History Thread

[bigkam]

Perhaps we should force the men who start the wars to fight them. I don't know a single person who has lived through combat who was "fond" of it; maybe that would solve our problem? I think that gets to the heart of the Lee quote from above.

[Gaucho]

The Germans are usually very fond of war until they get their butts whipped.

[shafnutz05]

The Germans are usually very fond of war until they get their butts whipped.

As an aside, I did a term paper on Bismarck vs. Wilhelm. Oy. Wilhelm was as awful as Bismarck was brilliant

[Avyran]

A picture from Times Square as the D-Day invasion occurred. Spoiled due to size; made the pic clickable to open in a new window. Colorized by this guy.

Spoiler:

[SolidSnake]

Thats awesome

[Troy Loney]

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9315 ... d-all-wars" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just read this book about World War One. Focusing on the patriotism and protest in Britain. It does it by chronicling the experiences of prominent people on both ends from the lead up to the war and it's end. I think the period that preceded World War One is the most interesting period in recent human history.

Also really interesting to learn about the boer war. The view of warfare at the time by the people in charge was heavily influenced by their experience in colonial wars.

Probably the biggest mistake in human history because it didn't finally resolve itself until the nazis and the atomic bomb.

[Pavel Bure]

Sons of Liberty... Wtf... I guess it shouldn't annoy me but it's on history channel. It's not a bad show but it's really rubbing me the wrong way for some reason.

[shafnutz05]

Sons of Liberty... Wtf... I guess it shouldn't annoy me but it's on history channel. It's not a bad show but it's really rubbing me the wrong way for some reason.

Just wait until Ben Franklin is introduced.

[Pavel Bure]

Sons of Liberty... Wtf... I guess it shouldn't annoy me but it's on history channel. It's not a bad show but it's really rubbing me the wrong way for some reason.

Just wait until Ben Franklin is introduced.

He already was. And the forced hey the Americans sound like Americans of 2k15 is more annoying.

[Pavel Bure]

And God the super obvious Adams hooking up with the generals wife cause MERICA!!! And stuff

[shafnutz05]

Lolol. I found myself getting peeved too. Norris doesn't even try to fake a colonial accent. He sounds like ASAC HANK SCHRADER

[Pavel Bure]

Yessssss target practice on apples cause the materials that are used to fire a musket were totally in abundance for poor colonials at the time.

[The U]

No mention of Dan Carlin's HARDCORE HISTORY podcast in this thread?

Just finished "Blueprint for Armageddon 1, 2, 3, 4, 5" and was hooked in about 10 minutes.

I wish he could come out with these more frequently but the timing and planning required for each episode must be insane.

[newarenanow]

Sons of Liberty... Wtf... I guess it shouldn't annoy me but it's on history channel. It's not a bad show but it's really rubbing me the wrong way for some reason.

Like I said earlier, it was set up I guess to be more "modern" and an action/adventure type mini series with no historical relevance even implemented into it. On it's own, it was decent. But if you were looking at historical accuracy and more of the traditional type mini series related to that time, then you'd be disappointed.

[newarenanow]

And God the super obvious Adams hooking up with the generals wife cause MERICA!!! And stuff

Joseph Warren hooked up with her.

[BuckintheLou]

Yes, the good doc. But woe to the man who may trespass on another's property!
Thou shalt not commit adultery!

[Pavel Bure]

And God the super obvious Adams hooking up with the generals wife cause MERICA!!! And stuff

Joseph Warren hooked up with her.

MERICA!!!!

[bigkam]

With all the talk about "Sons of Liberty", thought I would post the link to the following blog. The guy goes through episode by episode and chronicles the historical crapola. For me, it's been a truly disappointing series; it's not even close to the real history. And the sad part is that the true story should have been good enough.

http://allthingsliberty.com/2015/01/dis ... ty-series/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DropEmJayBird]

Yeah sons of liberty - they go and do something like introducing Gage's wife as possibly leaking information - which actually may have been true considering she was shipped out of Boston right after Lexington and Concord - but then they go and blow it by having her sleeping with Warren in order to connect the dots.

Never mind - saw he covers this and that historians now believe Gage's wife didn't tip anything off - and was sent home for safety which makes sense. I believe either "Paul Revere's Ride" by Fisher was a book I had read in which Gage's wife was hinted as someone who may have fed information to the colonists.

[bigkam]

Yeah sons of liberty - they go and do something like introducing Gage's wife as possibly leaking information - which actually may have been true considering she was shipped out of Boston right after Lexington and Concord - but then they go and blow it by having her sleeping with Warren in order to connect the dots.

Never mind - saw he covers this and that historians now believe Gage's wife didn't tip anything off - and was sent home for safety which makes sense. I believe either "Paul Revere's Ride" by Fisher was a book I had read in which Gage's wife was hinted as someone who may have fed information to the colonists.

I have seen multiple historians hint that she may have been tipping information--whether on purpose or by accident. From what I can tell, it remains one of the things that may have happened, but we probably will never be able to prove it conclusively. I just don't think all of the exaggerations and story-lines needed to be added to make it interesting. I'm going to have to dispel all of that crap when my students try to tell me "how it really happened".

[tifosi77]

Perhaps we should force the men who start the wars to fight them. I don't know a single person who has lived through combat who was "fond" of it; maybe that would solve our problem? I think that gets to the heart of the Lee quote from above.

I don't know that it is necessary to force the politicians who vote for war to go fight them. But there should be a consequence for getting the country into misadventures like Iraq.

There were only 156 members of Congress who voted against going into Iraq, only six of whom were 'R's. I would like to see a tally of how many of the remaining 379 members of Congress are still serving in the body, or who left voluntarily. To me, that's the true the meaning of the Lee quote. We as a society don't even care enough about the consequences of war to rid ourselves of politicians who lead us to needless conflict under the banner of 'patriotism'.

[tifosi77]

Not sure where else this should go..... I follow the International Council of Airshows on FB, and they posted this update this afternoon:

To honor the heroes who fought in World War II and the those on the home front who helped to produce the tanks, ships and aircraft that enabled the United States and its Allies to achieve Victory, a consortium of groups -- including ICAS -- are working together to organize and conduct a fly-over of vintage World War II aircraft over the skies of Washington, DC on Friday, May 8th, the 70th anniversary of Victory in Europe (VE) Day.

The Arsenal of Democracy World War II Victory Capitol Fly-Over will coincide with a ceremony for veterans at the World War II National Memorial near the Washington Monument on the National Mall. The fly-over will include a vast assortment of World War II aircraft flying overhead in historically sequenced formations.

Approximately two dozen different types of vintage military aircraft are expected to participate in the fly-over. Aircraft are being provided by multiple organizations, many of which are ICAS members.

The event itself is being organized by ICAS, the Commemorative Air Force, the General Aviation Manufacturers Association, the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, and the Texas Flying Legends Museum.

Former President George H.W. Bush, former U.S. Senator Bob Dole and former U.S. Congressman John Dingell, all World War II veterans, are serving as honorary co-chairs of the event. Representative Sam Graves and Senator James Inhofe are involved as co-chairs of the Honorary Congressional Committee.

"From time to time, we need to remind ourselves just how much we have accomplished as a nation, said ICAS President John Cudahy. "May's Arsenal of Democracy fly-over will provide us with exactly that kind of opportunity...a chance to recognize those men and women who made the sacrifices necessary to preserve freedom here at home and around the world...a moment in time to reflect on the awesome power of this country and its people when we focus on a common goal."

This is a legit once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing.

[shafnutz05]

Wow, I might actually attend that...drive down Thursday evening, come back Saturday morning. That sounds nice.

[tifosi77]

I saw something similar to this a couple years ago. 2011 was the Centennial Of Naval Aviation, and they started the year long celebration by having one of these air parade things at NAS North Island in San Diego. There was at least one example of every airworthy aircraft that had ever served the USN and/or USMC. Ended with a fly over by Carrier Air Wing 9. Pretty cool stuff, but seeing this collection of warbirds over D.C.?? Priceless.

[Geezer]

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9315 ... d-all-wars

Just read this book about World War One. Focusing on the patriotism and protest in Britain. It does it by chronicling the experiences of prominent people on both ends from the lead up to the war and it's end. I think the period that preceded World War One is the most interesting period in recent human history.

Also really interesting to learn about the boer war. The view of warfare at the time by the people in charge was heavily influenced by their experience in colonial wars.

Probably the biggest mistake in human history because it didn't finally resolve itself until the nazis and the atomic bomb.

I've started reading more about other wars in the 10-20 years prior to WWI.I don't think that the Spanish American Wars , Sino -Japan Wars or the Boxer rebellion directly affected WWI but they were significant. Two Albanian Revolts against the Turks may have been a start to other balkan conflicts.
The Russo-Japan war appears to have impacted Russia in regards to a weakened image to Germany, the loss of 2 naval fleets and the rise of internal Russian strife.
The Balkan wars against the Ottoman empire kicked the Turks out of Europe. The first ended Ottoman rule. The second was a fight over territory between Bulgaria and former Balkan allies Serbia, Montenegro and Romania. Bulgaria then sided with Austro Hungary , Germany, and Turkey against the Serbs in WWI. The population losses to Serbia and Bulgaria in these conflicts were surprisingly high.