Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[Michael74]

Reagarding Rakell, IF we could get a '26 1st and an A level prospect you do it ASAP! I think however that'd be unlikely even in a sellers market.

I've seen the Rakell for a '26 1st and Trevor Moore rumors. I could see something like that happening. Maybe we can squeeze out another piece from the Kings but that's probably a fair look at what we could garner back.

We could maybe do:

Rakell and our worst '25 3rd To LA

for

'26 1st, '27 2hd and Trevor Moore

[KG]

Reagarding Rakell, IF we could get a '26 1st and an A level prospect you do it ASAP! I think however that'd be unlikely even in a sellers market.

I've seen the Rakell for a '26 1st and Trevor Moore rumors. I could see something like that happening. Maybe we can squeeze out another piece from the Kings but that's probably a fair look at what we could garner back.

We could maybe do:

Rakell and our worst '25 3rd To LA

for

'26 1st, '27 2hd and Trevor Moore

Rakell and Lizotte for 26 1st, Turcotte and Moore might make sense for both teams. Kings have familiarity with Lizotte. Turcotte isn't playing a ton in LA but he has the tools and is young.

[Michael74]

Reagarding Rakell, IF we could get a '26 1st and an A level prospect you do it ASAP! I think however that'd be unlikely even in a sellers market.

I've seen the Rakell for a '26 1st and Trevor Moore rumors. I could see something like that happening. Maybe we can squeeze out another piece from the Kings but that's probably a fair look at what we could garner back.

We could maybe do:

Rakell and our worst '25 3rd To LA

for

'26 1st, '27 2hd and Trevor Moore

Rakell and Lizotte for 26 1st, Turcotte and Moore might make sense for both teams. Kings have familiarity with Lizotte. Turcotte isn't playing a ton in LA but he has the tools and is young.

I'd me amenable to that most definitely. If the Kings would be willing let's do it!

[FLPensFan]

Reagarding Rakell, IF we could get a '26 1st and an A level prospect you do it ASAP! I think however that'd be unlikely even in a sellers market.

I've seen the Rakell for a '26 1st and Trevor Moore rumors. I could see something like that happening. Maybe we can squeeze out another piece from the Kings but that's probably a fair look at what we could garner back.

We could maybe do:

Rakell and our worst '25 3rd To LA

for

'26 1st, '27 2hd and Trevor Moore

If there isn't a A-level prospect, near NHL ready prospect, or young NHLer coming back in the deal, I don't think Dubas pulls the trigger. There's no point in making a deal without a piece like that included. It doesn't fit the intended plan, which is to rebuild/retool on the fly by getting younger players in return.

Trevor Moore is the same age as Rakell, has the same number of years left, and is 800K cheaper. Trevor Moore solves zero issues for the Penguins.

If it's LA, and they want to dump cap, the best piece they can do without would be UFA to be Tanner Jeannot.
Turcotte doesn't move the needle for me in terms of high quality return. He turned 24 today, and his 7 goals is his highest output to date for an undersized center who was a 5th overall pick. Hard Pass.

LA could use Rakell to replace Turcotte in their top 6. LA wants Rakell, one of Clarke, Spence, or Greentree should be in the deal.

I still look at a team like Detroit, who has tons of cap space and a need for a Rakell. Rakell would replace Marco Kasper in their top 6. Rakell, Raymond, DeBrincat, and Kane is a pretty sick collection of top 6 wingers. Kasper turns 21 in April. He was an 8th overall pick, he's playing wing for Detroit instead of center. Not sure if the jury is out on him being a center or not.

Rakell and Lizotte (added center depth, they just lost Copp for the year) to Detroit for 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd (Rangers) and Marco Kasper.

New Jersey has 34 year old Tatar in their top 6. He has 6 goals in 53 games. New Jersey has Noesen in their top 6. He has 19 goals...that's a career year for him. His 14 goals last year were his previous career high. NJ has Ondrej Palat in their top 6. Good player, 13 goals this year, but he's more of a setup guy. He has a 23 goal season his 2nd year in the league, and never topped 20 goals again. NJ could use another solid top 6 option.

Rakell to NJ for Nemec and a 2nd or Silayev (can't leave KHL til 2026)

If Carolina decided to move Rantanen because they can't re-sign him, and he hasn't exactly fit into their system as of yet, Carolina will need more firepower.

Rakell to CAR for Alexander Nikishin and a 2025 2nd.

Those are the type of deals Dubas should be looking at. Look at Greentree or Kasper as potential centers for the Penguins, or look at Clarke, Spence, Nemec, Silayev, or Nikishin to improve the defense. Nikishin is probably hands down the best player in this list, and Silayev may be 2nd best.

[FLPensFan]

McGroarty heating up in WBS. 8 points in his last 6 games, 3 goals, 5 assists. Up to 9 goals, 29 points on the year. Koivunen is also currently the top point producing rookie in the AHL with 16 goals, 45 points. Only 4 rookies have more goals than Koivunen.

[Michael74]

Reagarding Rakell, IF we could get a '26 1st and an A level prospect you do it ASAP! I think however that'd be unlikely even in a sellers market.

I've seen the Rakell for a '26 1st and Trevor Moore rumors. I could see something like that happening. Maybe we can squeeze out another piece from the Kings but that's probably a fair look at what we could garner back.

We could maybe do:

Rakell and our worst '25 3rd To LA

for

'26 1st, '27 2hd and Trevor Moore

If there isn't a A-level prospect, near NHL ready prospect, or young NHLer coming back in the deal, I don't think Dubas pulls the trigger. There's no point in making a deal without a piece like that included. It doesn't fit the intended plan, which is to rebuild/retool on the fly by getting younger players in return.

Trevor Moore is the same age as Rakell, has the same number of years left, and is 800K cheaper. Trevor Moore solves zero issues for the Penguins.

If it's LA, and they want to dump cap, the best piece they can do without would be UFA to be Tanner Jeannot.
Turcotte doesn't move the needle for me in terms of high quality return. He turned 24 today, and his 7 goals is his highest output to date for an undersized center who was a 5th overall pick. Hard Pass.

LA could use Rakell to replace Turcotte in their top 6. LA wants Rakell, one of Clarke, Spence, or Greentree should be in the deal.

I still look at a team like Detroit, who has tons of cap space and a need for a Rakell. Rakell would replace Marco Kasper in their top 6. Rakell, Raymond, DeBrincat, and Kane is a pretty sick collection of top 6 wingers. Kasper turns 21 in April. He was an 8th overall pick, he's playing wing for Detroit instead of center. Not sure if the jury is out on him being a center or not.

Rakell and Lizotte (added center depth, they just lost Copp for the year) to Detroit for 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd (Rangers) and Marco Kasper.

New Jersey has 34 year old Tatar in their top 6. He has 6 goals in 53 games. New Jersey has Noesen in their top 6. He has 19 goals...that's a career year for him. His 14 goals last year were his previous career high. NJ has Ondrej Palat in their top 6. Good player, 13 goals this year, but he's more of a setup guy. He has a 23 goal season his 2nd year in the league, and never topped 20 goals again. NJ could use another solid top 6 option.

Rakell to NJ for Nemec and a 2nd or Silayev (can't leave KHL til 2026)

If Carolina decided to move Rantanen because they can't re-sign him, and he hasn't exactly fit into their system as of yet, Carolina will need more firepower.

Rakell to CAR for Alexander Nikishin and a 2025 2nd.

Those are the type of deals Dubas should be looking at. Look at Greentree or Kasper as potential centers for the Penguins, or look at Clarke, Spence, Nemec, Silayev, or Nikishin to improve the defense. Nikishin is probably hands down the best player in this list, and Silayev may be 2nd best.

Trevore Moore is about to turn 30 at the end of march, Rakell is 32 in May I believe. The chief objective is to garner and accrue high picks and prospects. To develop them and start anew. The Crosby era is effectively over. Dubas isn't gonna state it openly, he still needs to sell tickets, but the Guentzel trade and the MP trade tell you the direction he's going. Prospects, draft picks and cap dumps. If he could pry away an almost ready made NHLer prospect, he should absolutely do so. But I believe any such deal needs to start with a '26 1st or equivalent. If he could could get a blue chip prospect in addition that'd be great, It just might be a hard ask. Not sure Rakell is quite worth that much.

Also, IF you get rid of Rakell you likely fall further in the standings. That should be the desired result under the circumstances. In theory anyhow.

[Daniel]

McGroarty heating up in WBS. 8 points in his last 6 games, 3 goals, 5 assists. Up to 9 goals, 29 points on the year. Koivunen is also currently the top point producing rookie in the AHL with 16 goals, 45 points. Only 4 rookies have more goals than Koivunen.

Ever since Jarry got to WBS their defense hasn't been as good. They've been giving up a lot of goals lately. They're still close to the top seed in their division, but I wish they'd make Jarry the 3rd string barely plays goalie and let Murasov and Larsson play the rest of the way.

[FLPensFan]

McGroarty heating up in WBS. 8 points in his last 6 games, 3 goals, 5 assists. Up to 9 goals, 29 points on the year. Koivunen is also currently the top point producing rookie in the AHL with 16 goals, 45 points. Only 4 rookies have more goals than Koivunen.

Ever since Jarry got to WBS their defense hasn't been as good. They've been giving up a lot of goals lately. They're still close to the top seed in their division, but I wish they'd make Jarry the 3rd string barely plays goalie and let Murasov and Larsson play the rest of the way.

Jarry is 6-5 in the AHL. 2.47 GAA, .913 SV%. In 11 games, he's given up 4 goals 4 times, 3 goals twice, 1 goal 3 times, 2 goals once and 1 shutout. In 5 of his 11 games, he has a sub-900 SV%. In 3 starts in February, he's given up 3, 0, 4, and 4 goals. Aside from the shutout, the other 3 games are all sub-900 SV% games.

In 17 games, Larsson has 7 sub-900 SV% games. Since he's come back from injury, he's 1-0-1, giving up 1 goal in the win, and 5 goals in the loss.

Murashov hasn't played in the AHL since February 8th. In 6 starts, he's 6-0. Gave up 4 goals twice, 1 goal twice, 1 2-goal game and a shutout. In February in the ECHL, Murashov is 1-3, with 7 goals against in 4 games. A 3 goal game, two 2 goal games, and a shutout. In his 3 losses, his SV% was .946, .938, and .909.

Jarry should not be holding back Murashov. Without watching video, maybe Murashov has given up a weak goal. I dunno. But just looking at the stats, when you lose 3 games and your goalie has a .931 SV% total in across those 3 losses, goaltending was the reason you lost.

[Michael74]

Trading a 4th rounder for Tomasino looks like a very solid move. It's an under the radar trade that definitely suggests we garnered good value there. Whatever moves forward Kyle makes he's gotta extract good value.

Since his 1st summer here he's done a good joob in doing so.

The deciding variable is hitting on our 1sts over the next three years. They need to make up our nucleus for the next generation. We can't miss on them. They might not (won't) be Sid or Geno level, but you can get some nice pieces if you draft and develop well. That's where our primary focal point needs to be.

We have some nice complimentary pieces in the system and I'm very high on Murashov, but our future core is largely yet to be drafted IMO.

[Pens4Life]

Rakell and Lizotte for 26' 1st , Moore and Turcotte doesnt make sense from a lot of reasons, as FLPens already wrote..

We need younger guys, picks and prospects.. not exactly 29yrs old Moore on long term deal with 4.2M AAV.

Rakell just for 26' pick and Turcotte, ok..rather do that, if anything, but even 24yrs Alex isnt intriguing that much.

[Daniel]

McGroarty heating up in WBS. 8 points in his last 6 games, 3 goals, 5 assists. Up to 9 goals, 29 points on the year. Koivunen is also currently the top point producing rookie in the AHL with 16 goals, 45 points. Only 4 rookies have more goals than Koivunen.

Ever since Jarry got to WBS their defense hasn't been as good. They've been giving up a lot of goals lately. They're still close to the top seed in their division, but I wish they'd make Jarry the 3rd string barely plays goalie and let Murasov and Larsson play the rest of the way.

Jarry is 6-5 in the AHL. 2.47 GAA, .913 SV%. In 11 games, he's given up 4 goals 4 times, 3 goals twice, 1 goal 3 times, 2 goals once and 1 shutout. In 5 of his 11 games, he has a sub-900 SV%. In 3 starts in February, he's given up 3, 0, 4, and 4 goals. Aside from the shutout, the other 3 games are all sub-900 SV% games.

In 17 games, Larsson has 7 sub-900 SV% games. Since he's come back from injury, he's 1-0-1, giving up 1 goal in the win, and 5 goals in the loss.

Murashov hasn't played in the AHL since February 8th. In 6 starts, he's 6-0. Gave up 4 goals twice, 1 goal twice, 1 2-goal game and a shutout. In February in the ECHL, Murashov is 1-3, with 7 goals against in 4 games. A 3 goal game, two 2 goal games, and a shutout. In his 3 losses, his SV% was .946, .938, and .909.

Jarry should not be holding back Murashov. Without watching video, maybe Murashov has given up a weak goal. I dunno. But just looking at the stats, when you lose 3 games and your goalie has a .931 SV% total in across those 3 losses, goaltending was the reason you lost.

The AHL has some funky scheduling and I can see them having 3 goalies on the roster. Let Murashov get the majority of the starts and all into the playoffs. Jarry and Larsson are either depth goalies or trade fodder whereas Murashov could be the franchise goalie. WBS has a pretty young team so might as well see what the youth can do in the postseason.

[Cow_Master66]

Trading a 4th rounder for Tomasino looks like a very solid move. It's an under the radar trade that definitely suggests we garnered good value there. Whatever moves forward Kyle makes he's gotta extract good value.

Since his 1st summer here he's done a good joob in doing so.

The deciding variable is hitting on our 1sts over the next three years. They need to make up our nucleus for the next generation. We can't miss on them. They might not (won't) be Sid or Geno level, but you can get some nice pieces if you draft and develop well. That's where our primary focal point needs to be.

We have some nice complimentary pieces in the system and I'm very high on Murashov, but our future core is largely yet to be drafted IMO.

This team is more than 3 years away. They need to collect as much draft capital as possible, have solid 1st round selections, but have enough 2nd-mid pick success to built up a pool of talent for 5-6 years from now.

[lemieuxReturns]

Apparently the ask from the Canucks for Boeser is a 1st round pick either 2025 or 2026 + a legit prospect.

-This is from Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects - link to HF https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/cam ... t.2988809/

Boeser is 28 and carries a 6.65 cap hit and is a UFA after this season.
Rakell is 31 and carries a 5M cap hit for this season and 3 more.

Boeser's next contract is expected to be in the 9M range (according to daily hive https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/predict ... nucks-ufas)
hockeynews has it over 8.5 (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... his-season)

If the ask is a 1st and top prospect for Boeser, I am looking at a 1st and a top prospect ++ for Rakell. Getting Rakell for the next three seasons with a cap hit of only 5M when the cap is increasing significantly is an amazing deal, especially for a team that is expecting to compete for the next three seasons.

[thehockeyguru]

Apparently the ask from the Canucks for Boeser is a 1st round pick either 2025 or 2026 + a legit prospect.

-This is from Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects - link to HF https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/cam ... t.2988809/

Boeser is 28 and carries a 6.65 cap hit and is a UFA after this season.
Rakell is 31 and carries a 5M cap hit for this season and 3 more.

Boeser's next contract is expected to be in the 9M range (according to daily hive https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/predict ... nucks-ufas)
hockeynews has it over 8.5 (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... his-season)

If the ask is a 1st and top prospect for Boeser, I am looking at a 1st and a top prospect ++ for Rakell. Getting Rakell for the next three seasons with a cap hit of only 5M when the cap is increasing significantly is an amazing deal, especially for a team that is expecting to compete for the next three seasons.

I think the key to a Rakell deal is getting it done by the deadline. He is by far the best forward option, waiting until the summer will dilute his value, teams can sign UFAs without giving up assets.

That's why I'm for retaining on Rakell so a deal can be done by the deadline. Retention would drive up the number of potential suitors and thus increase the likely return. We have zero chance of being competitive during the years we'd be retaining on Rakell so might as well retain and max out the return

Moving Rakell by the deadline for a 1st and A prospect would be a shot in the arm for the rebuild

[Cow_Master66]

Apparently the ask from the Canucks for Boeser is a 1st round pick either 2025 or 2026 + a legit prospect.

-This is from Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects - link to HF https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/cam ... t.2988809/

Boeser is 28 and carries a 6.65 cap hit and is a UFA after this season.
Rakell is 31 and carries a 5M cap hit for this season and 3 more.

Boeser's next contract is expected to be in the 9M range (according to daily hive https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/predict ... nucks-ufas)
hockeynews has it over 8.5 (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... his-season)

If the ask is a 1st and top prospect for Boeser, I am looking at a 1st and a top prospect ++ for Rakell. Getting Rakell for the next three seasons with a cap hit of only 5M when the cap is increasing significantly is an amazing deal, especially for a team that is expecting to compete for the next three seasons.

I think the key to a Rakell deal is getting it done by the deadline. He is by far the best forward option, waiting until the summer will dilute his value, teams can sign UFAs without giving up assets.

That's why I'm for retaining on Rakell so a deal can be done by the deadline. Retention would drive up the number of potential suitors and thus increase the likely return. We have zero chance of being competitive during the years we'd be retaining on Rakell so might as well retain and max out the return

Moving Rakell by the deadline for a 1st and A prospect would be a shot in the arm for the rebuild

His current salary still makes him ultra attractive come FA season. What will 30 goal scorers go for?? 8M? More?

There's no rush, they should have plenty of suiters....RR picked the perfect season to have a career year.

[lemieuxReturns]

There is no way I am retaining. It is not about competing for the next three years either. It is about having those retention spots open for more assets down the road. EK will take one. That leaves us two more. If you sign someone this summer and we suck again (which we will) you can retain on that deal (hopefully it is a one year deal) and get another high pick. Hamstringing yourself by wasting a retention spot makes no sense on a contract like Rakell's that is already an amazing deal. Teams that are competing can certainly afford his contract at the deadline.... what would the cap hit be (1M at that point?)

[KG]

Guess Bunting isn't going anywhere by the deadline.

[TexasPenguins]

Apparently the ask from the Canucks for Boeser is a 1st round pick either 2025 or 2026 + a legit prospect.

-This is from Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects - link to HF https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/cam ... t.2988809/

Boeser is 28 and carries a 6.65 cap hit and is a UFA after this season.
Rakell is 31 and carries a 5M cap hit for this season and 3 more.

Boeser's next contract is expected to be in the 9M range (according to daily hive https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/predict ... nucks-ufas)
hockeynews has it over 8.5 (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... his-season)

If the ask is a 1st and top prospect for Boeser, I am looking at a 1st and a top prospect ++ for Rakell. Getting Rakell for the next three seasons with a cap hit of only 5M when the cap is increasing significantly is an amazing deal, especially for a team that is expecting to compete for the next three seasons.

I think the key to a Rakell deal is getting it done by the deadline. He is by far the best forward option, waiting until the summer will dilute his value, teams can sign UFAs without giving up assets.

That's why I'm for retaining on Rakell so a deal can be done by the deadline. Retention would drive up the number of potential suitors and thus increase the likely return. We have zero chance of being competitive during the years we'd be retaining on Rakell so might as well retain and max out the return

Moving Rakell by the deadline for a 1st and A prospect would be a shot in the arm for the rebuild

His current salary still makes him ultra attractive come FA season. What will 30 goal scorers go for?? 8M? More?

There's no rush, they should have plenty of suiters....RR picked the perfect season to have a career year.

I hope everyone is correct, but I think you’re all overestimating his value. Not every GM is like Jimmy Rutherford. Rakell had 15 goals last season, he doesn’t kill penalties. He hasn’t scored 30 goals since 2018. I bet most GM’s see him as 25 goal scorer, who doesn’t kill penalties, has to play in the top 6, because he’s average defensively. If all we get is a 1st rounder, I’d be happy. Or if we retain and get a 1st and a B prospect I’d also be happy.

[thehockeyguru]

Apparently the ask from the Canucks for Boeser is a 1st round pick either 2025 or 2026 + a legit prospect.

-This is from Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects - link to HF https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/cam ... t.2988809/

Boeser is 28 and carries a 6.65 cap hit and is a UFA after this season.
Rakell is 31 and carries a 5M cap hit for this season and 3 more.

Boeser's next contract is expected to be in the 9M range (according to daily hive https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/predict ... nucks-ufas)
hockeynews has it over 8.5 (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... his-season)

If the ask is a 1st and top prospect for Boeser, I am looking at a 1st and a top prospect ++ for Rakell. Getting Rakell for the next three seasons with a cap hit of only 5M when the cap is increasing significantly is an amazing deal, especially for a team that is expecting to compete for the next three seasons.

I think the key to a Rakell deal is getting it done by the deadline. He is by far the best forward option, waiting until the summer will dilute his value, teams can sign UFAs without giving up assets.

That's why I'm for retaining on Rakell so a deal can be done by the deadline. Retention would drive up the number of potential suitors and thus increase the likely return. We have zero chance of being competitive during the years we'd be retaining on Rakell so might as well retain and max out the return

Moving Rakell by the deadline for a 1st and A prospect would be a shot in the arm for the rebuild

His current salary still makes him ultra attractive come FA season. What will 30 goal scorers go for?? 8M? More?

There's no rush, they should have plenty of suiters....RR picked the perfect season to have a career year.

The cap is going way up, so paying 8M versus 5M really won't matter for teams.

Also what are saving the retention spots for? Karlsson is one and then what? Detroit just unloaded Husso without retention and believe it or not Jarry is better than Husso.

[KG]

Apparently the ask from the Canucks for Boeser is a 1st round pick either 2025 or 2026 + a legit prospect.

-This is from Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects - link to HF https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/cam ... t.2988809/

Boeser is 28 and carries a 6.65 cap hit and is a UFA after this season.
Rakell is 31 and carries a 5M cap hit for this season and 3 more.

Boeser's next contract is expected to be in the 9M range (according to daily hive https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/predict ... nucks-ufas)
hockeynews has it over 8.5 (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver ... his-season)

If the ask is a 1st and top prospect for Boeser, I am looking at a 1st and a top prospect ++ for Rakell. Getting Rakell for the next three seasons with a cap hit of only 5M when the cap is increasing significantly is an amazing deal, especially for a team that is expecting to compete for the next three seasons.

I think the key to a Rakell deal is getting it done by the deadline. He is by far the best forward option, waiting until the summer will dilute his value, teams can sign UFAs without giving up assets.

That's why I'm for retaining on Rakell so a deal can be done by the deadline. Retention would drive up the number of potential suitors and thus increase the likely return. We have zero chance of being competitive during the years we'd be retaining on Rakell so might as well retain and max out the return

Moving Rakell by the deadline for a 1st and A prospect would be a shot in the arm for the rebuild

His current salary still makes him ultra attractive come FA season. What will 30 goal scorers go for?? 8M? More?

There's no rush, they should have plenty of suiters....RR picked the perfect season to have a career year.

I hope everyone is correct, but I think you’re all overestimating his value. Not every GM is like Jimmy Rutherford. Rakell had 15 goals last season, he doesn’t kill penalties. He hasn’t scored 30 goals since 2018. I bet most GM’s see him as 25 goal scorer, who doesn’t kill penalties, has to play in the top 6, because he’s average defensively. If all we get is a 1st rounder, I’d be happy. Or if we retain and get a 1st and a B prospect I’d also be happy.

I agree Tex. Rakell is solid, but nothing amazing. He's also going to be 32. I would be shocked if we got a top prospect + a 1st round pick for him. I understand that the cap is going up but this isn't Jagr we are trading.

[Pruezy11881]

Bunting just had is appendix taken out. He's sidelined for awhile. Wonder if they should LTIR him for the season, save the cap space from that, and use it to take on a couple bad contracts and acquire young assets and/or picks at the same time.

[FLPensFan]

Trading a 4th rounder for Tomasino looks like a very solid move. It's an under the radar trade that definitely suggests we garnered good value there. Whatever moves forward Kyle makes he's gotta extract good value.

Since his 1st summer here he's done a good joob in doing so.

The deciding variable is hitting on our 1sts over the next three years. They need to make up our nucleus for the next generation. We can't miss on them. They might not (won't) be Sid or Geno level, but you can get some nice pieces if you draft and develop well. That's where our primary focal point needs to be.

We have some nice complimentary pieces in the system and I'm very high on Murashov, but our future core is largely yet to be drafted IMO.

This team is more than 3 years away. They need to collect as much draft capital as possible, have solid 1st round selections, but have enough 2nd-mid pick success to built up a pool of talent for 5-6 years from now.

It's a combination of the two. We need to accumulate draft capital and build up our system, so that in a few years when guys like Murashov, Pickering, Koivunen, McGroarty, Broz have moved on, we have another 6-8 legitimate prospects ready to step in at the AHL level. Rinse and repeat.

However, Dubas's plan is not a full on rebuild, which means I do expect a fair amount of draft capital, and even some acquired prospects, to be moved out in trades to acquire young NHL players, or prospects that are about to make the jump to the NHL. That's how you "attempt" quicken the rebuild/retool time. Otherwise, you've got a 2-4 year wait just for most of those draft picks to get into the Penguins system, and another 2 years before they are potentially ready to play in the NHL....coupled with the fact that 50% of the guys may never even play an NHL game.

I fully expect Dubas to attempt to trade away a good number of draft picks for younger players/prospects.

[Cow_Master66]

Trading a 4th rounder for Tomasino looks like a very solid move. It's an under the radar trade that definitely suggests we garnered good value there. Whatever moves forward Kyle makes he's gotta extract good value.

Since his 1st summer here he's done a good joob in doing so.

The deciding variable is hitting on our 1sts over the next three years. They need to make up our nucleus for the next generation. We can't miss on them. They might not (won't) be Sid or Geno level, but you can get some nice pieces if you draft and develop well. That's where our primary focal point needs to be.

We have some nice complimentary pieces in the system and I'm very high on Murashov, but our future core is largely yet to be drafted IMO.

This team is more than 3 years away. They need to collect as much draft capital as possible, have solid 1st round selections, but have enough 2nd-mid pick success to built up a pool of talent for 5-6 years from now.

It's a combination of the two. We need to accumulate draft capital and build up our system, so that in a few years when guys like Murashov, Pickering, Koivunen, McGroarty, Broz have moved on, we have another 6-8 legitimate prospects ready to step in at the AHL level. Rinse and repeat.

However, Dubas's plan is not a full on rebuild, which means I do expect a fair amount of draft capital, and even some acquired prospects, to be moved out in trades to acquire young NHL players, or prospects that are about to make the jump to the NHL. That's how you "attempt" quicken the rebuild/retool time. Otherwise, you've got a 2-4 year wait just for most of those draft picks to get into the Penguins system, and another 2 years before they are potentially ready to play in the NHL....coupled with the fact that 50% of the guys may never even play an NHL game.

I fully expect Dubas to attempt to trade away a good number of draft picks for younger players/prospects.

I agree....The truth is, this team can't rebuild (for real for real) while the elders are here. People will blame Dubas, but his hands are tied in a number of ways.

[ahawk9]

Maybe this can somehow work a few years down the line when/if some of the young players (and near-NHL-ready ones) become regulars, the high draft picks develop to some degree, and the Malkin-Crosby-EK contracts are gone, which allows for a few free agent signings or offer sheets to inject established talent into the mix. It's all such a slippery slope but I do like the dance of trade deadline/July 1 activities.

[thehockeyguru]

Trading a 4th rounder for Tomasino looks like a very solid move. It's an under the radar trade that definitely suggests we garnered good value there. Whatever moves forward Kyle makes he's gotta extract good value.

Since his 1st summer here he's done a good joob in doing so.

The deciding variable is hitting on our 1sts over the next three years. They need to make up our nucleus for the next generation. We can't miss on them. They might not (won't) be Sid or Geno level, but you can get some nice pieces if you draft and develop well. That's where our primary focal point needs to be.

We have some nice complimentary pieces in the system and I'm very high on Murashov, but our future core is largely yet to be drafted IMO.

This team is more than 3 years away. They need to collect as much draft capital as possible, have solid 1st round selections, but have enough 2nd-mid pick success to built up a pool of talent for 5-6 years from now.

It's a combination of the two. We need to accumulate draft capital and build up our system, so that in a few years when guys like Murashov, Pickering, Koivunen, McGroarty, Broz have moved on, we have another 6-8 legitimate prospects ready to step in at the AHL level. Rinse and repeat.

However, Dubas's plan is not a full on rebuild, which means I do expect a fair amount of draft capital, and even some acquired prospects, to be moved out in trades to acquire young NHL players, or prospects that are about to make the jump to the NHL. That's how you "attempt" quicken the rebuild/retool time. Otherwise, you've got a 2-4 year wait just for most of those draft picks to get into the Penguins system, and another 2 years before they are potentially ready to play in the NHL....coupled with the fact that 50% of the guys may never even play an NHL game.

I fully expect Dubas to attempt to trade away a good number of draft picks for younger players/prospects.

I agree....The truth is, this team can't rebuild (for real for real) while the elders are here. People will blame Dubas, but his hands are tied in a number of ways.

I disagree nobody is forcing Dubas to retool versus rebuild. It's his judgement call that this team can retool and be competitive with Sid Geno and Letang still on the roster. Personally I feel to think that is delusional