Muzz back to Burgh?

[KG]

I have read a couple of sites claiming that Shero has called Boston about Murray... http://thebuzzontheburgh.blogspot.com/2 ... -pens.html

I would take Murray back, not for Malone and Welch, no way will Murray net that kind of return. I could see a Malone for Murray type of deal though.....Sid needs a winger...

EDIT: it's also posted on HF boston and pens boards...

[skullman80]

No thanks.

Murray is old and overpaid.

[pfim]

I'd rather have Boyes.

[Corvidae]

No thanks.

Murray is old and overpaid.

Agreed.

[Hockeynut!]

He's definitely overpaid, but I'd welcome his return. We need scoring wingers.

I don't want to give up Malone AND Welch though.

[Jesse]

Malone and something other than Welch or Letang.


Malone and Lannon?

[yeltzen]

Yeah, that rumor has about as much credibility as "Kovy is a done deal."

[bill from turtle creek]

Shero's not that stupid. He might take Murray off of Boston's hands for free, to help them free up cap space, but he surely isn't going to give up ANYTHING for him, period. That would be incredibly dumb.

Anybody who would give up Malone and his $1 million salary for Murray and his $3million salary must be on drugs.

Luckily, it will never ever happen.

[Kicksave]

Dealing Malone for Murray?

Puh-lease. If that trade were to go down, I would lose a little bit of respect for Shero.

[magnum]

What doesn't make sense is that If Shero declined giving up Malone and Welch for Boyes, why would he give them up for Glen Murray?

That makes no sense.

[pfim]

That makes no sense.

You could have posted just that.

[magnum]

That makes no sense.

You could have posted just that.

True... but there's so many different ways in which this doesn't make sense, that if they aren't stated someone will respond with a..

Explain?

[KG]

I am not sure what to make of this.....I think it's obvious that we need a scoring winger. Murray is that, no matter what you may think of him. He is big, heavy shot. Would be to crosby was armstrong is supposed to be.

I wouldn't deal away malone or welch. I would offer a christensen or talbot and a mid level d man. I would also try to sell them to take back LeClair since we are taking on salary.

Crosby, Murray, Armstrong
Malkin, Recchi, Ekman
Moore, Malone, Ruutu
Staal, Ouellet, Thorburn....could be a lot worse...

[pfim]

You will have Glen Murray on your roster, making $4.1 million at ages 34, 35 and 36. Guys in their mid 30's whose production is solely dependent on playing with elite talents shouldn't cost that much.

[kirk]

What doesn't make sense is that If Shero declined giving up Malone and Welch for Boyes, why would he give them up for Glen Murray?

That makes no sense.

I don't think the article is saying that.

That's an interesting story about trying to get Boyes. He would have been a nice addition. An offer of Malone and Christensen makes sense, and, given how high Shero was on Welch when he was hired, his turning down a counter of Boyes for Malone and Welch makes this "buzz" actually seem almost believeable.

I just don't see either of those names happening in a deal for Murray. Boyes simply is a different player.

If Shero really is looking to make a move and if he is willing to move Malone and/or Welch, I would hope he would be looking to Phoenix. If he could move Malone, Scuderi, Welch, and a some combination of picks or prospects (say Carcillo and a third rounder) for Nagy (I'd love Doan and his speed but I don't see it) and a defenseman (Boynton or Morris would be a huge upgrade), then that's the type of deal I hope he would make. The Pens need two more legitimate top two line wingers and one better two way defenseman to be better able to compete against the division's elite teams. It may be too much salary, but a deal like that would go a long way towards addressing this team's deficiencies.

[kirk]

What doesn't make sense is that If Shero declined giving up Malone and Welch for Boyes, why would he give them up for Glen Murray?

That makes no sense.

I don't think the article is saying that. EDIT: Sorry, I reread it. That's nuts.

That's an interesting story about trying to get Boyes. He would have been a nice addition. An offer of Malone and Christensen makes sense, and, given how high Shero was on Welch when he was hired, his turning down a counter of Boyes for Malone and Welch makes this "buzz" actually seem almost believeable.

I just don't see either of those names happening in a deal for Murray. Boyes simply is a different player.

If Shero really is looking to make a move and if he is willing to move Malone and/or Welch, I would hope he would be looking to Phoenix. If he could move Malone, Scuderi, Welch, and a some combination of picks or prospects (say Carcillo and a third rounder) for Nagy (I'd love Doan and his speed but I don't see it) and a defenseman (Boynton or Morris would be a huge upgrade), then that's the type of deal I hope he would make. The Pens need two more legitimate top two line wingers and one better two way defenseman to be better able to compete against the division's elite teams. It may be too much salary, but a deal like that would go a long way towards addressing this team's deficiencies.

[DelPen]

I said it in the other Murray thread...the only deal I make is sending at least two one-way deals back to Boston, maybe even three. Leclair, Recchi and Scuderi for Murray and a 4th rounder. That gets Murray's salary off the books and frees up some spots on the roster in Pittsburgh so some guys can go back and forth to WBS if they earn a shot down there.

[NIN]

I have read a couple of sites claiming that Shero has called Boston about Murray... http://thebuzzontheburgh.blogspot.com/2 ... -pens.html

I would take Murray back, not for Malone and Welch, no way will Murray net that kind of return. I could see a Malone for Murray type of deal though.....Sid needs a winger...

EDIT: it's also posted on HF boston and pens boards...

If his contract isn't too lenghty (ie. beyond next season) I would trade Malone for him in a heartbeat. If they wanted another skater I would think hard about that, maybe throw in a 4thie. Murray has the shot of Ouellet, the stature of Malone, and the skating of...well I don't know who but he is a good skater.

[mikey287]

So, just to make sure I understand...we'll give up a much younger winger who started his career with back to back 20+ goal seasons, makes ~$1.35M per season plus, plus now, a defensive prospect (because we all know we have no need for defensive help) for a 34 year old winger who has scored 56 goals in the time Ryan has scored 44 and is steadily declining (44 goals, 32 goals, 24 goals...) and on top of that he makes $4.15M per season until 2009...

Where do I sign what a ridiculous idea...

[gruntov]

I think Murray has at least 1 more, and possibly 2 more years left at $4M+.

In a cap environment, that's called dead weight!

[KG]

TSN player profile says this: 02-Aug-05: Re-signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Boston Bruins to a four-year contract.

So 3 more years at 4.1. I think it's safe to say he won't be a penguin again.

Thread closed

[NIN]

Murray isn't going to win the Selke but he is a much more capable finisher then Malone is and perhaps ever will be. 4.1 million for 3 more years? That is too much for him, no way would I consider that deal because of the money. They could spend that on a 28 year old Doan this summer or Kariya, Datsyuk, and on and on...

Seriously though, Malone is capable of scoring 30 and playing average defensively. At this time in his life it would be good for him to take advantage of playing on a scoring line and really REALLY go all out every shift. I think he has done the little things alot better lately and now it's time to bring his A game offensively as well. Shero is not going to wait two months for him to regain confidence. That just isn't going to happen.

[netwolf]

I'll take the 20-goal/40-point 26 year old at $1.3 over the deteriorating 33 year old at $4.15.

I generally like what Shero is doing, though there are a couple of things I personally would not have done (as if he cares). I am still on the RS bandwagon, but if this comes to fruition, I'm really going to start questioning what is going on:

It is believed the Penguins may counter with the same kind of offer and this time may include Welch to bring in the proven winger.

You don't build a team by trading a top-4 defenseman (with the potential to be a top 2) for a 33 year old winger on the downside of his career.

[NIN]

I'll take the 20-goal/40-point 26 year old at $1.3 over the deteriorating 33 year old at $4.15.

I generally like what Shero is doing, though there are a couple of things I personally would not have done (as if he cares). I am still on the RS bandwagon, but if this comes to fruition, I'm really going to start questioning what is going on:

It is believed the Penguins may counter with the same kind of offer and this time may include Welch to bring in the proven winger.

You don't build a team by trading a top-4 defenseman (with the potential to be a top 2) for a 33 year old winger on the downside of his career.

Here is why trading for Murray is a good deal:

Murray would score 40-50 goals this season and each of the next 2. 4.1 for that kind of production is a very fair price. He is a solid all around player for a goal scorer of that caliber. He is a right handed triggerman for the power play. He has a cannon of a shot and he can get that big frame moving up ice in a hurray. Good hockey sense, knows how to work with talented playmakers like Thorton.

I would love to see Malone grasp the NHL fundamentals someday but he has not found a way to do that and at the same time be a socring threat. He either cheats into the offensive zone or he cheats into the defensive zone. Murray can play both ends of the rink at an acceptable NHL level and he provides better offense. If Murray scored 40 and the Pens made the playoffs it would be a great trade.

Welch would be very hard to part with but consider this fact Mr. Netwolf: 40 goal scorers are not readily available to trade for and the window to acquire them is usually small. Shero added 2 Welch prototypes in this years draft. Welch is NOT NHL ready this season, he has horrendous defensive lapses and he is frequently out of posiiton. Welch wont get them into the playoffs this season, Murray however could help that cause signifficantly.

I would not make the trade but Shero would be a fool not to look into it.

[Defence21]

I'd only do the deal if it involved one offense and one defense of the following: Melichar, Scuderi, Recchi, Leclair.

We have seen what Leclair and Recchi -- as well as Scuds and Melichar -- can do in the new NHL. We also have seen what Murray can do. He's definitely still capable of playing at a high-level, especially if playing alongside a superstar center such as Crosby.

After this season, Shero will be free of the contracts binding Recchi, Leclair, Ekman, Scuderi, Melichar and possibly a few others (maybe Cairns and Roy?). That essentially gets rid of the dead-weight veterans. Adding Murray wouldn't necessarily be ideal, as he has two years left on his contract, but it wouldn't be as bad as having at least four dead-weight contracts, as the Pens do now.

Again, Murray still can produce, so if Shero can nab him without sending Malone, Welch, Letang -- or any of the younger players on this team -- it would be a wise move. I also wouldn't be opposed to adding someone liek Lannon, Christensen, etc or a draft pick no higher than 4th round to sweeten the deal a bit.

Boston's looking to dump salary, and this could be a good opportunity for the Pens to dump some dead-weight depth.