Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[Puck-Lurker]

I think Florida just greatly improved (this year). Hopefully, it puts pressure on other contenders to make trades.

I am more optimistic a couple of big trades for Pens this week.

I'm not sold. They have no backup goalie, and can only afford a 21 man roster. Their farm system is as barren as the Penguins was 3-4 years ago. They really have nothing else left to move out to clear cap space...anything they move out now creates another hole for them to fill.

Florida really needed to find a cheaper AAV d-man, or needed Chicago to retain closer to 4M. I'll wait to see what else Zito does, but I think this is going to hurt them in the long run.

Florida only plays tomorrow, but I wonder what would happen in a scenario like this where they have no cap room to dress a backup goalie. Would they be allowed to use an EBUG for a game?

I think the language in the rulebook is that you a team consists of 18 players and 2 goalies, a team cannot have more than that, with no thought to teams that might dress fewer than that number. They probably can.

Which would mean Bob has to play and can't be replaced unless injured. Then the EBUG rule comes into play. EBUG starts the game in the stands though.

[KG]

Definitely a sellers market. Hopefully KD gets aggressive and isn’t afraid to sell high on Rakell.

Rakell, EK, Gryz, Beau, Acciari, Lizotte, Hayes, Heinen, Desharnais, Ned, Glass all should be available. Basically everyone except Sid and Geno should be available.

Hoping for several trades and a couple of sizable ones to help speed up the retool.

Agree, definitely should be looking to move those names you mentioned.

Is today going to be Vladislav Kolyachonok Day?

The worst thing that happened was Shea having that 2 goal game. Now Sully thinks he's a top 4 d man. Hopefully we see Koly today!

[Puck-Lurker]

Definitely a sellers market. Hopefully KD gets aggressive and isn’t afraid to sell high on Rakell.

Rakell, EK, Gryz, Beau, Acciari, Lizotte, Hayes, Heinen, Desharnais, Ned, Glass all should be available. Basically everyone except Sid and Geno should be available.

Hoping for several trades and a couple of sizable ones to help speed up the retool.

Agree, definitely should be looking to move those names you mentioned.

Is today going to be Vladislav Kolyachonok Day?

The worst thing that happened was Shea having that 2 goal game. Now Sully thinks he's a top 4 d man. Hopefully we see Koly today!

On this team?

He might be...

[Dynasty1970]

You guys need to cool it on Mike Sullivan! He has got to be a top 2or 3 coach in this league! Do you realize just how many TEAMS would love to have him coach their team? We are lucky to have him.

[IntangibleBeer]

I am generally a daily lurker on this board, and I have come to appreciate the views, insight, and effort the posters here put in when discussing the various topics.

With all of the trade and draft talk going on, there were several issues that keep cropping up in my mind about the way forward for the Penguins. If any of these could be addressed, I would be grateful for any and all thoughts. Thanks

1. Have the Pens done anything to address the scouting department? The past record of successes in the draft is quite bleak, and if nothing has changed in that area, what reasonable expectations are there for any improvements to be realized?

2. Have the Pens done anything to address player development? In reading all that is posted here, and watching the on ice product, it is clear that players that come in from the outside rarely match let alone go beyond their career numbers. I see an improvement in WBS, but that certainly is not translating to the big club and the coach's love affair with the over 30 crowd.

3. Is there any possible way for improvement as long as the head coach is behind the bench? There is no realistic way the club is making the playoffs, yet we do not see many youngsters called up to see what they can offer. He continues to sink with the grizzled vets, and at the same time there is not a viable way to tell of the talent (or lack thereof) that may be available internally.

Thank you for putting these on the table. I also have had serious doubts about the quality and competence of Penguins scouting. And what is done about the intel gathered.

[KG]

Sounds like both Edmonton and LA are looking or a top 6 scorer. LA is feeling some pressure to make it out of the first round and are big rivals of Edmonton. One can only hope there is a bidding war for Rakell!

[KG]

Smith is such a dud. Glad we got a 2nd for him.

[FLPensFan]

If Grzelcyk and Beauvillier are going to be dealt, I'd rather see that happen ASAp, and for picks only.

We are at 49 contracts. Dealing those 2 puts us down to 47 and clears 4M in cap space. That allows us to be more engaged as a 3rd party to take on a salary dump or retain to help another team...for a price of course.

[KG]

If Grzelcyk and Beauvillier are going to be dealt, I'd rather see that happen ASAp, and for picks only.

We are at 49 contracts. Dealing those 2 puts us down to 47 and clears 4M in cap space. That allows us to be more engaged as a 3rd party to take on a salary dump or retain to help another team...for a price of course.

Definitely. We need to trim some fat on the roster to get more assets.

[Mad City Mike]

Just throwing this out there for those that think that Kyle Dubas accumulating picks is a great thing. Did you know that in 2020 (I know, COVID 'n at) Dubas amassed 12 picks in the 7 round draft? Do you know the combined number of NHL games played by those 12 players? That would zero. Zip. Nada. Not one game from those 12 guys. That's pretty darn hard to accomplish, but Boy Wonder did it. He is also the only GM whose first round pick never played a game.

That has ME excited. How about you?

[Daniel]

You guys need to cool it on Mike Sullivan! He has got to be a top 2or 3 coach in this league! Do you realize just how many TEAMS would love to have him coach their team? We are lucky to have him.

Excellent, will increase the trade value or lessen the need to pay his full contract.

[Daniel]

Just throwing this out there for those that think that Kyle Dubas accumulating picks is a great thing. Did you know that in 2020 (I know, COVID 'n at) Dubas amassed 12 picks in the 7 round draft? Do you know the combined number of NHL games played by those 12 players? That would zero. Zip. Nada. Not one game from those 12 guys. That's pretty darn hard to accomplish, but Boy Wonder did it. He is also the only GM who first round pick never played a game.

That has ME excited. How about you?

Serious question (I think KD is overrated, but we'll see), wasn't Dubas hamstrung by Shanahan in Toronto? If so, wouldn't that mean he might have interfered with draft picks and/or draft picks making the roster?

[KG]

Just throwing this out there for those that think that Kyle Dubas accumulating picks is a great thing. Did you know that in 2020 (I know, COVID 'n at) Dubas amassed 12 picks in the 7 round draft? Do you know the combined number of NHL games played by those 12 players? That would zero. Zip. Nada. Not one game from those 12 guys. That's pretty darn hard to accomplish, but Boy Wonder did it. He is also the only GM who first round pick never played a game.

That has ME excited. How about you?

Serious question (I think KD is overrated, but we'll see), wasn't Dubas hamstrung by Shanahan in Toronto? If so, wouldn't that mean he might have interfered with draft picks and/or draft picks making the roster?

Time will tell. I like the 2 drafts we have had under KD so far. He brought in Wes Clarke who is known for finding the occasional gem too.

[Mad City Mike]

Just throwing this out there for those that think that Kyle Dubas accumulating picks is a great thing. Did you know that in 2020 (I know, COVID 'n at) Dubas amassed 12 picks in the 7 round draft? Do you know the combined number of NHL games played by those 12 players? That would zero. Zip. Nada. Not one game from those 12 guys. That's pretty darn hard to accomplish, but Boy Wonder did it. He is also the only GM who first round pick never played a game.

That has ME excited. How about you?

Serious question (I think KD is overrated, but we'll see), wasn't Dubas hamstrung by Shanahan in Toronto? If so, wouldn't that mean he might have interfered with draft picks and/or draft picks making the roster?

That's hard to know from afar.

[Mad City Mike]

Time will tell. I like the 2 drafts we have had under KD so far. He brought in Wes Clarke who is known for finding the occasional gem too.

Yup, we'll see. But I am souring on Dubas by the day. That Karlsson deal he was lauded for now looks horrible as all three bad contracts he sent out are up and the Pens are stuck with 2 more years of EK65's horrid deal.

[thehockeyguru]

Time will tell. I like the 2 drafts we have had under KD so far. He brought in Wes Clarke who is known for finding the occasional gem too.

Yup, we'll see. But I am souring on Dubas by the day. That Karlsson deal he was lauded for now looks horrible as all three bad contracts he sent out are up and the Pens are stuck with 2 more years of EK65's horrid deal.

I think Dubas can identify talent but I don't think he can build a team.

[Mad City Mike]

Time will tell. I like the 2 drafts we have had under KD so far. He brought in Wes Clarke who is known for finding the occasional gem too.

Yup, we'll see. But I am souring on Dubas by the day. That Karlsson deal he was lauded for now looks horrible as all three bad contracts he sent out are up and the Pens are stuck with 2 more years of EK65's horrid deal.

I think Dubas can identify talent but I don't think he can build a team.

He does seem to be absolutely clueless about goaltending. And his core in Toronto was already there when he took over..

[KG]

[EndO FanEra]

Time will tell. I like the 2 drafts we have had under KD so far. He brought in Wes Clarke who is known for finding the occasional gem too.

Yup, we'll see. But I am souring on Dubas by the day. That Karlsson deal he was lauded for now looks horrible as all three bad contracts he sent out are up and the Pens are stuck with 2 more years of EK65's horrid deal.

I would have preferred not trying the Karlsson experiment altogether, but I understand why he did. I think we were able to clean up some Hextall contracts that were clearly a problem and he took a shot at adding an aging superstar to try and catch a little lightning in a bottle. The lightning/bottle part never panned out (thanks in large part to Sully trying to change/improve? the way he plays, IMO), but I still don't mind the trade asset wise.

If we can garner a 1st out of a Karlsson trade this deadline or in the offseason, even if we have to eat $3-5M, I think the Karlsson experiment will have been worthwhile.

I supported the KD hiring and I am willing to give him more of a leash than I was Hextall, but my patience is wearing a little thin. There's lots of work that needs to be done, and I am unsatisfied with the way the season has progressed. There has been way too much "more of the same", and not enough changes and experimenting earlier in the season. It's too late now, so I'm not looking for these things, but I would have liked to see veterans out and young kids called up earlier in the season (and/or the obvious coaching change thing, lol).

I'm going to hold off any Dubas opinions until the start of next season. Asset wise, we are in an advantageous position in several respects (for once). I think the decisions made this deadline and offseason will shape the trajectory of this team for the next few years. I want to see if he's willing to take a few big swings or if he's going to play it safe. I know it takes 2 to tango, but it seems like there's a lot of opportunities out there. I am okay if this team struggles for another few years as long as we're heading in a different/positive direction.

I think we'll have a good idea of how things are going to go whenever we see the starting roster for game 1 next season. By about 3-4 weeks in, I'm hoping we can get a feel for whether it's going to be 2-3 years or 3-5 years before we're competitive again. At that point, we may have our answer to whether or not Dubas is right person for the job.

[SteelCityFan]

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[Michael74]

You guys need to cool it on Mike Sullivan! He has got to be a top 2or 3 coach in this league! Do you realize just how many TEAMS would love to have him coach their team? We are lucky to have him.

Hopefully next year he's coaching one of those many teams.

[thehockeyguru]

Do we need a wake up Dubas thread?

[Michael74]

So, we have four players who could be traded. Two very likely, two if everything lined up but are from certain.

MG is almost certainly going to be traded. I think at the high end you could do MG AND A 5TH for a 2HD ('26)
AB scored 13 goals, that should fetch maybe a 3rd?

Rakell at least a '26th 1st, a very good (A level) prospect and likely a solid NHLer for cap purposes and to gives us something for now. Maybe LA?
EK '26 1st, a B level prospect and an NHL depth player and we likely retain 2.5 to 3 mil.

This is my educated guess.

[Puck-Lurker]

So, we have four players who could be traded. Two very likely, two if everything lined up but are from certain.

MG is almost certainly going to be traded. I think at the high end you could do MG AND A 5TH for a 2HD ('26)
AB scored 13 goals, that should fetch maybe a 3rd?

Rakell at least a '26th 1st, a very good (A level) prospect and likely a solid NHLer for cap purposes and to gives us something for now. Maybe LA?
EK '26 1st, a B level prospect and an NHL depth player and we likely retain 2.5 to 3 mil.

This is my educated guess.

I'd take all of those deals in a cold second. Question is, will Dubas and will other GMs..

[Michael74]

So, we have four players who could be traded. Two very likely, two if everything lined up but are from certain.

MG is almost certainly going to be traded. I think at the high end you could do MG AND A 5TH for a 2HD ('26)
AB scored 13 goals, that should fetch maybe a 3rd?

Rakell at least a '26th 1st, a very good (A level) prospect and likely a solid NHLer for cap purposes and to gives us something for now. Maybe LA?
EK '26 1st, a B level prospect and an NHL depth player and we likely retain 2.5 to 3 mil.

This is my educated guess.

I'd take all of those deals in a cold second. Question is, will Dubas and will other GMs..

Fortunately we're gonna get the answers relatively soon.

You gotta move Grzelcyk and Beau though. At a bare minimum!