace of a game.
I don't disagree with that. But, if Recchi and Malone were that awful last night, then how does Malkin earn a "F" from you for playing to a -1 with those two career anchors.
Malkin was better than Crosby for most of the game, at least the portions of the game when the Pens still had a chance. Of course, that isn't saying much and I'm not really bashing Crosby or Malkin, they just weren't ready like the rest of them.

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