Pettersson and DOC to Canucks

[FLPensFan]

Great value the Pens extracted from the Canucks. They're doing exactly what they should be doing relative to their aging core and position in the standings.

Welcome to the board. 100% agree. I would also add that, I see a stronger chance of Pettersson returning to the Penguins over the summer than I saw for Guentzel to do so. Pettersson is not going to break the bank, and if they feel he might be their best option on LD next year, doesn't hurt to go back to him.

Dubas didn't negotiate with Pettersson at all, even though his camp made it known Pettersson wanted to stay in Pittsburgh. Maybe Dubas was at least smart enough to say, we need to see how the season plays out before having a discussion and in the event that we do trade Marcus in season, we would be open to having a discussion on a contract over the summer.

Pickering should hopefully be here full time next year on LD. Other than that, we don't have anyone on LD in the system that really has a chance. Pieniniemi is lighting up the OHL this year, 5th in scoring by defensemen. I would assume he'll need at least a full year in WBS next season before having any possibility of making the jump to the NHL. Brunicke, I'm hoping he impresses and forces his way onto the roster next season...but he's a RD.

Pickering, bringing back POJ (he's an RFA), and re-signing Pettersson on LD, plus Ryan Graves if we can't dump him.

[Michael74]

Great value the Pens extracted from the Canucks. They're doing exactly what they should be doing relative to their aging core and position in the standings.

Welcome to the board. 100% agree. I would also add that, I see a stronger chance of Pettersson returning to the Penguins over the summer than I saw for Guentzel to do so. Pettersson is not going to break the bank, and if they feel he might be their best option on LD next year, doesn't hurt to go back to him.

Dubas didn't negotiate with Pettersson at all, even though his camp made it known Pettersson wanted to stay in Pittsburgh. Maybe Dubas was at least smart enough to say, we need to see how the season plays out before having a discussion and in the event that we do trade Marcus in season, we would be open to having a discussion on a contract over the summer.

Pickering should hopefully be here full time next year on LD. Other than that, we don't have anyone on LD in the system that really has a chance. Pieniniemi is lighting up the OHL this year, 5th in scoring by defensemen. I would assume he'll need at least a full year in WBS next season before having any possibility of making the jump to the NHL. Brunicke, I'm hoping he impresses and forces his way onto the roster next season...but he's a RD.

Pickering, bringing back POJ (he's an RFA), and re-signing Pettersson on LD, plus Ryan Graves if we can't dump him.

Thanks for the warm welcome, much appreciated! I'm pretty optimistic for the future though. It just may take some time to garner the necessary pieces to climb out of the hole we're in. It comes down to drafting and developing. We need to start drafting centers because we're pretty thin there prospect wise. I do like the goaltending with Blom and Murashov.

[KG]

Vancouver signs MP 6 years $5.5AAV.

No idea why MP would sign a deal now with the cap going up unless it was an overpay.

This wasn’t.

[Michael74]

Vancouver signs MP 6 years $5.5AAV.

No idea why MP would sign a deal now with the cap going up unless it was an overpay.

This wasn’t.

Nice work by Allvin and JR.

[FLPensFan]

Vancouver signs MP 6 years $5.5AAV.

No idea why MP would sign a deal now with the cap going up unless it was an overpay.

This wasn’t.

Nice work by Allvin and JR.

AFP had him at 5 years, 5.8M AAV, so he got his projected value. He doesn't provide enough offense to really push for 6M+

[Michael74]

Vancouver signs MP 6 years $5.5AAV.

No idea why MP would sign a deal now with the cap going up unless it was an overpay.

This wasn’t.

Nice work by Allvin and JR.

AFP had him at 5 years, 5.8M AAV, so he got his projected value. He doesn't provide enough offense to really push for 6M+

Under the current cap maybe. But it'll go up appreciably, so I see this as a very good deal for the Canucks. If he went to free agency I suspect one or two GM's would offer more. And it only takes one GM to drive it up.

[Victor]

Vancouver signs MP 6 years $5.5AAV.

No idea why MP would sign a deal now with the cap going up unless it was an overpay.

This wasn’t.

Full NMC for the first 3 years, then it becomes a 15-team NTC.

[Pens4Life]

Good deal for both parties I think, MP lacks a bit of offense to get bigger deal and Canucks secured top 4 D for next years on solid team friendly deal.

If Pens were still competing, like seriously, he could've resigned here for that money..

[KG]

Fernstrom just won SHL rookie of the year. Intriguing prospect for sure.

[KG]

[Victor]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

[Puck-Lurker]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

[Daniel]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

[FLPensFan]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

[pens_CT]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

I believe in the past NCAA players who were drafted couldn't attend NHL training camps unless they paid their own way. Does this Nil situation now allow these guys to go to camp or do they have to sign and give uo their college eligibility before they can attend?

[Pens4Life]

I hope Dubas signs Fernstrom asap..

[pens_CT]

I hope Dubas signs Fernstrom asap..

He will let him play another year in the SHL and then will sign him.

[Puck-Lurker]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Yeah only the CHL leagues are affected.

[Daniel]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

[Gunnerfan]

Can Fernström join WBS next season, or is it NHL or SHL for him? He only turns 20 next February, so maybe another season in Sweden is what's best for him.

He's an interesting prospect for sure.

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

One of two things will happen here in the near future. Actually, one has already started.
1. A player will soon take them to court and win. Its enevidable.
2. They will lose players to college hockey. We will start seeing a migration from the CHL to US College hockey next year. Add NIL to this and it could spell the death of Major Jr hockey in Canada as we know it.

[Daniel]

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

One of two things will happen here in the near future. Actually, one has already started.
1. A player will soon take them to court and win. Its enevidable.
2. They will lose players to college hockey. We will start seeing a migration from the CHL to US College hockey next year. Add NIL to this and it could spell the death of Major Jr hockey in Canada as we know it.

How much does college hockey even use a likeness for players? I imagine the player would have to be at the Sid or McDavid level just to get noticed and those players would likely stay home to get that top pick in the draft and go immediately to the NHL.

[Pruezy11881]

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

One of two things will happen here in the near future. Actually, one has already started.
1. A player will soon take them to court and win. Its enevidable.
2. They will lose players to college hockey. We will start seeing a migration from the CHL to US College hockey next year. Add NIL to this and it could spell the death of Major Jr hockey in Canada as we know it.

Agreed. That has already started in the O for sure. For example, Malcolm Spence won't be back to Erie Otters...committed to Michigan.

[Puck-Lurker]

As of right now, he's an unsigned draft pick; Pens have his rights.

There is an agreement between the SHL and NHL. Doesn't do much more than require NHL teams to pay 35K or whatever for any player being signed while under contract in Sweden.

It's nothing like the CHL/NHL CBA. That agreement forces NHL teams with CHL draftees under contract to return the player to the CHL until they're 20 unless they're on the NHL roster.


Yeah he can come to the AHL if signed. If he doesn't have any realistic chance of getting to the NHL though, I imagine he stays in Sweden. The SHL doesn't pay near as much as the NHL, but it's bound to be better than the AHL.

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

One of two things will happen here in the near future. Actually, one has already started.
1. A player will soon take them to court and win. Its enevidable.
2. They will lose players to college hockey. We will start seeing a migration from the CHL to US College hockey next year. Add NIL to this and it could spell the death of Major Jr hockey in Canada as we know it.

Players will take the path that will most likely take them to the NHL.

NCAA *can* skip time in terms of getting to the NHL compared to the juniors route. If you're good enough, you can enter into the AHL before 20. Most still don't though. As a recruitment league though, it's gained a lot of traction. Picking up a degree while pursuing a pro career is attractive. And scouts are watching college hockey closely.


I don't think there's a good way to challenge this in a court. The agreement is between the NHL and the combined three junior leagues. Those are in turn represented by owners and players associations, unless I'm reading wrong.

[Gunnerfan]

Is it different for Europe or are they still required to be 20 to go to the AHL? He doesn't turn 20 until next February.

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

One of two things will happen here in the near future. Actually, one has already started.
1. A player will soon take them to court and win. Its enevidable.
2. They will lose players to college hockey. We will start seeing a migration from the CHL to US College hockey next year. Add NIL to this and it could spell the death of Major Jr hockey in Canada as we know it.

How much does college hockey even use a likeness for players? I imagine the player would have to be at the Sid or McDavid level just to get noticed and those players would likely stay home to get that top pick in the draft and go immediately to the NHL.

Likeness is just a catchphrase for money to play. The CHL cannot keep up with the Big10 and Hockey East division money. Individual programs like Western Michigan now have massively deep pockets and will plunder the best players. It's already started.

[Daniel]

The age 20 to AHL rule only applies to Junior hockey (OHL, WHL, QMJHL). College or Europe are not subject to the must be 20 rule.

College may complicate things in the near future, as I can't remember who it was (good drafted player and brother of another NHLer) who was returning to college because of the potential NIL money he could earn versus getting only an ELC.

Still a horrible rule. I wonder how often a Canadian player drops because of that rule. Probably not in the 1st or even 2nd, but maybe if you're going to gamble on 4th/5th round kid. Someone that you know could earn a spot at the AHL level to get into the organization to develop quicker.

One of two things will happen here in the near future. Actually, one has already started.
1. A player will soon take them to court and win. Its enevidable.
2. They will lose players to college hockey. We will start seeing a migration from the CHL to US College hockey next year. Add NIL to this and it could spell the death of Major Jr hockey in Canada as we know it.

How much does college hockey even use a likeness for players? I imagine the player would have to be at the Sid or McDavid level just to get noticed and those players would likely stay home to get that top pick in the draft and go immediately to the NHL.

Likeness is just a catchphrase for money to play. The CHL cannot keep up with the Big10 and Hockey East division money. Individual programs like Western Michigan now have massively deep pockets and will plunder the best players. It's already started.

Fair point. I go back and forth on my opinion about NIL. On one hand a lot of these kids are getting scholarship (if that's subtracted I have no idea and it could be) and part of the agreement used to be the money the player generates for the university. On the other hand, probably less than 2% of the athletes from college even make a living at the sport. Difficult subjet for sure.