Crosby and Penguins All-Time Records

[FLPensFan]

With Crosby signing his deal, and Rob Rossi writing an article that briefly touched on the subject then went a completely different direction....thought I'd look at what records Crosby may break during potentially his last 3 years in the league:

All-time Penguins records:
--Goals, 690 Lemieux -- Crosby, 592 (If Sid only plays 3 seasons, this one is going to be a tough one to surpass. He'll need to average 33 goals per season)
--Assists, 1033 Lemieux -- Crosby, 1004 (Sid will break this one this year)
--Points, 1723 Lemieux -- Crosby, 1596 (Sid should break one in the 25-26 season)
--Penalty Minutes, 1160 Malkin -- Crosby, 823 (Sid won't break this one, but he'll pass Lemieux who is at 834)
--Plus/Minus, +217 Crosby (Outdated stat, but Sid already leads this category; Jagr 2nd at 207, nobody else above 126)
--PPG, 236 Lemieux -- Crosby, 172 (Doubtful Sid catches Mario, especially the way our PP is going. Over the last 3 years, Sid has only 27 PPG)
--SHG, 49 Lemieux -- Crosby, 4 (Um....no way).
--GWG, 90 Crosby
--OT goals, 20 Crosby

In terms of single season team records, there's only 2 items I see that Crosby could beat:
--12 GWG set by Jagr in 95-96; Crosby's high is 9 GWG
--Crosby is tied with 3 others with 3 OT goals. He could stand alone at the top if he gets 4 or more OT goals.

In terms of league records...per Rob Rossi, he can pass Gretzky for most consecutive seasons averaging over a point per game, and he can pass Yzerman in most seasons as team captain. There are some other more minor things he could lead in or does lead in (goals per 60 for the team, etc, etc), but these are the major ones I could find rather quickly.

If Crosby plays only 3 more years, and averages 90 points per season, he'll finish as the 4th leading scorer all time, behind Gretzky, Jagr, and Messier.

[Puck-Lurker]

With Crosby signing his deal, and Rob Rossi writing an article that briefly touched on the subject then went a completely different direction....thought I'd look at what records Crosby may break during potentially his last 3 years in the league:

All-time Penguins records:
--Goals, 690 Lemieux -- Crosby, 592 (If Sid only plays 3 seasons, this one is going to be a tough one to surpass. He'll need to average 33 goals per season)
--Assists, 1033 Lemieux -- Crosby, 1004 (Sid will break this one this year)
--Points, 1723 Lemieux -- Crosby, 1596 (Sid should break one in the 25-26 season)
--Penalty Minutes, 1160 Malkin -- Crosby, 823 (Sid won't break this one, but he'll pass Lemieux who is at 834)
--Plus/Minus, +217 Crosby (Outdated stat, but Sid already leads this category; Jagr 2nd at 207, nobody else above 126)
--PPG, 236 Lemieux -- Crosby, 172 (Doubtful Sid catches Mario, especially the way our PP is going. Over the last 3 years, Sid has only 27 PPG)
--SHG, 49 Lemieux -- Crosby, 4 (Um....no way).
--GWG, 90 Crosby
--OT goals, 20 Crosby

In terms of single season team records, there's only 2 items I see that Crosby could beat:
--12 GWG set by Jagr in 95-96; Crosby's high is 9 GWG
--Crosby is tied with 3 others with 3 OT goals. He could stand alone at the top if he gets 4 or more OT goals.

In terms of league records...per Rob Rossi, he can pass Gretzky for most consecutive seasons averaging over a point per game, and he can pass Yzerman in most seasons as team captain. There are some other more minor things he could lead in or does lead in (goals per 60 for the team, etc, etc), but these are the major ones I could find rather quickly.

If Crosby plays only 3 more years, and averages 90 points per season, he'll finish as the 4th leading scorer all time, behind Gretzky, Jagr, and Messier.

There's always that PPG record he sorta ties with Gretzky, if he gets to 82 points that'll be his alone too.

SHG: Teddy Blueger and Letang with 5, Rust with 6. Lol

Crosby isn't out there on the PK unless there's just seconds left to kill

[RentedMule66]

If Crosby ends up pretty close to 2000 points after three years, I wonder if he would continue playing to possibly be only the second person to hit that landmark. I’m sure it all depends on his health and how he is playing, but he sure is getting close to that mark.

[RentedMule66]

Lemieux had like 16 shorthanded goals one year. Just absolutely insane.

[KG]

If Crosby ends up pretty close to 2000 points after three years, I wonder if he would continue playing to possibly be only the second person to hit that landmark. I’m sure it all depends on his health and how he is playing, but he sure is getting close to that mark.

That is what I was thinking and hoping he does. As long as Sid is playing at a high level, I think he will want to keep going. To be the 2nd player to ever get 2,000+ points is a remarkable achievement. Also, I wonder if he wants to keep going, knowing that McDavid will be breaking records potentially as well.

I would think there is some ego in this.

[FLPensFan]

Lemieux had like 16 shorthanded goals one year. Just absolutely insane.

13 of them. I remember that season well, because it was his best season ever. 85 goals, 119 assists, 199 points, 31 power play goals, 13 short handed goals. All of those numbers led the league in that category. It was also his first year in the playoffs, the same season he scored 5 goals 5 ways (8 points on the night), as well as a 5 goal game and 8 points in a playoff game against the Flyers (the famous Hextall chases Robbie Brown game)

88-89 was easily Lemieux's best season ever. He missed 4 games that season and averaged 2.61 points per game. He was held scoreless only 8 times that regular season, and held to a single point only 19 times. 49 other games, he had 2 points or more, including 2 8-point games (STL regular season was the other), a 7 and a 6 point game, plus 8 5-point games.

Just absolutely amazing.

[Puck-Lurker]

Lemieux was just inhuman though. So far ahead of the pack. Just nuts. I'd pick him if asked for the greatest hockey player of all time, without even thinking. It's cool that people are enamoured with Gretzky, one of the greatest ever. He's no Mario.

[Antonio]

Lemieux was just inhuman though. So far ahead of the pack. Just nuts. I'd pick him if asked for the greatest hockey player of all time, without even thinking. It's cool that people are enamoured with Gretzky, one of the greatest ever. He's no Mario.

Gretzky won out and is where he is because of health, longevity, and I would say overall better average teams and teammates through his career. Greatest player ever to lace them up in my opinion is lemieux and there's just no question. Don't get me wrong, records are not Gretzky was incredible player, but I don't think anyone comes close to Mario when it comes to sheer raw talent and physical gift. If he had had been blessed with top tier health than it wouldn't even be close, and it's even more incredible when we talk about the health issues he went through not even factoring in things like actual **** cancer.

[FLPensFan]

Lemieux was just inhuman though. So far ahead of the pack. Just nuts. I'd pick him if asked for the greatest hockey player of all time, without even thinking. It's cool that people are enamoured with Gretzky, one of the greatest ever. He's no Mario.

Gretzky won out and is where he is because of health, longevity, and I would say overall better average teams and teammates through his career. Greatest player ever to lace them up in my opinion is lemieux and there's just no question. Don't get me wrong, records are not Gretzky was incredible player, but I don't think anyone comes close to Mario when it comes to sheer raw talent and physical gift. If he had had been blessed with top tier health than it wouldn't even be close, and it's even more incredible when we talk about the health issues he went through not even factoring in things like actual **** cancer.

I think Mario is the best pure goal scorer in the game, EVER, no matter the records. Wrist shot, slap shot, backhand, break away...he could score any way...even strength, PP, SH. And on the same token, I think Gretzky is the best pure passer in the game. Lemieux's assist numbers may be higher, though, if he had better linemates for a good part of his career. Lemieux would have had over 1100 goals at his goal per game pace, if he played as many games as Gretzky.

I can only imagine what Lemieux could do without the two-line pass, too.

[Antonio]

You know it's funny, I honestly forgot about the two line pass. Great point. It's been so long since they took it out, even though I watched it for so many years I forgot about it.

Yeah he was such a magnificent dominating force, words can't even describe the joy it was to watch. I remember those years where if they were down going into the third, I genuinely was excited because I fully expected every time that Mario and company would just amp it up so much because they were down that they would come back and win.

[ahawk9]

Mario's health cost him the most goals and points in league history, no doubt at all. Also, it always bugged me that he ended his best points year with 199 - he missed 4 games that season, so had he played them all he was looking at 205-210 points.

And, yes, Mario's teams were far below Gretzky's in talent for a long, long time. I always say that if you switched the two players and put Gretzky on the mid-to-late-'80s Pens & Lemieux with those Oilers teams, Mario would have had 250 points in a season at least once. Gretz didn't get pounded like Lemieux did, either. He had Semenko to maim anyone who came near him, and Mario didn't have that for a while.

[Zalapski33]

Mario Lemieux spent his first 4 Years with aging or below average veteran players in Warren Young,Wilf Paiement,Charlie Simmer,Willy Lindstrom,Doug Shedden,Mike Blaisdell,and Dwight Mathiasen as his Wingers.And still put up 57,93,53 and 98 Assists during those years.

His ability to play without the puck and find ways to create opportunities with a minimum amount of time with the puck on his stick was unrivaled.
Skated as well as any player that size ever has.Could handle the puck with brilliant finesse and skill.
Took more physical punishment,illegal hits,dealt with guys shadowing him and still produced numbers that will likely never be seen again.

His Goal Scoring ability is only rivaled by Mike Bossy and Ovechkin being at the Top in NHL History, with no disrepect to the Greatness from Ovechkin and Wayne Gretzky.Could score Goals in more spectacular ways than any one to ever step on the ice.

FLPens Fan is dead on.Imagine what Mario Lemieux would have done without the 2 Line Pass?

The Greatest Talent this Sport has ever seen.

[KG]

Mario Lemieux spent his first 4 Years with aging or below average veteran players in Warren Young,Wilf Paiement,Charlie Simmer,Willy Lindstrom,Doug Shedden,Mike Blaisdell,and Dwight Mathiasen as his Wingers.And still put up 57,93,54 and 98 Assists during those years.

His ability to play without the puck and find ways to create opportunities with a minimum amount of time with the puck on his stick was unrivaled.
Skated as well as any player that size ever has.Could handle the puck with brilliant finesse and skill.
Took more physical punishment,illegal hits,dealt with guys shadowing him and still produced numbers that will likely never be seen again.

His Goal Scoring ability is only rivaled by Mike Bossy and Ovechkin being at the Top in NHL History, with no disrepect to the Greatness from Alex Ovechkin and Wayne Gretzky.Could score Goals in more spectacular ways than any one to ever step on the ice.

FLPens Fan is dead on.Imagine what Mario Lemieux would have done without the 2 Line Pass?

The Greatest Talent this Sport has ever seen.

Good to see Zalapski33 back! A new season is almost upon us!

[Zalapski33]

Mario Lemieux spent his first 4 Years with aging or below average veteran players in Warren Young,Wilf Paiement,Charlie Simmer,Willy Lindstrom,Doug Shedden,Mike Blaisdell,and Dwight Mathiasen as his Wingers.And still put up 57,93,54 and 98 Assists during those years.

His ability to play without the puck and find ways to create opportunities with a minimum amount of time with the puck on his stick was unrivaled.
Skated as well as any player that size ever has.Could handle the puck with brilliant finesse and skill.
Took more physical punishment,illegal hits,dealt with guys shadowing him and still produced numbers that will likely never be seen again.

His Goal Scoring ability is only rivaled by Mike Bossy and Ovechkin being at the Top in NHL History, with no disrepect to the Greatness from Alex Ovechkin and Wayne Gretzky.Could score Goals in more spectacular ways than any one to ever step on the ice.

FLPens Fan is dead on.Imagine what Mario Lemieux would have done without the 2 Line Pass?

The Greatest Talent this Sport has ever seen.

Good to see Zalapski33 back! A new season is almost upon us!

KG,Thank You for the Kind words.
You and all the knowledgeable fellow members here make this a great place to be a part of.

[100565]

The way 66 would take over some (many) games and just dominate was incredible. He was always on another level but sometimes he could not be stopped.

I think 87 sets some all time Penguin records but he ain’t no 66. Nobody is.