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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

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We have all of this goaltending depth but KD might need to trade for a goalie. Murashov isn't ready. Ned is a backup. Jarry is a non-entity and Blomqvist doesn't appear to be a #1.
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KG wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:48 pm
We have all of this goaltending depth but KD might need to trade for a goalie. Murashov isn't ready. Ned is a backup. Jarry is a non-entity and Blomqvist doesn't appear to be a #1.
I saw a guy today claiming Anaheim brought in Husso to take over for Gibson as the backup, and that Penguins should trade for Gibson. Gibson's numbers are actually better than any goalie we have on the roster.

I think I saw another article that stated Edmonton has strong interest in Gibson, so, it could be possible the Ducks brought in Husso before dealing Gibson elsewhere. We don't need Gibson without shipping out another goalie.
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Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
Sid should know it is a means to an end. What would Sid do if you gave Rust and Rakell to Geno and gave Sid the wingers who are "good 3rd liners on a good team?"

If this team keeps making decisions to please Sid, Geno, Letang, Karlsson, Rust, and Rakell, it's gonna be a looooooooooooong time until we sniff the playoffs again.
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FLPensFan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:35 pm
Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
Sid should know it is a means to an end. What would Sid do if you gave Rust and Rakell to Geno and gave Sid the wingers who are "good 3rd liners on a good team?"

If this team keeps making decisions to please Sid, Geno, Letang, Karlsson, Rust, and Rakell, it's gonna be a looooooooooooong time until we sniff the playoffs again.
Been saying that same thing for years. Geno one day should write a book titled ‘how I got the shaft year after year and still produced points’
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FLPensFan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:33 pm
KG wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:48 pm
We have all of this goaltending depth but KD might need to trade for a goalie. Murashov isn't ready. Ned is a backup. Jarry is a non-entity and Blomqvist doesn't appear to be a #1.
I saw a guy today claiming Anaheim brought in Husso to take over for Gibson as the backup, and that Penguins should trade for Gibson. Gibson's numbers are actually better than any goalie we have on the roster.

I think I saw another article that stated Edmonton has strong interest in Gibson, so, it could be possible the Ducks brought in Husso before dealing Gibson elsewhere. We don't need Gibson without shipping out another goalie.
There is zero reason we should be trading for an old goalie.
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lemieuxReturns wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:42 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:33 pm
KG wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:48 pm
We have all of this goaltending depth but KD might need to trade for a goalie. Murashov isn't ready. Ned is a backup. Jarry is a non-entity and Blomqvist doesn't appear to be a #1.
I saw a guy today claiming Anaheim brought in Husso to take over for Gibson as the backup, and that Penguins should trade for Gibson. Gibson's numbers are actually better than any goalie we have on the roster.

I think I saw another article that stated Edmonton has strong interest in Gibson, so, it could be possible the Ducks brought in Husso before dealing Gibson elsewhere. We don't need Gibson without shipping out another goalie.
There is zero reason we should be trading for an old goalie.
If Florida is interested in EK maybe we would have interest in Spencer Knight?
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Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
I'd be shocked if we move Rust and I doubt Rakell, but if we get good offers both should be n the table.

Regarding Sid, we haven't won a playoff series since 2018. The constants from that time are the core and the coach. And the coach wouldn't be here if the core didn't want him to be. Point being, we need to worry about the team more than any individual player, even as great as they might be.
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At the beginning of the season we thought goaltending was our strength, we were set, near the top of the league. What the heck happened? Talk about total collapse. Now this is another problem KD has to address. As others have repeatedly stated we have no intention trading our 30+ players. They’ll become Saints before they are traded, at least that’s how we treat them. This thought process is going to get us nowhere fast.
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Wyopen wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:47 am
At the beginning of the season we thought goaltending was our strength, we were set, near the top of the league. What the heck happened? Talk about total collapse. Now this is another problem KD has to address. As others have repeatedly stated we have no intention trading our 30+ players. They’ll become Saints before they are traded, at least that’s how we treat them. This thought process is going to get us nowhere fast.
If you mean Jarry and Ned, I am pretty sure no one on these boards ever said goaltending was our strength. There are a lot of us that knew for a fact it was really really bad. Now, the youngsters down in the minors people seem to have an optimism for, but we don't really know yet what we have there.
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Michael74 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:12 pm
Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
I'd be shocked if we move Rust and I doubt Rakell, but if we get good offers both should be n the table.

Regarding Sid, we haven't won a playoff series since 2018. The constants from that time are the core and the coach. And the coach wouldn't be here if the core didn't want him to be. Point being, we need to worry about the team more than any individual player, even as great as they might be.
The chances Rakell has the same or better season next year is not likely. If the point is to get the best assets to rebuild as possible, now is the time to trade Rakell.
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lemieuxReturns wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:11 am
Michael74 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:12 pm
Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
I'd be shocked if we move Rust and I doubt Rakell, but if we get good offers both should be n the table.

Regarding Sid, we haven't won a playoff series since 2018. The constants from that time are the core and the coach. And the coach wouldn't be here if the core didn't want him to be. Point being, we need to worry about the team more than any individual player, even as great as they might be.
The chances Rakell has the same or better season next year is not likely. If the point is to get the best assets to rebuild as possible, now is the time to trade Rakell.
No problem with a trade, as long as it isn’t a Ron Hextall head scratcher trade. Got to believe Rakell would yield a huge return from a cup pretender.
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I really like Rakell but I'm hoping that some GM gets a bit trigger happy next week and feels he needs to make a trade before a rival does and overpays. Rakell will still be tradeable in the summer as well, which gives KD a chance to weigh offers. That extra year of term isn't bad for his production. But I would love to see a couple of teams feel they need him (and would like to keep him away from a rival) and get into a bidding war.

I also like Bunting but he could be a left-field chip this deadline. He has a year left at a manageable cap hit and is a playoff-type player. Someone may also overpay for him if they lose out on Rakell or are dealing with injuries. Hayes is another who could provide some nice depth, if not this coming week, then maybe next year's deadline.
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lemieuxReturns wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:10 am
Wyopen wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:47 am
At the beginning of the season we thought goaltending was our strength, we were set, near the top of the league. What the heck happened? Talk about total collapse. Now this is another problem KD has to address. As others have repeatedly stated we have no intention trading our 30+ players. They’ll become Saints before they are traded, at least that’s how we treat them. This thought process is going to get us nowhere fast.
If you mean Jarry and Ned, I am pretty sure no one on these boards ever said goaltending was our strength. There are a lot of us that knew for a fact it was really really bad. Now, the youngsters down in the minors people seem to have an optimism for, but we don't really know yet what we have there.
Yeah, I don't where that line of thinking is coming from. Jarry was pretty much unplayable down the stretch last year, and I don't think many people thought he was suddenly revert back to all-star form. And even though Ned won a lot of games down the stretch last year, his underlying numbers were mediocre, and I think most people expected to revert to his career-normal form of being a solid #2 but not a solid #1.
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Re. goaltending, I agree with others that while Ned is a solid #2, he's not a reliable #1. I love his attidude and honesty though. As for Blomqvist, I would play him a couple games more and see if he rebounds. If not, send him down and bring up Larsson for a spell. Don't even think of bringing up Jarry - that ship has sailed.
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lemieuxReturns wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:11 am
Michael74 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:12 pm
Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
I'd be shocked if we move Rust and I doubt Rakell, but if we get good offers both should be n the table.

Regarding Sid, we haven't won a playoff series since 2018. The constants from that time are the core and the coach. And the coach wouldn't be here if the core didn't want him to be. Point being, we need to worry about the team more than any individual player, even as great as they might be.
The chances Rakell has the same or better season next year is not likely. If the point is to get the best assets to rebuild as possible, now is the time to trade Rakell.
As long as the return is very good I agree. That said, I wouldn't take much less than a premium return. At his cap hit and the fact that he's under contract for two more season beyond this it wouldn't be the end of the world if he wasn't moved. But to be clear moving him would be a strong preference in the right deal no question.
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Michael74 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:57 am
lemieuxReturns wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:11 am
Michael74 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 10:12 pm
Southern Fan wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:00 pm
Wonder how Sid reacts to getting rid of of his wingers 2 years in a row if Rakell gets traded? Someone said that the Rakell-Crosby-Rust line is one of the most productive lines in the NHL this year. Better get an incredible return for Rakell if he gets traded.
I'd be shocked if we move Rust and I doubt Rakell, but if we get good offers both should be n the table.

Regarding Sid, we haven't won a playoff series since 2018. The constants from that time are the core and the coach. And the coach wouldn't be here if the core didn't want him to be. Point being, we need to worry about the team more than any individual player, even as great as they might be.
The chances Rakell has the same or better season next year is not likely. If the point is to get the best assets to rebuild as possible, now is the time to trade Rakell.
As long as the return is very good I agree. That said, I wouldn't take much less than a premium return. At his cap hit and the fact that he's under contract for two more season beyond this it wouldn't be the end of the world if he wasn't moved. But to be clear moving him would be a strong preference in the right deal no question.

Definitely no reason at all to be in a hurry on Rakell, since he's not a UFA. If you think he can net more in the offseason, by all means, just wait.
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Rakell is the right value for money, and we have control. To me, we'd have to be overcompensated to trade him.
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I think there could be a market for Rakell. He's having a good season, has a reasonable cap hit, and seems like a guy whose game will hold up in the playoffs. If you're the GM of a team that thinks they really have a shot at the Cup this season, this seems like the sort of player you'd be willing to spend a 1st-rounder plus on.

I looked back at the Pens' deal for Zucker as a comparison. The Wild got a 1st-rounder, Addison (a good, not great prospect), and Galchenyuk (a cap dump). Would people take that deal of a 1st + a good prospect?
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If Letang or even Malkin were professionals, they would go to KD and say “trade me” so I can help the Pens get futures and younger. I know that will never happen. It would take a lot of guts for either to state that.
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largegarlic wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:33 am
I think there could be a market for Rakell. He's having a good season, has a reasonable cap hit, and seems like a guy whose game will hold up in the playoffs. If you're the GM of a team that thinks they really have a shot at the Cup this season, this seems like the sort of player you'd be willing to spend a 1st-rounder plus on.

I looked back at the Pens' deal for Zucker as a comparison. The Wild got a 1st-rounder, Addison (a good, not great prospect), and Galchenyuk (a cap dump). Would people take that deal of a 1st + a good prospect?
Addison was a pretty highly regarded at the time, and mobile offensive Dmen were all the rage, so the price was pretty high.

I wouldn't take a (late) 1st and "good" prospect personally. I think they can get a bit more TBH, even if other pieces have to be involved (taking a bad contract back, swapping picks, etc).
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Rakell is going to be 32 and is having a strong year. Now is the time to trade him. The team will most likely be worse or the same next year and Rakell can easily regress. Would be good to have some foresight in the organization to make hockey trades and not just trade away pending UFA's.

We need to take some big swings if we want to replenish the system quickly.

Trading Rakell should get us a 1st, solid prospect and now player (preferably on short term contract)
Trading EK with retention should net around the same.

We could have 5 first round picks over the next 2 years potentially. KD could definitely make a good trade for a younger now player with some of these picks we can accumulate.

We don't need any more 32+ players on this roster. Trade Rakell while his value is high and trade for his younger replacement.
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Bunting not at practice today. Haven't heard if he's injured but he's another player we should definitely look to trade for future assets. 1 year left at $4.5mill. A playoff team would definitely have interest in his type of game for a playoff run.
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KG wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:01 pm
Rakell is going to be 32 and is having a strong year. Now is the time to trade him. The team will most likely be worse or the same next year and Rakell can easily regress. Would be good to have some foresight in the organization to make hockey trades and not just trade away pending UFA's.

We need to take some big swings if we want to replenish the system quickly.

Trading Rakell should get us a 1st, solid prospect and now player (preferably on short term contract)
Trading EK with retention should net around the same.

We could have 5 first round picks over the next 2 years potentially. KD could definitely make a good trade for a younger now player with some of these picks we can accumulate.

We don't need any more 32+ players on this roster. Trade Rakell while his value is high and trade for his younger replacement.
That's what is so frustrating Dubas has stayed a reluctance to trade vets because he wants the young guys to learn from them. That's fine but you can still trade Rakell and Rust then sign a couple vets in free agency. Then when their contracts are up flip them for more assets.

I'm starting to think Dubas is the problem, I think he can identify young talent but I don't think he can build s Cup winning team.
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pfim wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:29 am
Rakell is the right value for money, and we have control. To me, we'd have to be overcompensated to trade him.
I don't understand. Do you think we can challenge for the cup next year? If Rakell scored 50 goals and had a 5 year contract for a million dollars a year, we should be leveraging that to get a better return.
EVERY player on the team should be thought of as a tradeable for younger players and draft picks.
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KG wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:11 pm
Bunting not at practice today. Haven't heard if he's injured but he's another player we should definitely look to trade for future assets. 1 year left at $4.5mill. A playoff team would definitely have interest in his type of game for a playoff run.
I remember he got hurt in the game yesterday. Jammed an arm/elbow/shoulder. Went to the bench and looked fine, and continued to play the game.