2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

[Skatingpen]

Saad to the Knights

[FLPensFan]

Boqvist to the Islanders

[FLPensFan]

I read an article the other day on Bleacher Report from Adam Gretz about 5 potential Pens trades. Here are the deals he laid out:

1. Pens trade Pettersson to Edmonton for Podkolzin and a 2nd (the same St. Louis' 2nd round pick that the Pens owned at one point from the Hayes trade)
2. Pens trade DOC to Tampa Bay for a pick (mentions that TB has 2-2nds and 2-4ths next year)
3. Pens trade Grzelcyk to Florida for a pick (mentions Florida has multiple 4th & 5th round picks)
4. Pens trade Beauvillier to Vegas for a pick (mentions a mid-to-late-round pick)
5. Pens trade Rakell to the Kings for a young player (mentions Alex Turcotte)

The middle 3 are ok, take the highest bid you can get. DOC is the only one I'd consider keeping if the offers aren't any better than a 4th/5th.

Thoughts on the other two?

I think I like the idea of Podkolzin over Hoglander from the often talked about Vancouver deal, but the pick will likely be a little lower assuming Edmonton goes further than Vancouver this year. I'd probably be okay that one.

For the Kings deal, I like the idea of targeting one of their young NHL ready players. I just don't know enough about any of their outlooks to judge fair market value for a player like Rakell. With the right player and pick/prospects to even it out, I'd be okay with something like that as well.

Anyway, all conjecture, but figured I'd share.
 
(Apologies for not including a link, not sure what the protocol is in a case like this)

Here's the link to the original article Gretz Penguins Trade

My thoughts....

1) Not a big fan. I've soured a bit on Hoglander too, but, while both Podz and Hoglander have not hit their draft potential, Hoglander has produced more at the NHL level to date. Hoglander had a 24 goal, 36 point season last year. Podkolzin's best year was his rookie year, 14 goals, 26 points. I like Podkolzin's size, but I think Hoglander has the better chance to put up solid 3rd or even low end 2nd line numbers.

2) If we got DOC for a 2nd, I'd probably take it. Otherwise, I'd rather try and include him in another deal to get a better prospect or young player back.

3 & 4) Kind of same thing....pick might be their value, but I think unless he's getting a 1st - 3rd, Dubas would rather have a prospect.

5) If we traded Pettersson for either Podkolzin or Hoglander plus a pick, I'd need to get something more substantial. Turcotte is yet another high end draft pick that hasn't lived up to 5th overall draft. We need to get a prospect or young player that has more guaranteed upside. We can't trade for a bunch of Tomasino, Glass, Beauvillier, Puljujarvi guys that we are hoping pan out. If we made a deal with the Kings, I'd ask for one of Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence, both young RD. With Doughty coming back, LA had Clarke as a healthy scratch last game.

It will be interesting to see who is traded and what Dubas can pull off at the deadline.

[KG]

Boqvist to the Islanders

Not that I wanted Boqvist necessarily but us being at 49/50 contracts isn’t ideal. Gives KD very little wiggle room to add. If the rumors are true that he is looking for young players over picks and prospects we better start shedding some fat off this roster sooner than later.

[FLPensFan]

Boqvist to the Islanders

Not that I wanted Boqvist necessarily but us being at 49/50 contracts isn’t ideal. Gives KD very little wiggle room to add. If the rumors are true that he is looking for young players over picks and prospects we better start shedding some fat off this roster sooner than later.

Start by trading a Beauvillier, Acciari, or Grzelcyk off the roster. Other way is, trading two players in a deal, like an MP and DOC in the same deal.

[Puck-Lurker]

I read an article the other day on Bleacher Report from Adam Gretz about 5 potential Pens trades. Here are the deals he laid out:

1. Pens trade Pettersson to Edmonton for Podkolzin and a 2nd (the same St. Louis' 2nd round pick that the Pens owned at one point from the Hayes trade)
2. Pens trade DOC to Tampa Bay for a pick (mentions that TB has 2-2nds and 2-4ths next year)
3. Pens trade Grzelcyk to Florida for a pick (mentions Florida has multiple 4th & 5th round picks)
4. Pens trade Beauvillier to Vegas for a pick (mentions a mid-to-late-round pick)
5. Pens trade Rakell to the Kings for a young player (mentions Alex Turcotte)

The middle 3 are ok, take the highest bid you can get. DOC is the only one I'd consider keeping if the offers aren't any better than a 4th/5th.

Thoughts on the other two?

I think I like the idea of Podkolzin over Hoglander from the often talked about Vancouver deal, but the pick will likely be a little lower assuming Edmonton goes further than Vancouver this year. I'd probably be okay that one.

For the Kings deal, I like the idea of targeting one of their young NHL ready players. I just don't know enough about any of their outlooks to judge fair market value for a player like Rakell. With the right player and pick/prospects to even it out, I'd be okay with something like that as well.

Anyway, all conjecture, but figured I'd share.
 
(Apologies for not including a link, not sure what the protocol is in a case like this)

Here's the link to the original article Gretz Penguins Trade

My thoughts....

1) Not a big fan. I've soured a bit on Hoglander too, but, while both Podz and Hoglander have not hit their draft potential, Hoglander has produced more at the NHL level to date. Hoglander had a 24 goal, 36 point season last year. Podkolzin's best year was his rookie year, 14 goals, 26 points. I like Podkolzin's size, but I think Hoglander has the better chance to put up solid 3rd or even low end 2nd line numbers.

2) If we got DOC for a 2nd, I'd probably take it. Otherwise, I'd rather try and include him in another deal to get a better prospect or young player back.

3 & 4) Kind of same thing....pick might be their value, but I think unless he's getting a 1st - 3rd, Dubas would rather have a prospect.

5) If we traded Pettersson for either Podkolzin or Hoglander plus a pick, I'd need to get something more substantial. Turcotte is yet another high end draft pick that hasn't lived up to 5th overall draft. We need to get a prospect or young player that has more guaranteed upside. We can't trade for a bunch of Tomasino, Glass, Beauvillier, Puljujarvi guys that we are hoping pan out. If we made a deal with the Kings, I'd ask for one of Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence, both young RD. With Doughty coming back, LA had Clarke as a healthy scratch last game.

It will be interesting to see who is traded and what Dubas can pull off at the deadline.

1.) Pass.
2.) I'd make that deal for a 2nd. Maybe move some other pieces around to reduce contract #. Send out 2 AHL nobodies and take one back?
3.) If you get anything for him, move him yesterday!
4.) More likely to be worth anything to someone than Grz, so I'm hoping we get something back. A 3rd?
5.) Pass, there has to be better

[dark_forces]

I read an article the other day on Bleacher Report from Adam Gretz about 5 potential Pens trades. Here are the deals he laid out:

1. Pens trade Pettersson to Edmonton for Podkolzin and a 2nd (the same St. Louis' 2nd round pick that the Pens owned at one point from the Hayes trade)
2. Pens trade DOC to Tampa Bay for a pick (mentions that TB has 2-2nds and 2-4ths next year)
3. Pens trade Grzelcyk to Florida for a pick (mentions Florida has multiple 4th & 5th round picks)
4. Pens trade Beauvillier to Vegas for a pick (mentions a mid-to-late-round pick)
5. Pens trade Rakell to the Kings for a young player (mentions Alex Turcotte)

The middle 3 are ok, take the highest bid you can get. DOC is the only one I'd consider keeping if the offers aren't any better than a 4th/5th.

Thoughts on the other two?

I think I like the idea of Podkolzin over Hoglander from the often talked about Vancouver deal, but the pick will likely be a little lower assuming Edmonton goes further than Vancouver this year. I'd probably be okay that one.

For the Kings deal, I like the idea of targeting one of their young NHL ready players. I just don't know enough about any of their outlooks to judge fair market value for a player like Rakell. With the right player and pick/prospects to even it out, I'd be okay with something like that as well.

Anyway, all conjecture, but figured I'd share.
 
(Apologies for not including a link, not sure what the protocol is in a case like this)

Here's the link to the original article Gretz Penguins Trade

My thoughts....

1) Not a big fan. I've soured a bit on Hoglander too, but, while both Podz and Hoglander have not hit their draft potential, Hoglander has produced more at the NHL level to date. Hoglander had a 24 goal, 36 point season last year. Podkolzin's best year was his rookie year, 14 goals, 26 points. I like Podkolzin's size, but I think Hoglander has the better chance to put up solid 3rd or even low end 2nd line numbers.

2) If we got DOC for a 2nd, I'd probably take it. Otherwise, I'd rather try and include him in another deal to get a better prospect or young player back.

3 & 4) Kind of same thing....pick might be their value, but I think unless he's getting a 1st - 3rd, Dubas would rather have a prospect.

5) If we traded Pettersson for either Podkolzin or Hoglander plus a pick, I'd need to get something more substantial. Turcotte is yet another high end draft pick that hasn't lived up to 5th overall draft. We need to get a prospect or young player that has more guaranteed upside. We can't trade for a bunch of Tomasino, Glass, Beauvillier, Puljujarvi guys that we are hoping pan out. If we made a deal with the Kings, I'd ask for one of Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence, both young RD. With Doughty coming back, LA had Clarke as a healthy scratch last game.

It will be interesting to see who is traded and what Dubas can pull off at the deadline.

1.) Pass.
2.) I'd make that deal for a 2nd. Maybe move some other pieces around to reduce contract #. Send out 2 AHL nobodies and take one back?
3.) If you get anything for him, move him yesterday!
4.) More likely to be worth anything to someone than Grz, so I'm hoping we get something back. A 3rd?
5.) Pass, there has to be better

I'd say yes to 2, 3, and 4.
No on the others. I think they'll ultimately get a 2nd and a better prospect/young NHLer than Podkolzin for Pettersson. Likewise, for Rakell. I think they could get at least a late 1st+ given the fact that he's under contract and is easily a plug and play goal scoring wing. I imagine there would be multiple teams bidding for him too.

[dark_forces]

Assuming Pettersson is only player dealt this season, what do you do with the rest of the Penguins 2025 free agent crop?

Cody Glass RFA (I qualify/keep him but only on a 1 year deal for the minimum he'll accept)
Philip Tomasino RFA (qualify and keep him)
Drew O'Connor UFA (try to deal him up to the last minute, but open to keeping him for something like 1.25 mil. on a 1 year deal. he's fine as a 3rd liner.)
Anthony Beauvillier UFA (let him walk, there are other, better options on the free agent market or open his spot for McGroarty/Koivunen)
Matt Nieto UFA (let him walk, so Poulin or Ponomarev can take his spot)
Jesse Puljujarvi UFA (let him walk)
Matt Grzelcyk UFA (let him walk, better free agent options will exist and Pickering should be a full time member of the club.)
Pierre-Olivier Joseph RFA (qualify him for one more year—he's decent 3rd pairing depth and can skate)
Ryan Shea UFA (Bring him back for another year as the new Ruhwedel)

[Victor]

Just like that, my hopes and dreams of offer sheeting Wyatt Johnston are long gone.

I'm surprised they released estimates past the expiration of the current CBA. Hopefully this means there will be little to worry about it.

[Victor]

Another fun record for Flower

[Pens4Life]

Another big trade :
JT Miller, Brannstrom and prospect traded to NYR for Chytill, V.Mancini and protected 1st rounder.. thats poor return for Canucks,isnt it?

A lot of going on.. Rantanen - Necas trade,than Frost, Farabee - Kuzmenko, now Miller.. come on Kyle, lets go..

[Victor]

Another big trade :
JT Miller, Brannstrom and prospect traded to NYR for Chytill, V.Mancini and protected 1st rounder.. thats poor return for Canucks,isnt it?

A lot of going on.. Rantanen - Necas trade,than Frost, Farabee - Kuzmenko, now Miller.. come on Kyle, lets go..

Pick is top 13 protected. Rangers' pick would currently be 12th overall based on points percentage.

No retention on Miller's contract.

[Toke]

Canucks are trading for Petey

[FLPensFan]

Another big trade :
JT Miller, Brannstrom and prospect traded to NYR for Chytill, V.Mancini and protected 1st rounder.. thats poor return for Canucks,isnt it?

A lot of going on.. Rantanen - Necas trade,than Frost, Farabee - Kuzmenko, now Miller.. come on Kyle, lets go..

A young NHLer and a 1st round pick. Miller has a full NMC, so options where VAN could move him were limited. Plus Rangers knew Canucks had to move him with Rutherford publicly acknowledging rift between Miller and Pettersson.

I think it's a fair return. Big contract, down year, a month shy of 32, and known problems in the locker room. He's not necessarily a cancer, but he can be difficult to get along with.

[FLPensFan]

Canucks are trading for Petey

[pekkasteele]

Assuming Pettersson is only player dealt this season, what do you do with the rest of the Penguins 2025 free agent crop?

Cody Glass RFA (I qualify/keep him but only on a 1 year deal for the minimum he'll accept)
Philip Tomasino RFA (qualify and keep him)
Drew O'Connor UFA (try to deal him up to the last minute, but open to keeping him for something like 1.25 mil. on a 1 year deal. he's fine as a 3rd liner.)
Anthony Beauvillier UFA (let him walk, there are other, better options on the free agent market or open his spot for McGroarty/Koivunen)
Matt Nieto UFA (let him walk, so Poulin or Ponomarev can take his spot)
Jesse Puljujarvi UFA (let him walk)
Matt Grzelcyk UFA (let him walk, better free agent options will exist and Pickering should be a full time member of the club.)
Pierre-Olivier Joseph RFA (qualify him for one more year—he's decent 3rd pairing depth and can skate)
Ryan Shea UFA (Bring him back for another year as the new Ruhwedel)

Keep Tomasino and Poolparty (and FIRE SULLIVAN)

[Puck-Lurker]

So.. word around town was teams weren't going to trade prior to 4 nations. There would be talks during it, with actual deals having to wait a bit. Trades would be coming through after.

This thing with Pettersson and DOC kind of looks like a trade to me?

[Victor]

Another big trade :
JT Miller, Brannstrom and prospect traded to NYR for Chytill, V.Mancini and protected 1st rounder.. thats poor return for Canucks,isnt it?

A lot of going on.. Rantanen - Necas trade,than Frost, Farabee - Kuzmenko, now Miller.. come on Kyle, lets go..

A young NHLer and a 1st round pick. Miller has a full NMC, so options where VAN could move him were limited. Plus Rangers knew Canucks had to move him with Rutherford publicly acknowledging rift between Miller and Pettersson.

I think it's a fair return. Big contract, down year, a month shy of 32, and known problems in the locker room. He's not necessarily a cancer, but he can be difficult to get along with.

I also remember reading Miller would only waive his NMC to go to the Rangers. No retention is also key in this trade. 5 years left, 8M AAV.

[pekkasteele]

So.. word around town was teams weren't going to trade prior to 4 nations. There would be talks during it, with actual deals having to wait a bit. Trades would be coming through after.

This thing with Pettersson and DOC kind of looks like a trade to me?

JR don't want to wait, we know this!

[lemieuxReturns]

With what the salary cap is expected to increase to, I think Dubas should keep Rakell and Rust and see what the trade market looks like next deadline. We don’t need to have all the picks in this years draft.

[pekkasteele]

With what the salary cap is expected to increase to, I think Dubas should keep Rakell and Rust and see what the trade market looks like next deadline. We don’t need to have all the picks in this years draft.

But at the same time, it is better to not have them next year so we get a good high pick then to, any player making us better this and next year, but will not be here when we hopefully have stacked up with new prospects should just be traded now, to increase value for all out picks.

[Pens4Life]

Former Pens Granlund and Ceci shipped from Sharks to Dallas for 1st and 3rd round pick.. didnt expect so many trades before 4Nations Tournament.. but I like it!

[Pens4Life]

With what the salary cap is expected to increase to, I think Dubas should keep Rakell and Rust and see what the trade market looks like next deadline. We don’t need to have all the picks in this years draft.

I agree.. I would like to keep that line together, unless Rusty or RR demand a trade to contender

[Antonio]

With RR being as hot as he has been and not being reliably that hot during his tenure here, I would move him like he had a rocket up his backside if a good deal came along. I'd move rust also for the right deal as well but I don't really care one way or the other.

[Toke]

Former Pens Granlund and Ceci shipped from Sharks to Dallas for 1st and 3rd round pick.. didnt expect so many trades before 4Nations Tournament.. but I like it!

Wow….Granlund now garnering a 1st!