ISIS Crisis

[Gaucho]

Nice try, though.

[newarenanow]

I guess Egypt is blowing up ISIS right now.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

I wasnt talking about the Ottoman being at peace with other countries, I meant being stable within itself (not a lot of infighting)


Considering how long it lasted its probably true.

[Eismann]

At the same time, this isn't ISIS v. Christian/Jew/Atheist/Animist/Wiccan/Etc... It's ISIS v. man.

Yes, exactly, this is not Muslims vs Christians, as the Fox Wochenschau has you believe, much to the delight of ISIS, I assume.

Meh, I don't watch much FN, but their central beef seems to be Obama/Admin not calling it 'radical Islam', 'Islamic extremists', etc., which is a pretty fair claim.

PC-ism aside, and without the full demographics of the victims at hand, I'm going to guess that the victims of all kinds of ISIS and ISIS-related span loads of religions and ethnicities. Those wackjobs don't seem to discriminate much in whom they choose for public demonstrations.

[tifosi77]

I still like my idea of a revengful, murderous Batman-type person going over there and making his own videos of burning ISIL fighters and beheading extremists.

[Factorial]

At the same time, this isn't ISIS v. Christian/Jew/Atheist/Animist/Wiccan/Etc... It's ISIS v. man.

Yes, exactly, this is not Muslims vs Christians, as the Fox Wochenschau has you believe, much to the delight of ISIS, I assume.

Meh, I don't watch much FN, but their central beef seems to be Obama/Admin not calling it 'radical Islam', 'Islamic extremists', etc., which is a pretty fair claim.

PC-ism aside, and without the full demographics of the victims at hand, I'm going to guess that the victims of all kinds of ISIS and ISIS-related span loads of religions and ethnicities. Those wackjobs don't seem to discriminate much in whom they choose for public demonstrations.

And that means you agree with Gaucho. The carping on this issue by the right does nothing but play into ISIS's ploy to make this a Muslim vs Infidels war and it's not.

[DocEmrick]

I still like my idea of a revengful, murderous Batman-type person going over there and making his own videos of burning ISIL fighters and beheading extremists.

Batman doesn't kill people though!

He'd just round them up and send them to Gitmo...oh wait...

[SolidSnake]

I still like my idea of a revengful, murderous Batman-type person going over there and making his own videos of burning ISIL fighters and beheading extremists.

I like that

[Eismann]

I still like my idea of a revengful, murderous Batman-type person going over there and making his own videos of burning ISIL fighters and beheading extremists.

From a strategic standpoint, I think that's the best way to go.

ISIS grows by terror - when they roll into town, you're either with them or subject to death and worse. They're largely parasitic, state-less, and driven by a purpose akin to what Col. Kurtz described to Willard at the end of Apocalypse Now.

Seems like you need to instill more terror in them than they do in you, the end result being they eventually disband and can't recruit.

[Eismann]

At the same time, this isn't ISIS v. Christian/Jew/Atheist/Animist/Wiccan/Etc... It's ISIS v. man.

Yes, exactly, this is not Muslims vs Christians, as the Fox Wochenschau has you believe, much to the delight of ISIS, I assume.

Meh, I don't watch much FN, but their central beef seems to be Obama/Admin not calling it 'radical Islam', 'Islamic extremists', etc., which is a pretty fair claim.

PC-ism aside, and without the full demographics of the victims at hand, I'm going to guess that the victims of all kinds of ISIS and ISIS-related span loads of religions and ethnicities. Those wackjobs don't seem to discriminate much in whom they choose for public demonstrations.

And that means you agree with Gaucho. The carping on this issue by the right does nothing but play into ISIS's ploy to make this a Muslim vs Infidels war and it's not.

I don't think that's quite right, but I'm also not quite sure where you're coming from. The "radical Islam" isolates ISIS as the extreme part, implying that non-radical Islam is not problematic. True, several on the right see Islam in itself as radical and problematic, but it seems like if ISIS really wanted to broaden its base, "radical Islam" as a moniker wouldn't suit them.

I do also think that ISIS views practically everyone 'else' as an Infidel, thus subject to what they're doing.

[shafnutz05]

The carping on this issue by the right does nothing but play into ISIS's ploy to make this a Muslim vs Infidels war and it's not.

But this is an Islamic extremism vs. Infidels war. How can you not think this?

[shmenguin]

I still like my idea of a revengful, murderous Batman-type person going over there and making his own videos of burning ISIL fighters and beheading extremists.

I did enjoy the movie Munich

[DelPen]

Is there anything really stopping oil rich countires from hiring private US security firms of essentially mercenaries granting them full immunity to dealing with this problem?

I am rather surprised in a good way at Egypt's response to ISIS killing Coptic Christians.

[CBear3]

The carping on this issue by the right does nothing but play into ISIS's ploy to make this a Muslim vs Infidels war and it's not.

But this is an Islamic extremism vs. Infidels war. How can you not think this?

The Jordanian pilot was Muslim, was he not?
Would he not have simply been a prisoner if it was a holy war, as opposed to being burned on TV?

[count2infinity]

he wasn't the right kind of muslim.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

The main fight is between Sunnis and Shiites, two different Muslim sects. This has been going on since Islam became a thing

[CBear3]

Apologies, I never heard which sect.
Carry on.

[Avyran]

Meh, ISIS doesn't care if it's Sunni or Shiite. It's whether they're ISIS-affiliated or not.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Meh, ISIS doesn't care if it's Sunni or Shiite. It's whether they're ISIS-affiliated or not.

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BAGHDAD — Whether a person is a Shiite or a Sunni Muslim in Iraq can now be, quite literally, a matter of life and death.

As the militant group the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, has seized vast territories in western and northern Iraq, there have been frequent accounts of fighters’ capturing groups of people and releasing the Sunnis while the Shiites are singled out for execution.

ISIS believes that the Shiites are apostates and must die in order to forge a pure form of Islam. The two main branches of Islam diverge in their beliefs over who is the true inheritor of the mantle of the Prophet Muhammad. The Shiites believe that Islam was transmitted through the household of the Prophet Muhammad. Sunnis believe that it comes down through followers of the Prophet Muhammad who, they say, are his chosen people.

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But how can ISIS tell whether a person is a Sunni or a Shiite? From accounts of people who survived encounters with the militants, it seems they often ask a list of questions. Here are some of them:


What is your name?

A quick look at an Iraqi’s national identity card or passport can be a signal. Shiites believe that the leadership of Islam was passed down through the Prophet Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali and his sons Hussain (or Hussein), Hassan and Abbas, among others. While some Sunnis and members of other Islamic groups may also have those names, ISIS would most likely associate them with the Shiites.

I mean, I guess you're right, because any Shia is by definition not ISIS affiliated, but it is certainly Sunni vs. Shia

[Avyran]

Yeah, that's normally the case, but ISIS has been killing Sunni Muslims for a good while now. (Edit: Gimme a bit to find better proof.)

ISIS Executed 13 Sunni Clerics for Refusing to Join. They also killed at least 300 Sunnis in a single tribe in Iraq. They threaten to murder anyone who opposes them.

ISIS considers the Saudi Arabian government (a Wahhabi government, sect of Sunni Islam) to be apostates.

Like all Salafi-Wahhabi organizations, declaring the other a disbeliever, whether he is Muslim or a Person of the Book, has become a well-established feature of ISIS’ doctrine. Simply put, that is because the rigid characteristics expected in a Muslim person, according to the vision presented by these organizations, apply only to the adherents of Wahhabism.

Remember, according to ISIS, they are the only true Muslims. They are the only true adherents to "Salafi" (the first three generations of Islam) Islam. If you do not follow those beliefs, even if you call yourself Muslim, you are an apostate. You are worthy of death. The Taliban are Sunni, yet they are fighting with ISIS.

All that being said, the wonderful hatred between Sunnis & Shiites doesn't help the situation at all.

[Geezer]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/17 ... raqi-town/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Burned 45 more captives.

[tifosi77]

Batman doesn't kill people though!

My 'Batman' is better.

[SolidSnake]

Batman doesn't kill people though!

My 'Batman' is better.

The Punisher then

[Tico Rick]

IMO, these are insane people who use ideology to justify their lust for power. If you're a Sunni you're okay - as long as you agree to them being the ones in power.

[Gaucho]

ISIS has certainly done a good job of extending the playing field. All of a sudden we all pretend to give a f'ck about what happens in Mali, Nigeria, Syrian, Jemen, etc.