Jagr Watch 2017

[newarenanow]

@HockeyBreak The Red Wings have expressed the most interest for free agent, Jagr, but his number 1 choice is Pittsburgh. He would need to take a pay cut.

Can't see him taking the pay cut, so Detroit or Russia is his likely destination.

[Kerry Fraser]

2) Jagr sucks.

The 2nd best RW in the history of the game sucks, K.

Correct. He's washed up and probably still acts like a baby. Do not want (for more than $1 million).

But it doesn't matter because he'll go wherever pays him the most (not Pittsburgh). Gambling problems aren't cheap.

P.S. Jagr sucks.

We should probably offer a good ol' North American boy like Erik Cole 5 mil to come to Pittsburgh.

[PenguinSteve-o]

The Pens should sign Jagr for 2-3 million. I think he is worth that. 1-2 is an insult coming from 7 million paycheck and he isnt going to give a Pittsburgh discount "just to play for marios team" I am sure thats a part of it but he isnt going to do it for dirt cheap.

Talbot/Pascal see ya.

[Kerry Fraser]

2) Jagr sucks.

The 2nd best RW in the history of the game sucks, K.

Correct. He's washed up and probably still acts like a baby. Do not want (for more than $1 million).

But it doesn't matter because he'll go wherever pays him the most (not Pittsburgh). Gambling problems aren't cheap.

P.S. Jagr sucks.

Double post.

[tonysoprano]

@HockeyBreak The Red Wings have expressed the most interest for free agent, Jagr, but his number 1 choice is Pittsburgh. He would need to take a pay cut.

Can't see him taking the pay cut, so Detroit or Russia is his likely destination.

I'm not sure Russia's still in the mix. I lean toward agreeing, that he's not going to take the paycut, but considering he isn't getting much from either location, it's not going to be much of a paycut.

[newarenanow]

The Pens should sign Jagr for 2-3 million. I think he is worth that. 1-2 is an insult coming from 7 million paycheck and he isnt going to give a Pittsburgh discount "just to play for marios team" I am sure thats a part of it but he isnt going to do it for dirt cheap.

Talbot/Pascal see ya.

I don't think the Pens care if they insult Jagr. They have to do what is best for them, not what is best for Jagr.

If Jagr feels like he is worth more, and he very well may be, then he will sign elsewhere.

[Tico Rick]

Boom. I come home and see like 12 new pages in this thread. Thought he was signed (altough I know he can´t sign yet)

PAGE 68 - WE CAN DO IT!

We need to get to 68 pages before midnight, or this will turn into the "Jagr to DET" thread!

[André]

About his play in the WC´s:

I was not blown away but definitely impressed. I saw what to me was the fourth version of Jagr.

First version, say 90-94, was when he was scrawny but fast as few. He was quickly becoming a star but hadn´t reached his full capacity. Second version was 95-01, his prime years which combined the strengths from "Jagr one" but after bulking up. He was unstoppable. Breakaways were automatic goals. Below average lines mates were enough, he did it all on his own. "Jagr two" is in my opinon among the most dominant players hockey has ever seen. Third version was 01-06. He lost speed, got even bigger and added the slapper. His most inspired year during this period was still good for ~120 points and 50 goals. The Art Ross lost in the final round. More dependant on PP and linemates than before, however. And don´t forget his 15 points in 10 playoff games as late as spring 08.

Fourth version is what I´ve seen in these last two WCs only. Top speed still ok but he´s not very quick at all. The shot is great but not deadly and he can´t do it all on his own, but was most dangerous down low during plays of long pressure in the offensive zone, on the PP or when he got the puck with space to accelerate through the neutral zone. Still a deadly playmaker however, and strong on the puck with his size and reach. Great on the PP both as setup man and as finisher. Creative in moving around to find good positions. He was better this year than last year. Also, I think he´d be better off on the smaller surface.

I´d absolutely love it if he signed for one year and played like 15 min per game with say 90 secs per PP. He´d open up space for Sid and Geno and he´d convert on the space they´d give him. He´s still deadly if his company can open things up, which would happen frequently on the Pens.

[Malkamaniac]

Honestly, if Detroit offers him more money, I think he should take it there. They as usual, have one of the best shots at a Cup. Plus they have cap room to make their defense even better.

[shmenguin]

jagr is an intelligent adult who understands what a salary cap is. he's not going to be insulted by a low offer. he'll reject it, but he's not gonna get all incredulous about it.

[sil]

Honestly, if Detroit offers him more money, I think he should take it there. They as usual, have one of the best shots at a Cup. Plus they have cap room to make their defense even better.

yep.

[penny lane]

I'd take a little off the PK % to increase the power play % a lot!

summer dreamin

[sil]

jagr is an intelligent adult who understands what a salary cap is. he's not going to be insulted by a low offer. he'll reject it, but he's not gonna get all incredulous about it.

I really don't get this "insulting" idea at all. Shero may not want to risk much on Jagr. What's wrong with that?

[Three Stars]

1) We have cap space, especially if we let go of some excess grinders
2) We need 1-2 wingers, if we get Jagr for 3 mil, that does not hurt our cap
3) We need another offensive player who does more than "chip in" but actually has skill, today we have 2 skilled forwards (Sid and Malkin) and 12 chippers
4) See 3
5) See 3
6) See 3

1) How many Pens fans would agree with you? Is it more or less than usual?
2) How many LGPers know that you're really doublewinder?
3) If you're permabanned, will board attendance go down?
4) is the number of warnings you now have, as of 5 minutes ago.

[columbia]

1) We have cap space, especially if we let go of some excess grinders
2) We need 1-2 wingers, if we get Jagr for 3 mil, that does not hurt our cap
3) We need another offensive player who does more than "chip in" but actually has skill, today we have 2 skilled forwards (Sid and Malkin) and 12 chippers
4) See 3
5) See 3
6) See 3

1) How many Pens fans would agree with you? Is it more or less than usual?
2) How many LGPers know that you're really doublewinder?
3) If you're permabanned, will board attendance go down?
4) is the number of warnings you now have, as of 5 minutes ago.

[Malkamaniac]

1) We have cap space, especially if we let go of some excess grinders
2) We need 1-2 wingers, if we get Jagr for 3 mil, that does not hurt our cap
3) We need another offensive player who does more than "chip in" but actually has skill, today we have 2 skilled forwards (Sid and Malkin) and 12 chippers
4) See 3
5) See 3
6) See 3

1) How many Pens fans would agree with you? Is it more or less than usual?
2) How many LGPers know that you're really doublewinder?
3) If you're permabanned, will board attendance go down?
4) is the number of warnings you now have, as of 5 minutes ago.

Supreme trolling.

[Corvidae]

jagr is an intelligent adult who understands what a salary cap is. he's not going to be insulted by a low offer. he'll reject it, but he's not gonna get all incredulous about it.

I really don't get this "insulting" idea at all. Shero may not want to risk much on Jagr. What's wrong with that?

I really don't get this "Jagr's an intelligent adult" idea.

[beerman]

1) We have cap space, especially if we let go of some excess grinders
2) We need 1-2 wingers, if we get Jagr for 3 mil, that does not hurt our cap
3) We need another offensive player who does more than "chip in" but actually has skill, today we have 2 skilled forwards (Sid and Malkin) and 12 chippers
4) See 3
5) See 3
6) See 3

1) How many Pens fans would agree with you? Is it more or less than usual?
2) How many LGPers know that you're really doublewinder?
3) If you're permabanned, will board attendance go down?
4) is the number of warnings you now have, as of 5 minutes ago.

[sil]

Hmm...will throwing Jagr on the ice suddenly make our PP go? I'm not so sure. Still no net presence and no one to man the points...or at least players that WANT to man the points.

[Malkamaniac]

Hmm...will throwing Jagr on the ice suddenly make our PP go? I'm not so sure. Still no net presence and no one to man the points...or at least players that WANT to man the points.

Having Jagr would only make the problem even worse. Three guys who excel best at the right circle.

[Richard Zemlak]

You can't talk about this and not mention the Mario factor. If Mario wants him, it will happen. There's no way Shero was going to bring a washed up Kovalev here last season...he didn't fit the Pens mold at all. I think that was all Mario. Same with Jags...it will happen if Mario wants it to.

[columbia]

You can't talk about this and not mention the Mario factor. If Mario wants him, it will happen. There's no way Shero was going to bring a washed up Kovalev here last season...he didn't fit the Pens mold at all. I think that was all Mario. Same with Jags...it will happen if Mario wants it to.

I recall it being quite evident that RS wasn't too keen on that deal (based on his quotes).

At some point, you have to allow a GM to do his job with autonomy.

[newarenanow]

You can't talk about this and not mention the Mario factor. If Mario wants him, it will happen. There's no way Shero was going to bring a washed up Kovalev here last season...he didn't fit the Pens mold at all. I think that was all Mario. Same with Jags...it will happen if Mario wants it to.

Yeah, but the Kovy move was a sort of desperation move. Your two big guns were out for the season, and you also only had to give up a 7th rounder. It did not affect the cap situation at all, and pretty much they had little risk taking a chance on Kovy.

At worst, he wouldn't perform and they'd be eliminated from the playoffs after the first round, in a playoff where w/o Sid and Geno, the Pens probably weren't going far in anyways.

Mario may want Jagr, but he also will not jeopardize any long term plans, or overpay for him.

[Malkamaniac]

You can't talk about this and not mention the Mario factor. If Mario wants him, it will happen. There's no way Shero was going to bring a washed up Kovalev here last season...he didn't fit the Pens mold at all. I think that was all Mario. Same with Jags...it will happen if Mario wants it to.

I recall it being quite evident that RS wasn't too keen on that deal (based on his quotes).

At some point, you have to allow a GM to do his job with autonomy.

I think for the most part Mario does. He just has a soft spot for his old Country Club friends.

[Corvidae]

You can't talk about this and not mention the Mario factor. If Mario wants him, it will happen. There's no way Shero was going to bring a washed up Kovalev here last season...he didn't fit the Pens mold at all. I think that was all Mario. Same with Jags...it will happen if Mario wants it to.

I recall it being quite evident that RS wasn't too keen on that deal (based on his quotes).

At some point, you have to allow a GM to do his job with autonomy.

I think for the most part Mario does. He just has a soft spot for his old Country Club friends.

Starting to sound like my Dad in here now. He thinks the Pens drafted Despres because he's french-Canadian and Mario made him.