A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

[shmenguin]

why so many save Jesse theories? what makes people think that Walt cares enough about Jesse at this point to save him from danger?

final shot at redemption

[largegarlic]

Also... Walt has a lot of hair in those teasers... Off of chemo? Accepting death or back in remission?

I bet he lost the funds for chemo (or lost the ability to do chemo for some other reason). The flash forward at the beginning of last season showed him coughing like crazy in the Denny's bathroom, so it seemed like his cancer was still there and maybe getting worse.

[GSdrums87]

I think Walt's either falling completely to Heisenberg, or Jesse will get his spiritual peace by taking him down.

[IanMoran]

why so many save Jesse theories? what makes people think that Walt cares enough about Jesse at this point to save him from danger?

agree

[IanMoran]

Also... Walt has a lot of hair in those teasers... Off of chemo? Accepting death or back in remission?

I bet he lost the funds for chemo (or lost the ability to do chemo for some other reason). The flash forward at the beginning of last season showed him coughing like crazy in the Denny's bathroom, so it seemed like his cancer was still there and maybe getting worse.

Forgot that. Good point

[shmenguin]

Also... Walt has a lot of hair in those teasers... Off of chemo? Accepting death or back in remission?

I bet he lost the funds for chemo (or lost the ability to do chemo for some other reason). The flash forward at the beginning of last season showed him coughing like crazy in the Denny's bathroom, so it seemed like his cancer was still there and maybe getting worse.

he had a fake ID, so the hair growth is probably part of protecting his identity. and yeah - he wouldn't be able to do chemo if he was on the run.

[IanMoran]

Also... Walt has a lot of hair in those teasers... Off of chemo? Accepting death or back in remission?

I bet he lost the funds for chemo (or lost the ability to do chemo for some other reason). The flash forward at the beginning of last season showed him coughing like crazy in the Denny's bathroom, so it seemed like his cancer was still there and maybe getting worse.

he had a fake ID, so the hair growth is probably part of protecting his identity. and yeah - he wouldn't be able to do chemo if he was on the run.

Yea, and the neighbor shocked thing made it pretty obvious his story is out to the public I guess

[MWB]

Also... Walt has a lot of hair in those teasers... Off of chemo? Accepting death or back in remission?

But he was on chemo in the first episode this year. How much time has passed? He is 52 in the flash-forward. How old is he in "current" time?

[GSdrums87]

Pulled from the article earlier. Best commment:

I am surprised by the fact that so many reviewers of the episode look at Badger's Star Trek episode as a light moment in the show that serves as a release valve for tension before diving back in. It is anything but, it is an allegory for the entire show and a signal of what is to come.

We all know that Gilligan is a master of the use of Checkov's gun. So, the instant something so far out of left-field as a discussion by Badger (who knew he was anything more than a guy with funny one-liners "stacking Benjis till the rubber band pops") about a Star Trek episode he wanted to write -- a teleplay for a television show that has been off the air for some 50 years, you knew something was up.

When Badger's episode featured Checkov -- then you KNEW, Gilligan is telling you something -- this is the Checkov's gun. So, what are they discussing? The episode opens with boredom on the Enterprise. This is exactly where we are now in the show -- a boring life for Jessie and Walt. So, they decide to have a pie eating contest - and what is the purpose of a pie eating contest? There is no purpose. There is nothing at the end to shoot for, and you never know when to stop, that is -- until you just possibly can't go any further. This is Walt's meth business, the pile of money in the storage locker -- it was going to go on and on and on forever. The maw of the world-wide meth market never stopping from consuming as much blue meth as they could get -- i.e. the blueberry pies. It is not coincidental that blueberries were chosen here.

Captain Kirk in the story is certainly Jessie Pinkman. You know this because the second Badger says, Capt. Kirk got up and puked, Jessie Pinkman gets up from his chair and leaves the room. Later, Jessie takes the money and vomits it all across the City of Albuqueque. Jessie is, without a doubt Captain Kirk in this story

This leaves only Checkov and Spock. And, Checkov has created a fool-proof plan -- he is going to have Scotty use science to beam the blue out of his system as fast as he consumes it so he will be able to go on consuming it far longer than would be humanly possible. But, there is a fly in the ointment -- the unexpected entry of Ohura -- which causes Scotty to get a sweaty finger. He presses the wrong button and Checkov's fool-proof plan ends with his vomiting blood as his entire insides are beamed out into outerspace. So, is Walter White Spock or is he Checkov?

You might think that Walter is Spock b/c of the insistence on logic and reason and the unemotional manner in which important decisions are made. This is possible, which could mean, that Walter White -- like Spock in the pie eating contest -- wins by default.

But, it seems more likely that he is Checkov -- we have seen one fool proof plan of Walter's ultimately fail because of an unforeseen factor. (His plan to use the electro-magnet, saved them for the moment but, exposed the bank accounts where the hazard pay was stashed -- there are many, many more through the course of the series). The allegory to his insides being turned out into the ether -- the complete destruction of him from the inside. The vomiting from the mouth. And, his sudden end when he thinks he has everything in the bag. Checkov in Badger's Star Trek treatment is Walter White. It is the ultimate Checkov's gun and it foreshadows how the series will end.

The only question is, who is Spock (I think that Ohura & Scotty = the unexpected factor that was not taken into account)? Is Spock Hank? The one who stands in with only his mind and his body, that is not cheating to win and never gives up (like Capt. Kirk did)? The person that can't figure out "how this Russian is beating him?" which is the same thing Hank must be wondering: how this waif and wuss of a chemistry teacher has bested him? It is fascinating and better writing than ever has been on television. All of this greatness masquerading as a stoner's conversation that slips passed the view without a watchful eye.

[IanMoran]

Also... Walt has a lot of hair in those teasers... Off of chemo? Accepting death or back in remission?

But he was on chemo in the first episode this year. How much time has passed? He is 52 in the flash-forward. How old is he in "current" time?

51.

He turned 50 the day he found out he had cancer.... 51 the day Jesse gave him the watch as a present.

[MWB]

why so many save Jesse theories? what makes people think that Walt cares enough about Jesse at this point to save him from danger?

agree

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I think Walt views himself as a type of father figure to Jesse.

[IanMoran]

As someone who never watched 1 episode of Star Trek I can't even read the Star Trek stuff...... I'm sure of I was into that show it'd be interesting though lol

[PensFanInDC]

He's 51


edit: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Im late

[IanMoran]

why so many save Jesse theories? what makes people think that Walt cares enough about Jesse at this point to save him from danger?

agree

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I think Walt views himself as a type of father figure to Jesse.

They played that up originally (saving him multiple times, not wanting him the druggie, talking about him as his "nephew" to druggie's dad, calling his son Jesse, etc..), I think that went with the evolution of Walt though

[IanMoran]

Saw in an interview with the actor that plays Walter Jr. about how he was pleasantly shocked about how big his role / how much time involved his character in the final episodes.... Since it was non-existent in the 1st episode, I'm guessing it'll be coming soon

[MWB]

But he's still looking after him. He gives him the money initially, then he gives it to him again when Saul has it. If he was through with Jesse he would have just done something else with that money.

[count2infinity]

why so many save Jesse theories? what makes people think that Walt cares enough about Jesse at this point to save him from danger?

agree

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I think Walt views himself as a type of father figure to Jesse.

But he is ACTUALLY a father to two kids, why does he need Jesse to feel like a father?

[PensFanInDC]

Star Trek Stuff

The person who wrote this article has way too much time on their hands. But it's all so damn accurate...

[count2infinity]

But he's still looking after him. He gives him the money initially, then he gives it to him again when Saul has it. If he was through with Jesse he would have just done something else with that money.

He did the money thing to cover his own backside.

[GSdrums87]

Star Trek Stuff

The person who wrote this article has way too much time on their hands. But it's all so damn accurate...

Yeah, I mean, it's right on, all across the board.

[IanMoran]

But he's still looking after him. He gives him the money initially, then he gives it to him again when Saul has it. If he was through with Jesse he would have just done something else with that money.

He did the money thing to cover his own backside.

Yea, originally it was given to Jesse as a way to "get him back into it." Walter then quit, but Jesse just handing out millions to people associated with this would screw Walter.

Also, was pretty obvious Jesse didn't believe him with his "I didn't kill Mike" thing

[GSdrums87]

But he's still looking after him. He gives him the money initially, then he gives it to him again when Saul has it. If he was through with Jesse he would have just done something else with that money.

He did the money thing to cover his own backside.

Yea, originally it was given to Jesse as a way to "get him back into it." Walter then quit, but Jesse just handing out millions to people associated with this would screw Walter.

Also, was pretty obvious Jesse didn't believe him with his "I didn't kill Mike" thing

"I killed Mike, I watched your girlfriend die, I poisoned the kid, I'M OUTTA HEREEE!"

[cheesesteakwithegg]

I do think that Jesse finds out about Jane and/or Brock, and the ultimate showdown is not Hank vs Walt, it's Walt vs Jesse.

[MWB]

But he's still looking after him. He gives him the money initially, then he gives it to him again when Saul has it. If he was through with Jesse he would have just done something else with that money.

He did the money thing to cover his own backside.

I get that the first time, but why do it when Jesse has given the money to Saul to give away? I just it going down that Walt needs to save Jesse (again) instead of him killing Jesse. Or maybe he tries to save him, but Jesse has had enough and kills Walt (maybe the ricin is exposed and Jesse puts it all together).

[IanMoran]

But he's still looking after him. He gives him the money initially, then he gives it to him again when Saul has it. If he was through with Jesse he would have just done something else with that money.

He did the money thing to cover his own backside.

I get that the first time, but why do it when Jesse has given the money to Saul to give away? I just it going down that Walt needs to save Jesse (again) instead of him killing Jesse. Or maybe he tries to save him, but Jesse has had enough and kills Walt (maybe the ricin is exposed and Jesse puts it all together).

He gave it to Saul to give away to people the authorties are watching... .O here, parent of missing kid... someone leaves you 2.5 mill. O here, Mike wanted for the blue stuff's granddaughter.. here's 2.5 mill