2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

[Daniel]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

I have a weird vibe with Hagens. Like he won't be a superstar, like Jack Hughes vibe. Almost great. Misa might not be possible, but I think Desnoyers or Frondell will be pretty good. Unsure about McQueen because of injuries, but he seems pretty legit.

[dark_forces]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

I have a weird vibe with Hagens. Like he won't be a superstar, like Jack Hughes vibe. Almost great. Misa might not be possible, but I think Desnoyers or Frondell will be pretty good. Unsure about McQueen because of injuries, but he seems pretty legit.

I watched a draft preview TSN short where Craig Button was all over Frondell as having a Barkov like ceiling. In other words, a very good two-way center who has no genuine weaknesses. If this is true, I'm hoping we're in striking distance of this player. I would be okay with Desnoyers as well. Whether 1st or 2nd line center, we need to restock this position probably more desperately than any other.

[EndO FanEra]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

[ahawk9]

Interesting thought. It's just nice that they actually a first round pick for the foreseeable future, and at least 2 one of these years! They have some options.

[100565]

Those trade calue charts are using algorithms that kinda find an average.

If you don't have any information regarding draft class, thise are the typical costs to trade up. Problem is, we do have information this year's draft and it ain't pretty. I would suspect it would take more than the Pens 1st plus the NYR's first to move up. The evidence of this is also the value given to this yea'r's pick at the deadline. The draft picks ate de-valued.

but who knows. I would certainly trade our first plus NYR first to go top 3. I would also add to that esp if we pick lower than 7.

[Daniel]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

I have a weird vibe with Hagens. Like he won't be a superstar, like Jack Hughes vibe. Almost great. Misa might not be possible, but I think Desnoyers or Frondell will be pretty good. Unsure about McQueen because of injuries, but he seems pretty legit.

I watched a draft preview TSN short where Craig Button was all over Frondell as having a Barkov like ceiling. In other words, a very good two-way center who has no genuine weaknesses. If this is true, I'm hoping we're in striking distance of this player. I would be okay with Desnoyers as well. Whether 1st or 2nd line center, we need to restock this position probably more desperately than any other.

They read very similar but Desnoyers is taller and might end up bigger, like it means something for 18 year olds, just saying. I think if they can get a top 2 line center in this years draft they need to do that above anyone else.

[Daniel]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

[Michael74]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

If I were teams in the top four or five I wouldn't trade down like that UNLESS they had a glutton at those prospects positions. Seems highly unlikely that'd be the case.

If we had 1-3 OA I seriously doubt we'd trade down and choose quantity over quality, so...

[FLPensFan]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

If I were teams in the top four or five I wouldn't trade down like that UNLESS they had a glutton at those prospects positions. Seems highly unlikely that'd be the case.

If we had 1-3 OA I seriously doubt we'd trade down and choose quantity over quality, so...

Therein lies the problem. One of the top 3 teams has to get exceptional value in a trade to move out of those spots. I would focus on Nashville, as they are likely to finish 3rd or 4th, and they have 2 other picks.

Would NSH move out of the 3 or 4 spot for Penguins 7th overall, Rangers 14th overall, and someone like Blomqvist? Nashville had to move Askarov last year after signing Saros to an extension. They could use some young goalie depth. Nashville getting 7th, 14th, and two 20th-32nd ish picks might be enough for Trotz to "Trotz it up." He already has a good trade history with Dubas. Something with Nashville seems most likely.

BUF and Kevyn Adams also seems to be guilty of "dumb GMing" at times. Buffalo has Norris and Thompson as mid-20s centers, plus last year's 1st rounder Konsta Helenius and 2022 1st rounder Noah Ostlund. They don't really need a center. It might be smart for them to move down and pickup someone like Eklund at 6th overall for the extra assets they would receive. We'd have to find a different sweetener though, as UPL and Levi are two youngish goalies, so that's not a position of need. I'd try to sell them on Broz or Ponomarev if possible, and I'd hesitate to deal Koivunen or McGroarty.

[FLPensFan]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

What if I told you that you could have McQueen and Mrtka with your two picks, or you could move up and have your choice of Desnoyers or Frondell? Which would you take? McQueen was once thought to be in the running for top prospect heading into this season. I think his injury is a bit overblown, as it was a back fracture and not a disc issue, but, you never know if that could heal funny and cause problems. Out of any of the top 8 picks, there is the most uncertainty about McQueen.

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

[Cow_Master66]

I will hate it so much if they trade both their 1sts to move up, so I could see them doing it.

This team needs so much, and to reach in this years draft seems beyond shortsighted. I would rather see them move one of them for picks next year or 27.

[100565]

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

Well said. I agree!

If the Pens need to draft 7-9 and NYR's first, I think of them as trade bait in hopes of getting high end talent.

I think you and I disagree with some draft pick analysis. I don't have as high if hopes for some(5-8 picks) but I seem to like the top 4 more than you. I would be shocked if any if the top 4 fell below the top 4. Martone would be most likely to slip out if top4, but I don't see that happening. I don't value the guys in 5-8 as much as you. or so it seems.

[FLPensFan]

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

Well said. I agree!

If the Pens need to draft 7-9 and NYR's first, I think of them as trade bait in hopes of getting high end talent.

I think you and I disagree with some draft pick analysis. I don't have as high if hopes for some(5-8 picks) but I seem to like the top 4 more than you. I would be shocked if any if the top 4 fell below the top 4. Martone would be most likely to slip out if top4, but I don't see that happening. I don't value the guys in 5-8 as much as you. or so it seems.

I think Schaefer and Misa are top 2. I'm 90% sold that Hagens is in the top 3, but there are some concerns he hasn't taken his game to the next level this year. He's around 40th in NCAA scoring at a point per game. Guys that have recently been drafted, including 7th rounders like Jack Devine, that are ahead of him in NCAA scoring. Hagens played on the US National team last year, so there isn't a good year over year comparison in the same league. It wouldn't shock me if Hagens slipped to 4 or 5 overall. Desnoyers and Frondell stock has risen of late.

Where I think there is more likely a chance for players to slip is after the top 4 or 5. Let's just say Schaefer, Misa, Hagens and Martone go top 5, with one of Desnoyers or Frondell in that top 5 as well. I think there is a chance in that 4-8 range that someone goes off board. Someone oddly likes McQueen, someone really wants defense and takes a Jackson Smith, Logan Hensler, or Radim Mrtka before a Desnoyers or Frondell.

Out of Misa, Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, and McQueen....I think McQueen has the biggest chance to miss or have limited upside, and Hagens is 2nd. One thing I don't like about Hagens is he's under 6 foot. Frondell is 6 foot, Desnoyers is 6'2", Misa is 6'1", and McQueen is 6'5". I'd rather have a center with some size, but that's personal preference. There's also questions as to whether Misa will be a Center or LW, as he does play a lot of LW for Saginaw. I'd still take Misa if I had the chance, though.

[Michael74]

Interesting thought. It's just nice that they actually a first round pick for the foreseeable future, and at least 2 one of these years! They have some options.

They'd have better options if they lost meaningless games.

[Michael74]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

What if I told you that you could have McQueen and Mrtka with your two picks, or you could move up and have your choice of Desnoyers or Frondell? Which would you take? McQueen was once thought to be in the running for top prospect heading into this season. I think his injury is a bit overblown, as it was a back fracture and not a disc issue, but, you never know if that could heal funny and cause problems. Out of any of the top 8 picks, there is the most uncertainty about McQueen.

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

Agree! If we can turn our two picks into one very good pick I'd be all for it. I'm just not so sure we'll have a taker. Depends how far we ascend up the board with these meaningless wins. IF NAS or BUF would move say 4th OA or 5TH OA and their 2hd rounders For picks 10 OA and 15 OA I'd do it if that got us a potential core piece for the future. That might be a slight over payment but I'd be all for it IF they'd be willing partners. NAS has two late 1sts, so maybe their worst 1st instead. I think BUF would be more likely though because they're pretty stacked at Center.

[FLPensFan]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

What if I told you that you could have McQueen and Mrtka with your two picks, or you could move up and have your choice of Desnoyers or Frondell? Which would you take? McQueen was once thought to be in the running for top prospect heading into this season. I think his injury is a bit overblown, as it was a back fracture and not a disc issue, but, you never know if that could heal funny and cause problems. Out of any of the top 8 picks, there is the most uncertainty about McQueen.

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

Agree! If we can turn our two picks into one very good pick I'd be all for it. I'm just not so sure we'll have a taker. Depends how far we ascend up the board with these meaningless wins. IF NAS or BUF would move say 4th OA or 5TH OA and their 2hd rounders For picks 10 OA and 15 OA I'd do it if that got us a potential core piece for the future. That might be a slight over payment but I'd be all for it IF they'd be willing partners. NAS has two late 1sts, so maybe their worst 1st instead. I think BUF would be more likely though because they're pretty stacked at Center.

The value chart doesn't line up. You can use this tool to get a good idea of what each pick is valued at, and determine roughly what even value is. But as I said before, I don't think NSH or BUF are going to take straight even value to move out of those spots. They're probably going to want a slight overpayment. Our 1st and the Rangers 1st should be enough in most instances, but we may have to throw something else in as well to push things over the edge and get a deal done.

https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

[Michael74]

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

What if I told you that you could have McQueen and Mrtka with your two picks, or you could move up and have your choice of Desnoyers or Frondell? Which would you take? McQueen was once thought to be in the running for top prospect heading into this season. I think his injury is a bit overblown, as it was a back fracture and not a disc issue, but, you never know if that could heal funny and cause problems. Out of any of the top 8 picks, there is the most uncertainty about McQueen.

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

Agree! If we can turn our two picks into one very good pick I'd be all for it. I'm just not so sure we'll have a taker. Depends how far we ascend up the board with these meaningless wins. IF NAS or BUF would move say 4th OA or 5TH OA and their 2hd rounders For picks 10 OA and 15 OA I'd do it if that got us a potential core piece for the future. That might be a slight over payment but I'd be all for it IF they'd be willing partners. NAS has two late 1sts, so maybe their worst 1st instead. I think BUF would be more likely though because they're pretty stacked at Center.

The value chart doesn't line up. You can use this tool to get a good idea of what each pick is valued at, and determine roughly what even value is. But as I said before, I don't think NSH or BUF are going to take straight even value to move out of those spots. They're probably going to want a slight overpayment. Our 1st and the Rangers 1st should be enough in most instances, but we may have to throw something else in as well to push things over the edge and get a deal done.

https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

I'm not gonna go through that exercise. That poster above you put a chart up I just went with that. look, it would just be easier if this team would lose! I wouldn't trade 4TH OR 5TH 0A for 10 OA and 15 OA either if I were those teams.

[Pens4Life]

Good thing is that Pens will soon ran out of games vs competition lol.. we are mostly up by 2-3 games played more than others.
I think if they dont win next 3 games out of 4, its over, even players will realize it and motivation will fall. So we shouldnt be losing that much draft pick spots..

I dont see any team doing us a favour and giving us #4 for #9 and #14 either.. I say go after best player available at these spots and you can still trade them later in the season for someone more ready if opportunity comes.

It would be best to get legit center prospect, I agree..

[BigMcK]

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This website is resorting back to the 90s. Unreadable and annoying!

[Daniel]

I'd be really excited to get James Hagens, Michael Misa, or Matthew Schaefer. I would not want to trade any of these players; it would take a lottery win to get one of them. I think these three have a chance of being high level talent the team needs.

I would probably wait and see regarding Porter Martone. A little excited, but certainly moveable. He could be high level talent, but much likely than the top 3. Also, clearly a wing.

The next group of 4-6 players are like FlPensFan write, another McGroarty. It is fine, but I would certainly entertain trades. They have a chance of being high level talent, but more likely to be solid NHL players.

After those, 8-10 players, the remaining first round players, I have little excitement. Of course a few will end up being surprising, but most will be solid third liners that can play up some times.

Again, I am not a scout, simply my opinion based on reading articles and watching videos.

Therefore, without a lottery win, I would try to trade up to top 3. I would pay a hefty sum to move up, but nothing too ridiculous. I highly doubt any top 3 will be traded. Without a lottery win, picking 6-9 and NYR pick, I would try to trade for prospect already drafted and closer to NHL. Otherwise, I take BPA, hope they have a good year next year, then try to trade.

Using an NHL trade value chart from 2023, it looks like we could potentially move up into the top 2 or 3 by combining our pick with the Rangers pick.

As long as the Pens finish 10 or lower and NYR finishes 12-15, the value is there. At 10 & 15, it's more than enough for the #3OA. Pens at 7, NYR at 14/15, that should be close to the #2OA.

I'm not saying I would do it, but it looks like that might be an option if we really wanted Misa or Hagens.

ROUND 1
Pick Value
1 1000
2 727
3 603
4 532
5 484
6 449
7 419
8 396
9 372
10 354
11 339
12 324
13 311
14 297
15 284
16 272
17 260
18 249
19 238
20 228
21 218
22 208
23 199
24 190
25 182
26 174
27 166
28 159
29 152
30 145
31 139
32 133

I think Pens at 7 and Rangers at 14/15 can get them a top 2 line center and top pairing defensemen. I don't think the difference between 2 and 7 in this years draft is worth it. This draft feels like the 2006 draft where there isn't one top guy but 7 to 10 All Star strong.

Let's say they get Roger McQueen, Anton Frondell, Caleb Desnoyers first and Radim Mrtka drops to 15 (probably won't, but found a RH defenseman close to 15th).

Those 3 centers will almost certainly be a 2nd line C and Mrtka with Pickering and Brunicke is half your next generation defensemen. To me that's better than getting the 2nd pick and someone just a little bit better. Let's say they get McQueen and Mrtka this year. Next year you make the trade and get the next 1st line C and this team is just experience and depth away from contending (and a new coach of course).

What if I told you that you could have McQueen and Mrtka with your two picks, or you could move up and have your choice of Desnoyers or Frondell? Which would you take? McQueen was once thought to be in the running for top prospect heading into this season. I think his injury is a bit overblown, as it was a back fracture and not a disc issue, but, you never know if that could heal funny and cause problems. Out of any of the top 8 picks, there is the most uncertainty about McQueen.

The Penguins need top end talent. As much as it would be nice to have two high end picks, a top 9 player and a bottom 4 defensemen doesn't move the needle for me. We have those. There are no guarantees, but I'd rather have one player with more overall perceived ceiling and floor, then be stuck into taken the one player with the biggest potential range between his ceiling and floor and a d-man who almost certainly won't be a top pairing guy, which is what the team needs.

If Desnoyers or Frondell project to be a number 1 center and McQueen does not, I'd want one of them. I think all 3 project to be number 2 centers, not sure if anyone in the draft projects to be a top line center. I think the Penguins will likely be top 10 next years in a much deeper draft and they have a better chance of a generational talent.

My thought process is they have a lot of bottom six centers and are lacking number 1 & 2 and they're almost guaranteed to fill the #2 spot this year if they choose. They might have a top pairing in Pickering and Brunicke, but I think Mrtka is a slam dunk #1 guy.


Pickering, Pietila, Brunicke might be the next generation of Penguin defensemen.

Add Mrtka to your 2nd line C and all of a sudden the defensive youth has some really good potential.

2025 isn't deep enough and there doesn't seem to be that franchise guy compared to next year. Next you, I'd trade up because their might be a few really top guys.

[KG]

Scratch Chychrun off your arm chair GM teams. Just re-signed with Washington 8 years $72mill. $9mill AAV.

[Toke]

That sucks I was hoping he might be available this summer.

[100565]

Scratch Chychrun off your arm chair GM teams. Just re-signed with Washington 8 years $72mill. $9mill AAV.

Geez. I figured players were going to get paid this offseason, but that is more than I thought. I figured Guins would have to overpay him to intice him to sign (if he reached UFA) I was thinking 7year x $9.5mil would be overpayment. Caps gave him more 8x$9mil!

Marner will get the largest contract in NHL history this summer.

[dark_forces]

Scratch Chychrun off your arm chair GM teams. Just re-signed with Washington 8 years $72mill. $9mill AAV.

Geez. I figured players were going to get paid this offseason, but that is more than I thought. I figured Guins would have to overpay him to intice him to sign (if he reached UFA) I was thinking 7year x $9.5mil would be overpayment. Caps gave him more 8x$9mil!

Marner will get the largest contract in NHL history this summer.

I'm hoping maybe Provorov makes it to free agency. He shouldn't cost as much and would fill a major need as a top pairing d-man, which we really don't have anymore, unless you consider Karlsson a top paring defenseman.
Letang is no better than 2nd pairing, and then we have a bunch of 3rd pairing types.

[Victor]

Scratch Chychrun off your arm chair GM teams. Just re-signed with Washington 8 years $72mill. $9mill AAV.

Geez. I figured players were going to get paid this offseason, but that is more than I thought. I figured Guins would have to overpay him to intice him to sign (if he reached UFA) I was thinking 7year x $9.5mil would be overpayment. Caps gave him more 8x$9mil!

Marner will get the largest contract in NHL history this summer.

He'll get less than Letang's 7.25M when you look at % of cap at the start of the contract. Letang's was 10.5% starting on the 2014-15 season. Chychrun's 9M will be 9.4%. I believe Letang was 27 at the start of that season. Chychrun will be 27 at the start of next season.

It will also be a few years until the next largest contract in NHL history is signed. Ovechkin signed a 124M back in 2008. It was a 13-year contract though. For a 7-year contract to top that, which is the max length an UFA can get, AAV would have to be 17.71M or more, which I don't think we will see this summer.