Drug Legalization; your view?

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no name wrote:
If they do legalize Pot I hope they really define "recreational use" so people understand when and where it would be proper for you to use it. I know some people who use it and clearly only use it in a few settings where they know it won't get in the way of anything. Just so people would know how to be responsible with it. Might not do any good but even if you reached a few people might be worth it.
this is a pretty great video regarding reconciling legalization with public health concerns.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG0Y-m5YwzI[/youtube]

some of mark kleiman's ideas are pretty terrible (like registering a personal weed quota in a government database), but he makes great points about legitimate concerns - despite being pro-legalization.
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The active ingedient in Sudafed, Pseudoephedrine has a personal purchase quota in a number of states. I don't know the maximum amount that I can purchase in my state, but I have to furnish a valid Driver's License to the pharmacy for each purchase, then they run my License through a database as a means to tally my purchases. An over the counter sinus relief drug.
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BigMcK wrote:
The active ingedient in Sudafed, Pseudoephedrine has a personal purchase quota in a number of states. I don't know the maximum amount that I can purchase in my state, but I have to furnish a valid Driver's License to the pharmacy for each purchase, then they run my License through a database as a means to tally my purchases. An over the counter sinus relief drug.
That is used to make meth...
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You gotta crush a bunch of little pills to garner enough of the ingredient needed to make meth, even for personal use. Like I said, I don't know how many pills I can buy until they shut me off. It is just concerning that there is a database to track the purchase of a completely legal drug being used legally.
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It's amazing they don't track alcohol sales.
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BigMcK wrote:
You gotta crush a bunch of little pills to garner enough of the ingredient needed to make meth, even for personal use. Like I said, I don't know how many pills I can buy until they shut me off. It is just concerning that there is a database to track the purchase of a completely legal drug being used legally.
I thought you were arguing in favor of doing the same for pot.
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PensFanInDC wrote:
BigMcK wrote:
The active ingedient in Sudafed, Pseudoephedrine has a personal purchase quota in a number of states. I don't know the maximum amount that I can purchase in my state, but I have to furnish a valid Driver's License to the pharmacy for each purchase, then they run my License through a database as a means to tally my purchases. An over the counter sinus relief drug.
That is used to make meth...
yeah, they don't care how much Pseudoephedrine you use, if you use it for its original purpose. unlike weed, where the point of a personal quota is to restrict its intended use. i actually don't mind it conceptually, since the quota would likely be enough to accommodate a casual user. it's basically just to prevent flat out substance abuse. it's also price-independent. the risk with full legalization is that pot will become too cheap - which is problematic, i think. if there were no controls on its price, it would be about the same as lipton tea. much more potential for abuse.

uruguay does the quota thing, i think. and, inline with my own trepidation, a lot of citizens are hesitant to be registered in the government database. what happens when a new administration comes in?
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I learned to refrain from expressing my personal views on drug legalization.

I did, however, express my concern on the view that if made legal, monies used on current law enforcement efforts may make its way to fund treatment for abuse of the newly legal drugs.
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USA should do what Portugal did. War on drugs has been a disaster, but quiet a money maker for a few inhumane idiots.
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http://www.wtae.com/news/baby-mother-fo ... e/31651070" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Baby starves to death after his mom ODs.
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Geezer wrote:
http://www.wtae.com/news/baby-mother-fo ... e/31651070
Baby starves to death after his mom ODs.
Nowhere in that article does it say she OD'd, just that results are pending on a cause of death.

Either way its really sad.
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skullman80 wrote:
Geezer wrote:
http://www.wtae.com/news/baby-mother-fo ... e/31651070
Baby starves to death after his mom ODs.
Nowhere in that article does it say she OD'd, just that results are pending on a cause of death.

Either way its really sad.
I saw the newscasts this morning and that's what they stated (wtae). They will do an autopsy though. She apparently had a history related to drug issues. It's an awful story.
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Not sure if I've mentioned this in the past on this board but I have bipolar II disorder. I've been on medication for depression since 16 and for bipolar since 19. I just turned 30. I'm stable but there's definitely some weird stuff that goes on with the pills I'm on and how I'm almost a slave to them if I miss them. If marijuana was made legal medicinally, or even recreationally, I'd jump at the chance for that as an alternative form of treatment. I've read from a handful of random resources that there are specific strains of it that help with different problems in people...like one for anxiety, one for mania in bipolar patients, one for insomnia, etc. If they were able to create something to potentially eliminate those, or at least regulate them, I'd be all for making the switch. No one really knows the long term consequences of mood stabilizers and that worries me a bit, even if I am and have been fully functional for quite a long time with their help.
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cma3585 wrote:
Not sure if I've mentioned this in the past on this board but I have bipolar II disorder. I've been on medication for depression since 16 and for bipolar since 19. I just turned 30. I'm stable but there's definitely some weird stuff that goes on with the pills I'm on and how I'm almost a slave to them if I miss them. If marijuana was made legal medicinally, or even recreationally, I'd jump at the chance for that as an alternative form of treatment. I've read from a handful of random resources that there are specific strains of it that help with different problems in people...like one for anxiety, one for mania in bipolar patients, one for insomnia, etc. If they were able to create something to potentially eliminate those, or at least regulate them, I'd be all for making the switch. No one really knows the long term consequences of mood stabilizers and that worries me a bit, even if I am and have been fully functional for quite a long time with their help.
Did you ever smoke pot before?
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Legalize cannabis; it's the same freaking thing as alcohol, even less hard on the body.

Legalize psilocybin; it readily grows anyways. You can't control nature.

Legalize medical MDMA for PTSD.

Legalize and regulate LSD/DMT for therapy, PTSD and otherwise.

Meth is already medically legal under the brand-name Desoxyn.
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Sarcastic wrote:
cma3585 wrote:
Not sure if I've mentioned this in the past on this board but I have bipolar II disorder. I've been on medication for depression since 16 and for bipolar since 19. I just turned 30. I'm stable but there's definitely some weird stuff that goes on with the pills I'm on and how I'm almost a slave to them if I miss them. If marijuana was made legal medicinally, or even recreationally, I'd jump at the chance for that as an alternative form of treatment. I've read from a handful of random resources that there are specific strains of it that help with different problems in people...like one for anxiety, one for mania in bipolar patients, one for insomnia, etc. If they were able to create something to potentially eliminate those, or at least regulate them, I'd be all for making the switch. No one really knows the long term consequences of mood stabilizers and that worries me a bit, even if I am and have been fully functional for quite a long time with their help.
Did you ever smoke pot before?
A few times. Was fun but the high didn't last long at all.
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cma3585 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:
cma3585 wrote:
Not sure if I've mentioned this in the past on this board but I have bipolar II disorder. I've been on medication for depression since 16 and for bipolar since 19. I just turned 30. I'm stable but there's definitely some weird stuff that goes on with the pills I'm on and how I'm almost a slave to them if I miss them. If marijuana was made legal medicinally, or even recreationally, I'd jump at the chance for that as an alternative form of treatment. I've read from a handful of random resources that there are specific strains of it that help with different problems in people...like one for anxiety, one for mania in bipolar patients, one for insomnia, etc. If they were able to create something to potentially eliminate those, or at least regulate them, I'd be all for making the switch. No one really knows the long term consequences of mood stabilizers and that worries me a bit, even if I am and have been fully functional for quite a long time with their help.
Did you ever smoke pot before?
A few times. Was fun but the high didn't last long at all.
Consider alternative routes of administration for cannabis. Edibles will have a long-lasting effect. Tinctures as well. There are so many different strains / dosages / ROA's that it takes some experimenting when you're medicating. A doctor can give you the best advice for your medical condition. MMJ will be legalized this year in PA (if that's where you live), but the program will take some time to get up and running. Probably another year or so.
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Geezer wrote:
http://www.wtae.com/news/baby-mother-fo ... e/31651070
Baby starves to death after his mom ODs.
This is absolutely horrific. If there is a hell I hope she is rotting there.
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That's about the most terrible thing going.
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Why people can't stick to the GRAS stuff is beyond me.

Heroin is practically legal in the form of the various painkillers produced by big pharma. And it's not like there aren't a plethora of programs out there to try and help with the problem; anything from clinics to shelters. That's terrible.
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DocEmrick wrote:
cma3585 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:
cma3585 wrote:
Not sure if I've mentioned this in the past on this board but I have bipolar II disorder. I've been on medication for depression since 16 and for bipolar since 19. I just turned 30. I'm stable but there's definitely some weird stuff that goes on with the pills I'm on and how I'm almost a slave to them if I miss them. If marijuana was made legal medicinally, or even recreationally, I'd jump at the chance for that as an alternative form of treatment. I've read from a handful of random resources that there are specific strains of it that help with different problems in people...like one for anxiety, one for mania in bipolar patients, one for insomnia, etc. If they were able to create something to potentially eliminate those, or at least regulate them, I'd be all for making the switch. No one really knows the long term consequences of mood stabilizers and that worries me a bit, even if I am and have been fully functional for quite a long time with their help.
Did you ever smoke pot before?
A few times. Was fun but the high didn't last long at all.
Consider alternative routes of administration for cannabis. Edibles will have a long-lasting effect. Tinctures as well. There are so many different strains / dosages / ROA's that it takes some experimenting when you're medicating. A doctor can give you the best advice for your medical condition. MMJ will be legalized this year in PA (if that's where you live), but the program will take some time to get up and running. Probably another year or so.
...maybe I won't try raising a hop yard after all.
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all you have to do is look at the results of what happened in Portugal when they legalized all drugs and its hard to argue against it. legalize them all. put the money we were using fighting drugs into care and treatment and things would be much better off.
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PensFanInDC wrote:
DocEmrick wrote:
cma3585 wrote:
Sarcastic wrote:
cma3585 wrote:
Not sure if I've mentioned this in the past on this board but I have bipolar II disorder. I've been on medication for depression since 16 and for bipolar since 19. I just turned 30. I'm stable but there's definitely some weird stuff that goes on with the pills I'm on and how I'm almost a slave to them if I miss them. If marijuana was made legal medicinally, or even recreationally, I'd jump at the chance for that as an alternative form of treatment. I've read from a handful of random resources that there are specific strains of it that help with different problems in people...like one for anxiety, one for mania in bipolar patients, one for insomnia, etc. If they were able to create something to potentially eliminate those, or at least regulate them, I'd be all for making the switch. No one really knows the long term consequences of mood stabilizers and that worries me a bit, even if I am and have been fully functional for quite a long time with their help.
Did you ever smoke pot before?
A few times. Was fun but the high didn't last long at all.
Consider alternative routes of administration for cannabis. Edibles will have a long-lasting effect. Tinctures as well. There are so many different strains / dosages / ROA's that it takes some experimenting when you're medicating. A doctor can give you the best advice for your medical condition. MMJ will be legalized this year in PA (if that's where you live), but the program will take some time to get up and running. Probably another year or so.
...maybe I won't try raising a hop yard after all.
I would definitely recommend an investment in any hemp and cannabis seeds; especially if you're in DC.
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knives of ice wrote:
all you have to do is look at the results of what happened in Portugal when they legalized all drugs and its hard to argue against it. legalize them all. put the money we were using fighting drugs into care and treatment and things would be much better off.
It's a public health issue rather than legal for sure, but I'm still not optimistic about the regulation of stuff like cocaine/heroin in the U.S. The government and it's private partners make too much money off of the prison system.