Trade Assets???? None

[Bo_Pens]

Keep talking about trading players, building for the future.

We have no trading assets really. When you give it serious thought. Would you want any of this lot?

No

[FLPensFan]

Keep talking about trading players, building for the future.

We have no trading assets really. When you give it serious thought. Would you want any of this lot?

No

Yes, we have trade assets.

UFA rental defensemen are in short supply. Pettersson was already traded and signed an extension. Provorov in CBJ they are talking about keeping and extending, plus they are still in playoff hunt. Codi Ceci already moved.

Grzelcyk is going to have value around the league. He should net a 2nd or a 3rd. His contract is cheap comparably to others, 591K cap hit on deadline day.
Desharnais could even garner some interest near the deadline, even with another year. 430K cap hit on deadline day.

Beauvillier is a cheap UFA rental. Solid scoring depth for a team that needs 3rd line help. 268K cap hit on deadline day. 2nd to 4th for Beauvillier.
Acciari MIGHT garner some interest. He's known to be good on faceoffs and a playoff warrior type. Not a guarantee that teems call on him.

Rakell is a prize for any team that needs major scoring help (cough, LA). He's EASILY the best forward that might be available. The other top UFAs on non-playoff teams are guys like Jason Zucker (who BUF wants to extend) and Kuzmenko, who isn't very consistent. Rakell should bring a 1st and a good prospect/young NHLer or a 2nd and a great prospect/really good young NHLer because he is not a rental.

There still may be a market for Ned out there as a backup.

Not sure where you get the idea that we have no valuable assets to trade just because the team is doing poorly.

[Bo_Pens]

If you were a GM you would take them? If you did you would be out slid a job. He is on a top line, less than a points game. Invisible for huge chunks of games.

Rakell, Beauviller,

All average at best

Salary dump and 3rd round pick to make it look like a trade.

Rakell being carried by two old men well past their sell by date. I hope you’re correct!!!!’ For me, maybe a pint and a packet of chips at best. This lot are horrendous!!

[Antonio]

Rakell should have significant value.

Rust would have value if they got over their decade old glasses and moved on from nostalgia

A few minor parts like Beau, Gryz, etc could yield some minor assets, 3rds etc.

Not a ton of value but to say nothing has value is silly.

[Bo_Pens]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

[FLPensFan]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

Right. Because GMs look at the last 3 games before they make a trade and base the entire trade off of those 3 games.

[Michael74]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

[Michael74]

Rakell should have significant value.

Rust would have value if they got over their decade old glasses and moved on from nostalgia

A few minor parts like Beau, Gryz, etc could yield some minor assets, 3rds etc.

Not a ton of value but to say nothing has value is silly.

Relative to the players we are likely to move we should garner at a minimum a 3rd and a 5th for say MG and AB. Possibly a tad more.

If RR is moved a '26 1st plus a solid prospect and a depth NHLer (to help offset the cap hit) is likely where it would top out at.

[Pens4Life]

Keep talking about trading players, building for the future.

We have no trading assets really. When you give it serious thought. Would you want any of this lot?

No

Come on dude! Making extra thread for this nonsense...

Of course we have assets! No doubt at all.. admins just delete this thread lol, this is just

[Puck-Lurker]

Keep talking about trading players, building for the future.

We have no trading assets really. When you give it serious thought. Would you want any of this lot?

No

Hyperbole will kill us all!

[Tico Rick]

Keep talking about trading players, building for the future.

We have no trading assets really. When you give it serious thought. Would you want any of this lot?

No

Come on dude! Making extra thread for this nonsense...

Of course we have assets! No doubt at all.. admins just delete this thread lol, this is just

This.

[pfim]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

A bit?

[Michael74]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

A bit?

[Bo_Pens]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

Well you can say we have them? But if you are a GM, and you are looking for a deep playoff run. Your job as a GM is also to retain your job. Do you honestly watch the pens and think this guy on this amount of money is going to make that happen. I look at every player in our roster and it’s awful to watch professional athletes not play hard. How many times have you heard are players and coaches be interviewed and state we did not play with enough desperation/intensity or come out flat. If this is in the DNA of an athlete in any capacity. They are fine!! Most of our team is like this regretfully. Players work so hard to become a pro, it’s extremely difficult to consistently punch that high and work that hard every day. You get older, you get stale and in the modern game you get very wealthy. Our troops are done. Maybe a few players are worth a punt, if surrounded by overall better attitude and a different coaching system that is essentially dump and chase, maybe you’re right and we have assets. However, that’s a risk if they don a New Jersey and play like a penguin they will be a flop.


Maybe I am being overly negative after another absolutely awful season. Watching management and coaching staff change nothing. Definition of insanity “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

I think Sullivan is a great coach for a team ready to win. I think we need a teaching coach, which he most sincerely used to be, I just think has aged out of that roll and demands and expects. Our team does not play hard for him, themselves or the fans, some who financially stretch themselves to afford supporting our team.

Too many players going through the motions. If I were a GM, the only ones I touch are the untouchables. On the premise they are in for the playoff run and then out the door.

So I agree with you - ok we have something to give up but I sincerely think we are not getting much in return. Just freeing up space for a few possible positive moves over the summer

[Cow_Master66]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

Well you can say we have them? But if you are a GM, and you are looking for a deep playoff run. Your job as a GM is also to retain your job. Do you honestly watch the pens and think this guy on this amount of money is going to make that happen. I look at every player in our roster and it’s awful to watch professional athletes not play hard. How many times have you heard are players and coaches be interviewed and state we did not play with enough desperation/intensity or come out flat. If this is in the DNA of an athlete in any capacity. They are fine!! Most of our team is like this regretfully. Players work so hard to become a pro, it’s extremely difficult to consistently punch that high and work that hard every day. You get older, you get stale and in the modern game you get very wealthy. Our troops are done. Maybe a few players are worth a punt, if surrounded by overall better attitude and a different coaching system that is essentially dump and chase, maybe you’re right and we have assets. However, that’s a risk if they don a New Jersey and play like a penguin they will be a flop.


Maybe I am being overly negative after another absolutely awful season. Watching management and coaching staff change nothing. Definition of insanity “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

I think Sullivan is a great coach for a team ready to win. I think we need a teaching coach, which he most sincerely used to be, I just think has aged out of that roll and demands and expects. Our team does not play hard for him, themselves or the fans, some who financially stretch themselves to afford supporting our team.

Too many players going through the motions. If I were a GM, the only ones I touch are the untouchables. On the premise they are in for the playoff run and then out the door.

So I agree with you - ok we have something to give up but I sincerely think we are not getting much in return. Just freeing up space for a few possible positive moves over the summer

They are playing hard, they just aren't a good team. Suggesting they aren't trying is just something fans make up in their own brains because they lack the ability to realize that nearly every night, the opponent has more talent.

[Daniel]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

Well you can say we have them? But if you are a GM, and you are looking for a deep playoff run. Your job as a GM is also to retain your job. Do you honestly watch the pens and think this guy on this amount of money is going to make that happen. I look at every player in our roster and it’s awful to watch professional athletes not play hard. How many times have you heard are players and coaches be interviewed and state we did not play with enough desperation/intensity or come out flat. If this is in the DNA of an athlete in any capacity. They are fine!! Most of our team is like this regretfully. Players work so hard to become a pro, it’s extremely difficult to consistently punch that high and work that hard every day. You get older, you get stale and in the modern game you get very wealthy. Our troops are done. Maybe a few players are worth a punt, if surrounded by overall better attitude and a different coaching system that is essentially dump and chase, maybe you’re right and we have assets. However, that’s a risk if they don a New Jersey and play like a penguin they will be a flop.


Maybe I am being overly negative after another absolutely awful season. Watching management and coaching staff change nothing. Definition of insanity “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

I think Sullivan is a great coach for a team ready to win. I think we need a teaching coach, which he most sincerely used to be, I just think has aged out of that roll and demands and expects. Our team does not play hard for him, themselves or the fans, some who financially stretch themselves to afford supporting our team.

Too many players going through the motions. If I were a GM, the only ones I touch are the untouchables. On the premise they are in for the playoff run and then out the door.

So I agree with you - ok we have something to give up but I sincerely think we are not getting much in return. Just freeing up space for a few possible positive moves over the summer

They are playing hard, they just aren't a good team. Suggesting they aren't trying is just something fans make up in their own brains because they lack the ability to realize that nearly every night, the opponent has more talent.

They're playing like a team that is badly coached and disorganized and too slow and/or not skilled enough to play the system. It's just little things. Passes that used to get through are hitting the opponents skates. Moves that use to work no longer working. Being a step behind and just not in sync.

[pfim]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

Well you can say we have them? But if you are a GM, and you are looking for a deep playoff run. Your job as a GM is also to retain your job. Do you honestly watch the pens and think this guy on this amount of money is going to make that happen. I look at every player in our roster and it’s awful to watch professional athletes not play hard. How many times have you heard are players and coaches be interviewed and state we did not play with enough desperation/intensity or come out flat. If this is in the DNA of an athlete in any capacity. They are fine!! Most of our team is like this regretfully. Players work so hard to become a pro, it’s extremely difficult to consistently punch that high and work that hard every day. You get older, you get stale and in the modern game you get very wealthy. Our troops are done. Maybe a few players are worth a punt, if surrounded by overall better attitude and a different coaching system that is essentially dump and chase, maybe you’re right and we have assets. However, that’s a risk if they don a New Jersey and play like a penguin they will be a flop.


Maybe I am being overly negative after another absolutely awful season. Watching management and coaching staff change nothing. Definition of insanity “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

I think Sullivan is a great coach for a team ready to win. I think we need a teaching coach, which he most sincerely used to be, I just think has aged out of that roll and demands and expects. Our team does not play hard for him, themselves or the fans, some who financially stretch themselves to afford supporting our team.

Too many players going through the motions. If I were a GM, the only ones I touch are the untouchables. On the premise they are in for the playoff run and then out the door.

So I agree with you - ok we have something to give up but I sincerely think we are not getting much in return. Just freeing up space for a few possible positive moves over the summer

They are playing hard, they just aren't a good team. Suggesting they aren't trying is just something fans make up in their own brains because they lack the ability to realize that nearly every night, the opponent has more talent.

Yes, ironically it's a lazy criticism.

[Michael74]

Last three games. Pens have zero assets. A professional player making this sort of money. Opposing GM’s. No thank you.

We do have assets, I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that we don't. Or, are you just being a bit hyperbolic?

Well you can say we have them? But if you are a GM, and you are looking for a deep playoff run. Your job as a GM is also to retain your job. Do you honestly watch the pens and think this guy on this amount of money is going to make that happen. I look at every player in our roster and it’s awful to watch professional athletes not play hard. How many times have you heard are players and coaches be interviewed and state we did not play with enough desperation/intensity or come out flat. If this is in the DNA of an athlete in any capacity. They are fine!! Most of our team is like this regretfully. Players work so hard to become a pro, it’s extremely difficult to consistently punch that high and work that hard every day. You get older, you get stale and in the modern game you get very wealthy. Our troops are done. Maybe a few players are worth a punt, if surrounded by overall better attitude and a different coaching system that is essentially dump and chase, maybe you’re right and we have assets. However, that’s a risk if they don a New Jersey and play like a penguin they will be a flop.


Maybe I am being overly negative after another absolutely awful season. Watching management and coaching staff change nothing. Definition of insanity “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

I think Sullivan is a great coach for a team ready to win. I think we need a teaching coach, which he most sincerely used to be, I just think has aged out of that roll and demands and expects. Our team does not play hard for him, themselves or the fans, some who financially stretch themselves to afford supporting our team.

Too many players going through the motions. If I were a GM, the only ones I touch are the untouchables. On the premise they are in for the playoff run and then out the door.

So I agree with you - ok we have something to give up but I sincerely think we are not getting much in return. Just freeing up space for a few possible positive moves over the summer

I think the most exciting times of the year for this team will be in the summer for the foreseeable future. We can accrue assets and we do have pieces other teams will have interest in.

But as far as effort goes, and this miight sound counter intuitive, but I want then to tank! I hope they stink for the next year or two because to get back to good we need to draft a new core. We need to make those picks count. Winning games now or next year doesn't help in that scenario. Lose now, build for the future, win later.

But make no mistake, we do have decent pieces that will appeal to other organIzations. We just need Kyle to extract good value in moving those guys.