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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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This is no different than when Mario went to Kansas City on an arena tour during negotiations and the cameras were all following him around. It was posturing to put someone in a position to give him what he/the city needed most.

Think about big free agent signings that happen ever year. You don't see agents parading around doing constant media interviews. This is a PR move.

Jagr made 7 Million last year. Tax free. I'll gladly eat crow on this, but I don't see this guy returning to Pittsburgh for 2 Million, or to Detroit for 3, or anywhere in the NHL for that matter.

He's posturing, getting North American media involved in stories about his return, that way Omsk ups that price tag to a cool 9 Million for one year, he gets his final paycheck and rides off into the sunset with it.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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newarenanow wrote:
Kerry Fraser wrote:
The Pens would be moronic to not sign Jagr at 2 million with this year's free agency crapfest.
Depends what impact it has on their other free agents and long term vision.

Signing Jagr for $2MM has other implications.
If signing Jagr at 2 million means that Dupuis won't come back because his feelings are hurt, I can handle it.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Other than a high price tag, the only reason Jagr wouldn't fit into Shero's plans is if RS has identified another free agent RW who can put the puck in the net. But I just don't see any UFA's out there who'd make a better option than #68.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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newarenanow wrote:
Kerry Fraser wrote:
The Pens would be moronic to not sign Jagr at 2 million with this year's free agency crapfest.
Depends what impact it has on their other free agents and long term vision.

Signing Jagr for $2MM has other implications.
What other implications? We know who our free agents are this year...they are pretty much grinders. If we sign Jagr for only 1 year for 2 mil I do not see how that majorly impacts us beyond this year pretty much. Unless you think the Pens REALLY want to sign TK to a longer term deal - that is the only major implication I see
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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pcm wrote:
Jagr would address the Pen's biggest weakness: the power play.

Strip away all the storylines and nostalgia. As a hockey move, bringing JJ on board to improve the PP makes sense. Even for $3 million. Blysma can manage his minutes to @ 15. Guys like Tangradi and Jeffrey can get cups of coffee on the top lines rotating with Jagr. He'd also make a great power forward mentor for Neal.
I agree. With keeping Jagr's minutes down, and giving him an occasional night off on back-t-backs, I think Jagr could still be a very effective NHL forward, much better than Kovalev at this point.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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columbia wrote:

My honest opinion:
I'm not sure Penguins fans deserve him (even a the league minimum) after all of that booing.
Please don't try to make Jagr out to somehow be the victim. He brought all of that nonsense on himself. There is a laundry list of issues he had here in Pittsburgh and to somehow suggest that we don't deserve him is laughable.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Jagr is definitely worth at least $2M. Shero gave Guerin $2M to come back the extra year and Jagr has more upside than Billy G.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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I suppose he could want @ $4 million. Top dollar = $5m+
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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newarenanow wrote:
Kerry Fraser wrote:
The Pens would be moronic to not sign Jagr at 2 million with this year's free agency crapfest.
Depends what impact it has on their other free agents and long term vision.

Signing Jagr for $2MM has other implications.
I struggle to believe that at that price. Heck, Rupp is being talked about at around $1M (puke). Tangradi, jeffery, johnson, tk spot in the top six us the only thing jagr could take away and he's.a clear, clear upgrade over all oh them, so do it.
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Jesse wrote:
This is no different than when Mario went to Kansas City on an arena tour during negotiations and the cameras were all following him around. It was posturing to put someone in a position to give him what he/the city needed most.

Think about big free agent signings that happen ever year. You don't see agents parading around doing constant media interviews. This is a PR move.

Jagr made 7 Million last year. Tax free. I'll gladly eat crow on this, but I don't see this guy returning to Pittsburgh for 2 Million, or to Detroit for 3, or anywhere in the NHL for that matter.

He's posturing, getting North American media involved in stories about his return, that way Omsk ups that price tag to a cool 9 Million for one year, he gets his final paycheck and rides off into the sunset with it.
I bet Jagr signs in Kansas City.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Jesse wrote:
This is no different than when Mario went to Kansas City on an arena tour during negotiations and the cameras were all following him around. It was posturing to put someone in a position to give him what he/the city needed most.

Think about big free agent signings that happen ever year. You don't see agents parading around doing constant media interviews. This is a PR move.

Jagr made 7 Million last year. Tax free. I'll gladly eat crow on this, but I don't see this guy returning to Pittsburgh for 2 Million, or to Detroit for 3, or anywhere in the NHL for that matter.

He's posturing, getting North American media involved in stories about his return, that way Omsk ups that price tag to a cool 9 Million for one year, he gets his final paycheck and rides off into the sunset with it.
I agree that the loose-lipped agent is very fishy. But I don't think Omsk is an option for him. I read somewhere that they either can't afford him anymore or he burned some bridges there or something like that.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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pens2005 wrote:
columbia wrote:

My honest opinion:
I'm not sure Penguins fans deserve him (even a the league minimum) after all of that booing.
Please don't try to make Jagr out to somehow be the victim. He brought all of that nonsense on himself. There is a laundry list of issues he had here in Pittsburgh and to somehow suggest that we don't deserve him is laughable.
Then why should Penguins fans want him back?
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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If he wants to come back to the NHL, Detroit is a better option for him anyway. They're likely to pay him more, I think they will feel a little more urgent to make a move like that with them losing Rafalski and seeing their core aging, they have more Europeans, they are more willing to cater to older players. Jagr comes here and isn't working, you're going to see some fourth line demotions or even scratches, and then there will be problems.

I agree with Jesse that more than anything this could just be posturing to get himself a bigger pay in Russia. Jagr's not going to come here for peanuts.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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pens2005 wrote:
columbia wrote:

My honest opinion:
I'm not sure Penguins fans deserve him (even a the league minimum) after all of that booing.
Please don't try to make Jagr out to somehow be the victim. He brought all of that nonsense on himself. There is a laundry list of issues he had here in Pittsburgh and to somehow suggest that we don't deserve him is laughable.
I don't get the big deal with the boo'ing. He was on the visiting team. If Rick Nash or a Sedin, or any other superstar type player scores or does well against the pens, we would boo. I understand, we wouldn't boo someone like Francis maybe, but every time Jagr is brought up everyone including the media is all like "OMG they Boo'ed JAGR." It just is not that big of a deal. It's sports. People boo the foul ball boy if he misses an easy grounder, boo Iceburgh if he falls on the ice...whatever. Haha!
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Ha
KTanger58 Kris Letang
All this Jagr talk is making me feel happy. We get this guy he will put up points with our two big boys. Meaning me and Pauly of course
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Thank you, columbia. If he doesn't return, I am definitely blaming it on the booing fans. It takes a lot to overcome booing Jagr for me to like an individual. Chances are good that if you booed Jagr, I dont like you.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Wings have offered more money than Penguins at this point. That can change in one phone call from Mario. But that's where it stands now.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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JeffDFD wrote:
Ha
KTanger58 Kris Letang
All this Jagr talk is making me feel happy. We get this guy he will put up points with our two big boys. Meaning me and Pauly of course
Letang is already making this about him, team cancer!
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If Jagr signs with the Pens. I will request permission from admin to change my name to "I am a moron"
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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I remember reading that Omsk was definitely out of the picture, so St. Petersburg was the only real option for him in the KHL, and then they pulled out also. I think Svoboda is definitely posturing to get his price tag up, but it's posturing for a bigger pay among NHL teams only.
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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Kraftster wrote:
Thank you, columbia. If he doesn't return, I am definitely blaming it on the booing fans. It takes a lot to overcome booing Jagr for me to like an individual. Chances are good that if you booed Jagr, I dont like you.

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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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JeffDFD wrote:
Ha
KTanger58 Kris Letang
All this Jagr talk is making me feel happy. We get this guy he will put up points with our two big boys. Meaning me and Pauly of course
You know that's not actually Letang, right?
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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

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lol Letang!
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"if you build it, he will come"

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Re: Penguins want Jagr back?!

Post by Three Stars »

He'll make more money in a contract in Detroit...but the peanut butter sales in Pittsburgh could put them over the top.