Non-Pirates Baseball Thread

[Idoit40fans]

I think it must be mostly BABIP related. His k rate is way up, his walk rate is down, his other numbers are pretty steady.

I don't care abotu BABIP, though I guess it would go along with my belief that he is throwing fine.

[LeopardLetang]

i've had him all year, and he's struggled a bit. take away his white sox game and his numbers are fine. jurrjens will hopefully keep rolling. got him too. hope heyward catches fire again. had some good offers for him earlier in the season that i turned down.

[MWB]

I think it must be mostly BABIP related. His k rate is way up, his walk rate is down, his other numbers are pretty steady.

I don't care abotu BABIP, though I guess it would go along with my belief that he is throwing fine.

It's usually a pretty good predictor, especially with a guy who's stuff is as good as Hanson's.

[Idoit40fans]

i've had him all year, and he's struggled a bit. take away his white sox game and his numbers are fine. jurrjens will hopefully keep rolling. got him too. hope heyward catches fire again. had some good offers for him earlier in the season that i turned down.

Jurrjens had a good game tonight. I was between him and Hanson, I didn't want to spend 2 early picks on pitchers on the same team, so I went with Jurrjens first and then Hanson went a few picks before I was finally going to just take him. I'm fine with the choice though, Jurrjens is one of my favorite players.

[LeopardLetang]

i've had him all year, and he's struggled a bit. take away his white sox game and his numbers are fine. jurrjens will hopefully keep rolling. got him too. hope heyward catches fire again. had some good offers for him earlier in the season that i turned down.

Jurrjens had a good game tonight. I was between him and Hanson, I didn't want to spend 2 early picks on pitchers on the same team, so I went with Jurrjens first and then Hanson went a few picks before I was finally going to just take him. I'm fine with the choice though, Jurrjens is one of my favorite players.

jurrjens was a tough guy for me to read stat wise since he had a higher whip than i would have expected considering his minuscule era last year. hanson was the easy choice for me because of his k rate. but then during the draft my cable company accidentally shut off my internet and jurrjens got autodrafted along with kuroda (which has been ok) and carlos gonzalez who i never would have drafted but lucked out with. jurrjens is interesting though. saw him on tv a couple times last year and he really stood out. doesn't he have a nasty sinker or change? i remember something highly impressive about him during a prime time game last year

[Idoit40fans]

i've had him all year, and he's struggled a bit. take away his white sox game and his numbers are fine. jurrjens will hopefully keep rolling. got him too. hope heyward catches fire again. had some good offers for him earlier in the season that i turned down.

Jurrjens had a good game tonight. I was between him and Hanson, I didn't want to spend 2 early picks on pitchers on the same team, so I went with Jurrjens first and then Hanson went a few picks before I was finally going to just take him. I'm fine with the choice though, Jurrjens is one of my favorite players.

jurrjens was a tough guy for me to read stat wise since he had a higher whip than i would have expected considering his minuscule era last year. hanson was the easy choice for me because of his k rate. but then during the draft my cable company accidentally shut off my internet and jurrjens got autodrafted along with kuroda (which has been ok) and carlos gonzalez who i never would have drafted but lucked out with. jurrjens is interesting though. saw him on tv a couple times last year and he really stood out. doesn't he have a nasty sinker or change? i remember something highly impressive about him during a prime time game last year

I just think he has great command. His slider is pretty good, but i'd say his changeup is his second best pitch. He has a real good changeup, and he's just a classic braves pitcher, he throws mostly fastballs even if he doesn't have an overpowering one. I think he can get up to like 94 sometimes, but he's basically a low 90s fastball pitcher.

[Idoit40fans]

This Baltimore game is sweet.

[Idoit40fans]

O's win!!! Their magic number(to be eliminated from the division race) does not change.

[beerman]

I think it must be mostly BABIP related. His k rate is way up, his walk rate is down, his other numbers are pretty steady.

I don't care abotu BABIP, though I guess it would go along with my belief that he is throwing fine.

It's usually a pretty good predictor, especially with a guy who's stuff is as good as Hanson's.

Yeah, he's got a .350 babip this year. That looks like where his struggles, if you'd call it that, are coming from. His walk rate is down, k rate is up and hr rate is dead on with last season. That should probably come back closer to the norm by the end of the year or if nothing else by next season.

[Troy Loney]

Talking on Baseball Tonight how the Phils are looking to get a front end starter and how they'd end up paying more for one now than they would have if they just kept Lee. 20/20 hindsight, but it's looking like that may have been the worst off-season move of the past year.

that gm really made the worst sequence of moves i can ever remember a gm making.

[SolidSnake]

i've had him all year, and he's struggled a bit. take away his white sox game and his numbers are fine. jurrjens will hopefully keep rolling. got him too. hope heyward catches fire again. had some good offers for him earlier in the season that i turned down.

Jurrjens had a good game tonight. I was between him and Hanson, I didn't want to spend 2 early picks on pitchers on the same team, so I went with Jurrjens first and then Hanson went a few picks before I was finally going to just take him. I'm fine with the choice though, Jurrjens is one of my favorite players.

Didnt he get dealt to the Pirates but the deal fell through cause of injury?

[MWB]

Minor league baseball has instituted blood testing for HGH. Obviously they're not part of the collective bargaining unit, so it doesn't effect the majors, but it's interesting.

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[Cookestache]

Talking on Baseball Tonight how the Phils are looking to get a front end starter and how they'd end up paying more for one now than they would have if they just kept Lee. 20/20 hindsight, but it's looking like that may have been the worst off-season move of the past year.

that gm really made the worst sequence of moves i can ever remember a gm making.

Plus they need bats right now. Not a good situation.

[MWB]

that gm really made the worst sequence of moves i can ever remember a gm making.

Plus they need bats right now. Not a good situation.

They're supposedly trying to deal Werth in any pitcher deal though, so they can dump his salary and call up Dominic Brown. Although with as poorly as Werth has hit recently, might be addition by subtraction, and Brown is lighting it up in the minors.

[Cookestache]

that gm really made the worst sequence of moves i can ever remember a gm making.

Plus they need bats right now. Not a good situation.

They're supposedly trying to deal Werth in any pitcher deal though, so they can dump his salary and call up Dominic Brown. Although with as poorly as Werth has hit recently, might be addition by subtraction, and Brown is lighting it up in the minors.

Brown's terrific, absolutely. In any case, though, they screwed things up.

[Draftnik]

I was driving around Philly the past few days and all they did on 610 was cry about trading Cliff Lee and squawk about having to pick up Oswalt's $16M option. I couldn't understand the Lee trade at the time. It made no sense to trade him because they picked up Halladay. If team is trying to win why would they trade one of the top few Ps in MLB?

[Troy Loney]

It made no sense to trade him because they picked up Halladay. If team is trying to win why would they trade one of the top few Ps in MLB?

I don't know how you can possibly spin that whole sequence of events to make sense out of it, the only conceivable explanation was that they couldn't afford the salary for both lee and halladay this season. So basically the phillies think that halladay is so much better than lee that they would jump through all those hoops and unload great prospects in exchange for crap prospects in order to swap the two pitchers. What a doofus....while i like that the phillies fans have to suffer through this, i think it sucks, i like the phillies' team. That lineup was fun to watch in the playoffs with utley, howard & werth.

[MWB]

That was the reason the Phillies gave at the time.... money and need to re-fill on prospects. They supposedly don't want to pay a luxury tax. I guess they figured if they could go to the WS with Cliff Lee for part of the season, they could at least do as well with Roy Halladay for a full season. In a vacuum that's not bad logic, but it doesn't account for other teams improving.

[KennyTheKangaroo]

Kenny the kangaroo occasionally reads a philadelphia related message board, and the general idea is that the phighten phils were on a budget, and having both guys would put them over budget

plus, there was something about how they knew cliff lee was hitting the highway when he became an FA.

not that any of it makes sense

[beerman]

If the Phils were deadset on getting Halladay and flipping Lee elsewhere they should've tried to get a 3 or 4 team deal in place. That way they could've got Halladay, given Lee to 3rd team and the 3rd team could've given up most of the prospects. They might've had to kick one in, but it wouldn't have looked nearly as foolish as the way they did it.

[MWB]

Olney now saying that Haren is probably going to get moved. Detroit, STL, PHI, NYY in on talks so far. If Haren and Oswalt both get dealt, could make for some big shifts in the standings.

[beerman]

Olney now saying that Haren is probably going to get moved. Detroit, STL, PHI, NYY in on talks so far. If Haren and Oswalt both get dealt, could make for some big shifts in the standings.

Yeah, that'll be really interesting to see what happens. Based on how badly he seems to want to end up in Stl I think that's where Oswalt goes and really leaves the others scrambling for Haren. Which will probaby help the Dbacks out in the return. I don't think the Yankees really need another arm but they'll probably make quite the pitch for him. Their biggest chip is probably Jesus Montero (I'm guessing since he was rumored in the Cliff Lee deal that fell through) but Arizona doesn't really need another catcher unless they're shipping out Snyder in a seperate deal.

[MWB]

I think the Yanks will probably end up getting a lesser pitcher, like Lilly. You're right, if they go for Haren it will have to include Montero. He's a catcher now, but may not end up staying there.

[MWB]

Dan Haren dealt to the Angels for Joe Saunders and a couple minor league pitchers. Doesn't seem like a great return, and more like a salary dump. Kind of surprised they didn't get more.

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[SolidSnake]

Dan Haren dealt to the Angels for Joe Saunders and a couple minor league pitchers. Doesn't seem like a great return, and more like a salary dump. Kind of surprised they didn't get more.

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Maybe this will get the snowball rolling