2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

[Pitts]

NTC does not mean untradeable.

[stonewizard51]

True, but doesn't the guy have to agree to a trade ?

[FLPensFan]

WBS lost 3-2, and for the 2nd year in a row, eliminated in the first round of a playoffs.

I guess it is true what they say....WBS models their game plan after the parent NHL club.

[Wyopen]

And getting beat by a third string goalkeeper.

[Puck-Lurker]

NTC does not mean untradeable.

It doesn't, but it adds stumbling blocks. It requires a GM to ask for the list of 8-12 teams for one. If I read Dubas correctly he'll be very reluctant to ask anyone.

[Victor]

WBS lost 3-2, and for the 2nd year in a row, eliminated in the first round of a playoffs.

I guess it is true what they say....WBS models their game plan after the parent NHL club.

WBS went 8-2-2 against LV in the regular season just to be beaten 0-2 in the first round... which was the same outcome in the playoffs last year.

Apparently Murashov, Koivunen and Brunicke played well... silver linings.

[Victor]

NTC does not mean untradeable.

It doesn't, but it adds stumbling blocks. It requires a GM to ask for the list of 8-12 teams for one. If I read Dubas correctly he'll be very reluctant to ask anyone.

None of these guys should have any form of protection in the first place.

Graves and Jarry poor play for the past two season on top of the term and high AAV of their contracts made them untradeable, regardless of having trade protection or not.

[Puck-Lurker]

WBS lost 3-2, and for the 2nd year in a row, eliminated in the first round of a playoffs.

I guess it is true what they say....WBS models their game plan after the parent NHL club.

WBS went 8-2-2 against LV in the regular season just to be beaten 0-2 in the first round... which was the same outcome in the playoffs last year.

Apparently Murashov, Koivunen and Brunicke played well... silver linings.

The main 'bad' that comes out of this for me, is that it doesn't add anthing to MacDonald's resume. Not that Sullivan will ever be fired.

[Pitts]

True, but doesn't the guy have to agree to a trade ?

Of course. But if management came to you and said they wanted to trade you, what would you do? I think in most cases, the player would rather play for a team that wants them.

[100565]

True, but doesn't the guy have to agree to a trade ?

Of course. But if management came to you and said they wanted to trade you, what would you do? I think in most cases, the player would rather play for a team that wants them.

I am not 100% certain.

I think NMC, the team needs to ask a player to waive the clause.

However, NTC is different. The player has a deadline (each year) to submit to the team/league which teams he can (or some contracts stipulate cannot) be traded to. The team, with the list in hand, does not need to ask a player to waive as long as the team traded to is not (or is, again depending on wording in contract) on the list. I suppose a team could approach a player to waive NTC if team traded to is on the list, but I would guess that rarely occurs.

For example, Acciari has 8 team no trade clause. He would need to submit a list if 8 teams that he cannot be traded to (without waiving the clause). The other 23 teams he could be traded to without Pens asking him to waive. His clause covers 8 teams.

[Puck-Lurker]

True, but doesn't the guy have to agree to a trade ?

Of course. But if management came to you and said they wanted to trade you, what would you do? I think in most cases, the player would rather play for a team that wants them.

I am not 100% certain.

I think NMC, the team needs to ask a player to waive the clause.

However, NTC is different. The player has a deadline (each year) to submit to the team/league which teams he can (or some contracts stipulate cannot) be traded to. The team, with the list in hand, does not need to ask a player to waive as long as the team traded to is not (or is, again depending on wording in contract) on the list. I suppose a team could approach a player to waive NTC if team traded to is on the list, but I would guess that rarely occurs.

For example, Acciari has 8 team no trade clause. He would need to submit a list if 8 teams that he cannot be traded to (without waiving the clause). The other 23 teams he could be traded to without Pens asking him to waive. His clause covers 8 teams.

Interesting, I have never known how that works to be honest

[100565]

25-26 season

NMC (team would need to ask player to waive. Player dictates if and where he would accept a trade by waiving NMC. Also, cannot be sent to AHL or waived without player approval.)
Crosby
Malkin
Letang
Karlsson


NTC (12 team no trade list - cannot be traded to any of the 12 teams listed)
Rakell
Hayes
Heinen
Graves

NTC (8 team no trade list - cannot be traded to any of the 8 teams listed)
Acciari

capwages and puckpedia

[FLPensFan]

25-26 season

NMC (team would need to ask player to waive. Player dictates if and where he would accept a trade by waiving NMC. Also, cannot be sent to AHL or waived without player approval.)
Crosby
Malkin
Letang
Karlsson


NTC (12 team no trade list - cannot be traded to any of the 12 teams listed)
Rakell
Hayes
Heinen
Graves

NTC (8 team no trade list - cannot be traded to any of the 8 teams listed)
Acciari

capwages and puckpedia

Rust also has a NMC, however, he loses it after July 1st. It was only available in the first 3 years, with no trade protection in the last 3 years of his deal.

On NTCs, usually, a player submits a list at the beginning of the season on or around July 1st. A team can go the player and ask if he would be willing to accept a deal to a team on his NTC. Player has every right to refuse, and it has happened a few times in the past few years with big name players (Marner reportedly refused to waive NMC to go to Carolina at this year's deadline).

NMCs and NTCs clauses after a trade have changed a bit. It used to be that the clauses followed the player to the new team, then for awhile it was up to the acquiring club to honor those clauses.

[Victor]

A player can also simultaneously have both NMC and a modified NTC. Charlie Coyle's contract NMC prevents him from being waived and demoted to the AHL without his permission. The modified NTC gives him some control if he gets traded, as he did this season, when he was moved from Boston to Colorado with an active 8-team no-trade list. Next season it will be only 3 teams that he can't be traded to without his approval.

https://puckpedia.com/player/charlie-coyle

[Victor]

Wheeling lost last night and is also eliminated from the playoffs. Early summer for the entire organisation.

[Pens4Life]

I hope we find out about Hallander soon if he is coming back.. if he is thats great news and he can probably play top 3 lines LW or C anytime. Then the decision on 3rd line RW would be looming between Tomasino and someone like UFA target Blumel.

Koivunen, McGroarty, Hallander is nice boost of young blood on LW, centered by Sid, Geno and Novak with RWs Rust, Rakell and Tomasino or Blumel, thats very nice top 9.

4th line options : Lizotte, Ponomarev, Poulin, Dewar, both Hayes, Acciari, Heinen

Defense really needs biggest work, EK65 shipped out, Graves swapped for someone who is maybe also struggling with similar contract.. and to have just 50% of new defense would do a lot I think, to have more balanced stay at home reliable defensmans out there.

[FLPensFan]

Wheeling lost last night and is also eliminated from the playoffs. Early summer for the entire organisation.

Yeah, makes you wonder if they play 80% or more of a "Sullivan-based" system throughout the entire organization. I know they are supposed to in WBS, not sure about Wheeling. And if they do, all 3 of your teams with playoff failure (including 1 not even qualifying) should be even more telling that this system is outdated and not effective.

[FLPensFan]

I know he's a longshot to acquire, but I can't imagine Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence are happy with their ice time in the playoffs with LA.

Mikey Anderson and Drew Doughty are averaging over 25 minutes a game.
Edmundson is at 21 minutes, Gavrikov is 19 and a half.
Brandt Clarke is only getting 11 minutes per game, and Jordan Spence is averaging just over 6 minutes per game. In last year's 1st round exit, Spence averaged just over 15 minutes TOI.

[Daniel]

Wheeling lost last night and is also eliminated from the playoffs. Early summer for the entire organisation.

Yeah, makes you wonder if they play 80% or more of a "Sullivan-based" system throughout the entire organization. I know they are supposed to in WBS, not sure about Wheeling. And if they do, all 3 of your teams with playoff failure (including 1 not even qualifying) should be even more telling that this system is outdated and not effective.

WBS has a very young team and went through defensive ups and downs all year. I think it's as simple as young team, not quite good enough defensively, Lehigh has an old roster in AHL standards. Sucks, but I think next year will be better. They had 7 rookies on their 23 man playoff roster including Murashov. Also remember, McGroarty is a rookie and also didn't play. Not to make excuses because they should have won at least one game, but this was still a successful season in terms of development.

Consider this, next year Brunicke will still be a 19 year old rookie and probably in his 2nd playoff stint. As a defensemen, I think it would be unwise to think he's NHL ready right now, but he probably isn't far off.

[FLPensFan]

Wheeling lost last night and is also eliminated from the playoffs. Early summer for the entire organisation.

Yeah, makes you wonder if they play 80% or more of a "Sullivan-based" system throughout the entire organization. I know they are supposed to in WBS, not sure about Wheeling. And if they do, all 3 of your teams with playoff failure (including 1 not even qualifying) should be even more telling that this system is outdated and not effective.

WBS has a very young team and went through defensive ups and downs all year. I think it's as simple as young team, not quite good enough defensively, Lehigh has an old roster in AHL standards. Sucks, but I think next year will be better. They had 7 rookies on their 23 man playoff roster including Murashov. Also remember, McGroarty is a rookie and also didn't play. Not to make excuses because they should have won at least one game, but this was still a successful season in terms of development.

Consider this, next year Brunicke will still be a 19 year old rookie and probably in his 2nd playoff stint. As a defensemen, I think it would be unwise to think he's NHL ready right now, but he probably isn't far off.

They are young, but part of their off season was supposedly spent on improving the team overall. They weren't happy to go out in round 1 the previous year. To do it again is a big disappointment for sure.

As for Brunicke, no guarantee he plays in the playoffs next season. As you said, he's 19. Only way he'll be in WBS playoffs is if his Junior team doesn't qualify for the playoffs or gets bounced early.

Development wise, it was a good year for WBS. You can see vast improvement from where McGroarty was his first 3 games in the NHL, versus what we saw at the end of the season. I did not expect Koivunen to be this good, so that's a good progression. Broz also impressed.

But it is hurting the team a bit to keep getting bounced in the playoffs. Dubas wants to some of these guys to get that playoff experience, game on the line type of game situation, and for the 2nd year in a row, they've had an earlier than expected exit. I really wonder if it would have been different had Larsson not been injured. Murashov was fair, with a 3.07 GAA and .903 SV% in his one game. Blomqvist left injured, but was at 4.6 GAA and .885 SV% when he left after 2 periods. Gauthier 6.0 GAA and .714 SV% in one period (2 goals on 7 shots).

[Antonio]

Seems like blom has really Jarryed the bed development wise.

[Daniel]

Wheeling lost last night and is also eliminated from the playoffs. Early summer for the entire organisation.

Yeah, makes you wonder if they play 80% or more of a "Sullivan-based" system throughout the entire organization. I know they are supposed to in WBS, not sure about Wheeling. And if they do, all 3 of your teams with playoff failure (including 1 not even qualifying) should be even more telling that this system is outdated and not effective.

WBS has a very young team and went through defensive ups and downs all year. I think it's as simple as young team, not quite good enough defensively, Lehigh has an old roster in AHL standards. Sucks, but I think next year will be better. They had 7 rookies on their 23 man playoff roster including Murashov. Also remember, McGroarty is a rookie and also didn't play. Not to make excuses because they should have won at least one game, but this was still a successful season in terms of development.

Consider this, next year Brunicke will still be a 19 year old rookie and probably in his 2nd playoff stint. As a defensemen, I think it would be unwise to think he's NHL ready right now, but he probably isn't far off.

They are young, but part of their off season was supposedly spent on improving the team overall. They weren't happy to go out in round 1 the previous year. To do it again is a big disappointment for sure.

As for Brunicke, no guarantee he plays in the playoffs next season. As you said, he's 19. Only way he'll be in WBS playoffs is if his Junior team doesn't qualify for the playoffs or gets bounced early.

Development wise, it was a good year for WBS. You can see vast improvement from where McGroarty was his first 3 games in the NHL, versus what we saw at the end of the season. I did not expect Koivunen to be this good, so that's a good progression. Broz also impressed.

But it is hurting the team a bit to keep getting bounced in the playoffs. Dubas wants to some of these guys to get that playoff experience, game on the line type of game situation, and for the 2nd year in a row, they've had an earlier than expected exit. I really wonder if it would have been different had Larsson not been injured. Murashov was fair, with a 3.07 GAA and .903 SV% in his one game. Blomqvist left injured, but was at 4.6 GAA and .885 SV% when he left after 2 periods. Gauthier 6.0 GAA and .714 SV% in one period (2 goals on 7 shots).

Don't get me wrong, I was very disappointed and expected more but last year we were wondering where the prospects were and this year is totally different. If I told you 10-11 players from the playoff roster will contribute in the NHL you might disagree with 1 or 2, if I told you that last year you'd disagree with 8 or 9. I'd consider contribute to like Kuhnhackl did (played more than 200 games).

Ponomarev, Koppanen, Poulin, Broz, Koivunen, Puustinen, McGroarty, Pickering, Brunicke, Kral, Blomqvist, Murasov

[BigMcK]

Wheeling lost last night and is also eliminated from the playoffs. Early summer for the entire organisation.

Yeah, makes you wonder if they play 80% or more of a "Sullivan-based" system throughout the entire organization. I know they are supposed to in WBS, not sure about Wheeling. And if they do, all 3 of your teams with playoff failure (including 1 not even qualifying) should be even more telling that this system is outdated and not effective.

WBS has a very young team and went through defensive ups and downs all year. I think it's as simple as young team, not quite good enough defensively, Lehigh has an old roster in AHL standards. Sucks, but I think next year will be better. They had 7 rookies on their 23 man playoff roster including Murashov. Also remember, McGroarty is a rookie and also didn't play. Not to make excuses because they should have won at least one game, but this was still a successful season in terms of development.

Consider this, next year Brunicke will still be a 19 year old rookie and probably in his 2nd playoff stint. As a defensemen, I think it would be unwise to think he's NHL ready right now, but he probably isn't far off.

They are young, but part of their off season was supposedly spent on improving the team overall. They weren't happy to go out in round 1 the previous year. To do it again is a big disappointment for sure.

As for Brunicke, no guarantee he plays in the playoffs next season. As you said, he's 19. Only way he'll be in WBS playoffs is if his Junior team doesn't qualify for the playoffs or gets bounced early.

Development wise, it was a good year for WBS. You can see vast improvement from where McGroarty was his first 3 games in the NHL, versus what we saw at the end of the season. I did not expect Koivunen to be this good, so that's a good progression. Broz also impressed.

But it is hurting the team a bit to keep getting bounced in the playoffs. Dubas wants to some of these guys to get that playoff experience, game on the line type of game situation, and for the 2nd year in a row, they've had an earlier than expected exit. I really wonder if it would have been different had Larsson not been injured. Murashov was fair, with a 3.07 GAA and .903 SV% in his one game. Blomqvist left injured, but was at 4.6 GAA and .885 SV% when he left after 2 periods. Gauthier 6.0 GAA and .714 SV% in one period (2 goals on 7 shots).

Don't get me wrong, I was very disappointed and expected more but last year we were wondering where the prospects were and this year is totally different. If I told you 10-11 players from the playoff roster will contribute in the NHL you might disagree with 1 or 2, if I told you that last year you'd disagree with 8 or 9. I'd consider contribute to like Kuhnhackl did (played more than 200 games).

Ponomarev, Koppanen, Poulin, Broz, Koivunen, Puustinen, McGroarty, Pickering, Brunicke, Kral, Blomqvist, Murasov

Are there any examples of a Minor League stable of players ready to move to the Major League that can be cited in comparison?

Maybe it's time to bypass the loser NHL coaches system and bring in a Teflon minor leagues coaching system?

As long as the current coach is around, the more I think about **** in the toilet that won't flush down the **** **** hole.

And, yah, I am not a happy Penguins fan three years removed from watching playoff hockey.

FIRE SULLIVAN!

[100565]

I know he's a longshot to acquire, but I can't imagine Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence are happy with their ice time in the playoffs with LA.

Mikey Anderson and Drew Doughty are averaging over 25 minutes a game.
Edmundson is at 21 minutes, Gavrikov is 19 and a half.
Brandt Clarke is only getting 11 minutes per game, and Jordan Spence is averaging just over 6 minutes per game. In last year's 1st round exit, Spence averaged just over 15 minutes TOI.

What's the deal with Brandt Clarke? I have not watched him too much. Is he absolutely terrible playing defense?

For the months of October and November he played 25 GP with 3G, 13A and +6 playing 18:44TOI. Those are amazing stats for a young D. December and January he played 22 GP with 0G, 8A and +2 playing 15:04 TOI. February and March he played 22GP with 2G, 5A and +3 playing 14:17 TOI.

For the season, 78 GP with 5G, 28A and +13 playing 16:17 TOI. For comparison, during the 24-25 regular season, only 39 defenseman in the NHL had more points than him.

[thehockeyguru]

I know he's a longshot to acquire, but I can't imagine Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence are happy with their ice time in the playoffs with LA.

Mikey Anderson and Drew Doughty are averaging over 25 minutes a game.
Edmundson is at 21 minutes, Gavrikov is 19 and a half.
Brandt Clarke is only getting 11 minutes per game, and Jordan Spence is averaging just over 6 minutes per game. In last year's 1st round exit, Spence averaged just over 15 minutes TOI.

What's the deal with Brandt Clarke? I have not watched him too much. Is he absolutely terrible playing defense?

For the months of October and November he played 25 GP with 3G, 13A and +6 playing 18:44TOI. Those are amazing stats for a young D. December and January he played 22 GP with 0G, 8A and +2 playing 15:04 TOI. February and March he played 22GP with 2G, 5A and +3 playing 14:17 TOI.

For the season, 78 GP with 5G, 28A and +13 playing 16:17 TOI. For comparison, during the 24-25 regular season, only 39 defenseman in the NHL had more points than him.

He got 11 minutes I think in Game 4 last night I haven't watched the Kings that much since they play late but the coach doesn't seem to have confidence in him.