Official Pittsburgh Penguins Jersey & Gear Discussion Thread

[Lesky]

One thing that is kind of throwing me off, but might be hidden in that one close-up picture because the tag is folded, is the fact that it doesn't look like it had a "Center Ice" hang tag punctured through the white "CCM" neck tag. Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/IHMlRxB.jpg?1

Though again, you could just be missing it in the photo because the tag is folded.

Lastly, as we talked about before the jersey certainly isn't customized by the team - it was done by that Mc Niece shop.

Yeah, I checked now. The center ice hang tag seems to have been there because there is a crack/hole in that area. The area above where size 50 is written that is not visible.

And yes, I think we can agree its not a team issue jersey. Just a retail authentic from early 1990 probably.

[Lesky]

While I still am asking things.

Whats the difference between a 1992-1993 authentic retail CCM and a 1993-1994, 1994-1995 and 1995-1996?

The 1992-1993 seasons retail authentic has ULTRAFIL written on the tagging inside the neck.

Does that mean the material of the jersey were different the 1992-1993 season compared to the 1994 to 1996?

Or is it just the tagging thats different?
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See pics below for reference:

1992-1993 jersey:

1993-1994 jersey:

[blurryhaze312]

Nope, same materials - just different tagging!

The jersey size in ballpoint pen doesn't mean anything one way or the other, as the size was written that way on the late 80's and I think really early 90's jerseys.

Thanks for all the input.

I know one can write any size there and it could be wrong. But I told you I compared it to my size 44, 48 and 52 golden toe. And the size is somewhere in between the size 48 and the size 52. Does that not indicate its a size 50?

Sorry, by "doesn't mean all that much" I meant it didn't mean much as far as deciding if it was team-issued. Yes, there's no doubt it's a 50. Like I said, in those late-80's and early-90's years they used pen to write the size in at the factory I would assume. I've never heard of someone that had a wrong size written down, honestly.

[jeffshly]

Lesky, unfortunately, the Jagr jersey you have pictured is not a team-issued jersey. The Penguins used a local sports shop, Century Sports, to do all of their customizations from the late-80's (when game-worn jerseys had the Century Sports name on the rear hem) through the early-90's, until 1994 or 1995. Century Sports actually didn't customize the jerseys, either. They contracted them out to the sweetest little lady you'd ever meet, who had an embroidery shop in her converted garage. McNiece's never had anything to do with team-issued jerseys, and it looks like they took a rough idea of the lettering.

The jersey you have pictured is an authentic, though. It's an early-90's CCM authentic, but the lettering isn't right. The numbers and letters used on this jersey are very different from those used on the Penguins actual jerseys of that era. Compare with the lettering style on these game-worn jerseys: http://www.penguinschronicles.com/1989- ... rseys.html. The tagging looks consistent with a retail authentic or team-issued jersey. Oftentimes, the team removed the Center Ice tag that yours (and mine too) still has, and it also looks like your size tag was removed. Nonetheless, you got yourself a nice jersey with quite a bit of a story behind it! Congratulations.

On the two black jerseys you pictured above, there's no difference in the material. Both are CCM Ultrafil jerseys. Just a branding change to the tagging, going from Maska to CCM branding. Those are the small details that happen from year to year, but looking at the tagging and the neckline, both seem to be authentics.

[Lesky]

On the two black jerseys you pictured above, there's no difference in the material. Both are CCM Ultrafil jerseys. Just a branding change to the tagging, going from Maska to CCM branding. Those are the small details that happen from year to year, but looking at the tagging and the neckline, both seem to be authentics.

Thank you.

Are the 1992-1993 MASKA tagging valued more than the 94-96 CCM tagging? Or does that vary depending whos valuing them?

I mean, I thought the MASKA was more rare because it was only produced one year compared to 3 years for the CCM.

[Lesky]

Lesky, unfortunately, the Jagr jersey you have pictured is not a team-issued jersey. The Penguins used a local sports shop, Century Sports, to do all of their customizations from the late-80's (when game-worn jerseys had the Century Sports name on the rear hem) through the early-90's, until 1994 or 1995. Century Sports actually didn't customize the jerseys, either. They contracted them out to the sweetest little lady you'd ever meet, who had an embroidery shop in her converted garage. McNiece's never had anything to do with team-issued jerseys, and it looks like they took a rough idea of the lettering.

The jersey you have pictured is an authentic, though. It's an early-90's CCM authentic, but the lettering isn't right. The numbers and letters used on this jersey are very different from those used on the Penguins actual jerseys of that era. Compare with the lettering style on these game-worn jerseys: http://www.penguinschronicles.com/1989- ... rseys.html. The tagging looks consistent with a retail authentic or team-issued jersey. Oftentimes, the team removed the Center Ice tag that yours (and mine too) still has, and it also looks like your size tag was removed. Nonetheless, you got yourself a nice jersey with quite a bit of a story behind it! Congratulations.

Many thanks for the detailed response. You and blurryhaze312 are eduacating me

So if I decide to not keep this Jagr jersey. What do you think is a fair price to sell it for?

If you blurryhaze312 or jeffshly owned and were to sell it, what would be your asking price?

[blurryhaze312]

Any time dude. This stuff is fun. It's never work talking about these things!

I personally would strip the Jagr stuff off, ifit were easy to be done and you know it will be clean when finished. I feel like the bad customization job is dragging down the value.

Even if you don't get it redone, a blank jersey from that era is probably worth more in the resale market than a badly customized one. My two cents anyways.

[jeffshly]

Many thanks for the detailed response. You and blurryhaze312 are eduacating me

So if I decide to not keep this Jagr jersey. What do you think is a fair price to sell it for?

If you blurryhaze312 or jeffshly owned and were to sell it, what would be your asking price?

Always happy to talk Pens jersey, Lesky! Not a problem at all!

I'm afraid to ask what you paid for the jersey, but if this was sold to you as being team-issued, it was definitely misrepresented. The numbers on this jersey are bad, but the nameplate is REALLY bad. It's autographed by Jagr, though, so I can understand wanting to keep it as a Jagr jersey. Assuming that autograph is real - and I have no reason to believe it's not - I'd guess the jersey to be in the $400 range. I'd agree with haze in that a blank of that same era is worth more than one that was customized this far away from team specs, but it is autographed by a future Hall of Famer. If this were my jersey, I'd look very hard into stripping the jersey of its numbers and letters and replacing it with ones matching team specs. The person who customized for the Penguins long ago no longer does them, but there are options. Given that there's a "stripping" involved, my first call would be to Keener Jerseys in Winnipeg, Canada. They can match this lettering exactly, and if anyone is going to know how to strip it cleanly, it'll be them. This might cost you $200, but you could easily sell an autographed Jagr jersey lettered to team specs for upwards of $1000.

Remember, in 1990-91 (Jagr's rookie season), they began the season with the previous year's jerseys, so Jagr actually played in jersey bearing the 1990 All Star Game patch on the left shoulder (see his O-Pee-Chee rookie card). They also won the Stanley Cup that year. You could add either patch (but not both!) to the jersey to make it a Jagr rookie jersey. The 1992 Finals (0r NHL 75th anniversary), Penguins 25th anniversary, and Badger Bob memorial patches can be added to make this a 1991-92 jersey, though haze can tell you those patches (especially the "Badger" patch) are really hard to find.

Either way, I know you're a huge Jagr fan. Make it your own, wear it proudly, and sell off one of your other ones!

[blurryhaze312]

though haze can tell you those patches (especially the "Badger" patch) are really hard to find.

[jeffshly]

Does this mean the end of Pens jersey with three stripes on them?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/adid ... ales-fall/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Great58]

HOH had road Edge 2.0 in now. My Christmas present is finally on it's way.

[Lesky]

Does this mean the end of Pens jersey with three stripes on them?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/adid ... ales-fall/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No? It will still be Adidas brand jersey right? And its Adidas that does the stripes, not CCM?

Sorry if I misunderstood your post!

[jeffshly]

Does this mean the end of Pens jersey with three stripes on them?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/adid ... ales-fall/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No? It will still be Adidas brand jersey right? And its Adidas that does the stripes, not CCM?

Sorry if I misunderstood your post!

It was my understanding that jerseys were going to be Adidas-branded, like the World Cup jerseys were this past year. But now, with Adidas looking to sell off the CCM brand, this could go away?

[KingPen66]

Does this mean the end of Pens jersey with three stripes on them?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/adid ... ales-fall/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No? It will still be Adidas brand jersey right? And its Adidas that does the stripes, not CCM?

Sorry if I misunderstood your post!

It was my understanding that jerseys were going to be Adidas-branded, like the World Cup jerseys were this past year. But now, with Adidas looking to sell off the CCM brand, this could go away?

This changes nothing for the Adidas branding on the jerseys. None of the current jerseys display the CCM tagging anymore anyway. Adidas is the parent company of Reebok, which is the parent company of CCM. Once Adidas bought Reebok, it bought all of its holdings as well. CCM is the equipment line that they are trying to sell. It is a completely separate entity from the Adidas jersey division. I have completed my booking for the Adidas branded jerseys for next year, and they will be delivered in September.

[BurghThing]

Speaking of Penguin jerseys, how much is that empty sweater with the 14 on the back worth?

[jeffshly]

This changes nothing for the Adidas branding on the jerseys. None of the current jerseys display the CCM tagging anymore anyway. Adidas is the parent company of Reebok, which is the parent company of CCM. Once Adidas bought Reebok, it bought all of its holdings as well. CCM is the equipment line that they are trying to sell. It is a completely separate entity from the Adidas jersey division. I have completed my booking for the Adidas branded jerseys for next year, and they will be delivered in September.

Thanks KingPen! I knew I could count on you!!

Speaking of Penguin jerseys, how much is that empty sweater with the 14 on the back worth?

Not sure I understand this question.

[Great58]

This changes nothing for the Adidas branding on the jerseys. None of the current jerseys display the CCM tagging anymore anyway. Adidas is the parent company of Reebok, which is the parent company of CCM. Once Adidas bought Reebok, it bought all of its holdings as well. CCM is the equipment line that they are trying to sell. It is a completely separate entity from the Adidas jersey division. I have completed my booking for the Adidas branded jerseys for next year, and they will be delivered in September.

Thanks KingPen! I knew I could count on you!!

Speaking of Penguin jerseys, how much is that empty sweater with the 14 on the back worth?

Not sure I understand this question.

I think he is saying the Kunitz is playing like a shell of his former self. Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

[BurghThing]

This changes nothing for the Adidas branding on the jerseys. None of the current jerseys display the CCM tagging anymore anyway. Adidas is the parent company of Reebok, which is the parent company of CCM. Once Adidas bought Reebok, it bought all of its holdings as well. CCM is the equipment line that they are trying to sell. It is a completely separate entity from the Adidas jersey division. I have completed my booking for the Adidas branded jerseys for next year, and they will be delivered in September.

Thanks KingPen! I knew I could count on you!!

Speaking of Penguin jerseys, how much is that empty sweater with the 14 on the back worth?

Not sure I understand this question.

I think he is saying the Kunitz is playing like a shell of his former self. Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

You are correct sir. Just letting off some steam after last night's game.

[jeffshly]

You are correct sir. Just letting off some steam after last night's game.

Got it! Us old guys, we take things too literally! I was actually out looking up values on Kunitz jerseys!

[IntangibleBeer]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I'm not sorry at all about my opinion.

I have to say that as jerseys go, the Stadium Series jerseys are absolutely horrible.

I think you have to go back to the Vancouver black "V" uniforms to find something nearly as ugly.

They look like someone cut arm holes in a yellow burlap sack. The only positive aspect of them is the "City of Champions" patch.

[Great58]

My new edge 2.0 crosby away sweater is now 1-0 in "in-home" use. Should bring good juju for this spring's road games.

[jeffshly]

Sorry if this has been covered before, but I'm not sorry at all about my opinion.

I have to say that as jerseys go, the Stadium Series jerseys are absolutely horrible.

I think you have to go back to the Vancouver black "V" uniforms to find something nearly as ugly.

They look like someone cut arm holes in a yellow burlap sack. The only positive aspect of them is the "City of Champions" patch.

I'm with you! I like the lettering, and the patchwork is nice, but there's too much gold when you consider the socks and helmets. I didn't like their gold jerseys back in the early 80's, either.

[Lesky]

Can someone tell me about the "tagging" to the left of the Pro Player "tagging, which says "NHL PLAYER".

What is that for tagging? And why does it appear randomly on some Pro Player jerseys only? I have several of that jammies pro player, and I believe only one jersey has that tag.

Also that "NHL PLAYER" tagging seems to be random on several other jerseys as well, a 1992-1993 MASKA Diagonal Penguins jersey has it and a few others I cant recall immediately.

Whats the deal with it? I have never understood it.

I am sure for some of experts on here its clear cut why its there?

[jeffshly]

I've seen these before, and to your point, they do seem pretty random. From what I've been able to gather, some customizers used them and some didn't. I think this was a measure that was taken to help people discern between "real" jerseys and counterfeit ones, as the Starter "jammie" jerseys were the first one where Asian counterfeiting had become prevalent. Needless to say, they just started counterfeiting these tags, too. For what it's worth, the tagging in game worn jerseys of this era is minimal. I just picked up a Hans Jonsson gamer like this from 2001-02. See for yourself - http://jeffshly.weebly.com/2001-02-koho ... nsson.html.

[KBone]

I thought that was supposed to go on any jersey customized with a player name.
Sort of an NHLPA kind of mark saying, "Hey, a portion of this jersey sales goes to NHLPA because it's got a player name on it."