Jagr Watch 2017

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Detroit News now picking up the story:

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And according to Isport.cz, out of the Czech Republic, Jagr is considering the Red Wings, Penguins, Rangers and Canadiens if he returns to the NHL.

[columbia]

Kovy and Jagr to MON.

[tonysoprano]

Kovy and Jagr to MON.

I think that would help the Pens out more than Jagr signing here, personally.

[columbia]

Kovy and Jagr to MON.

I think that would help the Pens out more than Jagr signing here, personally.

You're probably correct.

[Sarcastic]

Wings? Are they kidding?

[HockeyDaddy]

I can't see Jagr fitting Dan Bylsma's system. Furthermore, do we really want a lazy player like him infecting the young guys on the team?

The way Jagr plays along the boards fits perfectly with Bylsma's system. The question remains, can he do it over a whole season + playoffs.

[tonysoprano]

Wings? Are they kidding?

How so?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I think the Rangers make the least sense for Jagr. The Redwings, Habs and Penguins all make perfect sense.

The Habs are really only one or two scoring threats away from wreaking havoc on teams.

The Redwings are probably about two seasons from rebuilding, the older guys still have some fight left in the tank and Jagr would probably mesh really well with their style of play.

The Penguins are also in the same boat as the Habs. While we already have some of the best scoring threats around, one more would put the Pens over the top.

The other team I haven't heard mentioned that I think would be a perfect fit for Jagr would be LA.

[marek]

I feel worse about Jagr signing with Detroit than I did when Hossa jumped ship

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I feel worse about Jagr signing with Detroit than I did when Hossa jumped ship

The Penguins have plenty of options to fill up the rest of their roster, especially if the cap goes to the max. If the Pens decide to ditch TK and Dupuis to hit the market, Jagr may not even be at the top of the Penguins list, so why feel bad?

As exciting as it would be to have Jagr back in the Penguins uniform, and I'm fairly confident he'd make a difference, there's still no certainty that he's able to produce well at the NHL anymore. There are wiser options at his pricetag out there. Nostalgia doesn't win cups.

[marek]

I feel worse about Jagr signing with Detroit than I did when Hossa jumped ship

The Penguins have plenty of options to fill up the rest of their roster, especially if the cap goes to the max. If the Pens decide to ditch TK and Dupuis to hit the market, Jagr may not even be at the top of the Penguins list, so why feel bad?

As exciting as it would be to have Jagr back in the Penguins uniform, and I'm fairly confident he'd make a difference, there's still no certainty that he's able to produce well at the NHL anymore. There are wiser options at his pricetag out there. Nostalgia doesn't win cups.

I hear ya... but there's just something really really wrong with JAGR 68 on a red wings jersey
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[newarenanow]

I feel worse about Jagr signing with Detroit than I did when Hossa jumped ship

The Penguins have plenty of options to fill up the rest of their roster, especially if the cap goes to the max. If the Pens decide to ditch TK and Dupuis to hit the market, Jagr may not even be at the top of the Penguins list, so why feel bad?

As exciting as it would be to have Jagr back in the Penguins uniform, and I'm fairly confident he'd make a difference, there's still no certainty that he's able to produce well at the NHL anymore. There are wiser options at his pricetag out there. Nostalgia doesn't win cups.

Couldn't have summed up my feelings any better.

Nostalgia has me hoping Jagr signs for one last hoorah with the Pens. Reality has me saying it probably isn't the best of ideas.

I have faith in GMRS though, so whatever he does, I'll feel comfortable.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I feel worse about Jagr signing with Detroit than I did when Hossa jumped ship

The Penguins have plenty of options to fill up the rest of their roster, especially if the cap goes to the max. If the Pens decide to ditch TK and Dupuis to hit the market, Jagr may not even be at the top of the Penguins list, so why feel bad?

As exciting as it would be to have Jagr back in the Penguins uniform, and I'm fairly confident he'd make a difference, there's still no certainty that he's able to produce well at the NHL anymore. There are wiser options at his pricetag out there. Nostalgia doesn't win cups.

Couldn't have summed up my feelings any better.

Nostalgia has me hoping Jagr signs for one last hoorah with the Pens. Reality has me saying it probably isn't the best of ideas.

I have faith in GMRS though, so whatever he does, I'll feel comfortable.

It would be a nice thing to see, but yeah, it's not the best of ideas. If he goes for the price-tag of around $4M for a season or two, there are better ideas. I'd rather lock up someone else at the price like Jokinen or Leino and know that they are probably only going to get better rather than slow down.

[jeffshly]

There are wiser options at his pricetag out there.

Let's take the quote from the Czech newspaper at face value and call the contract 1 year/$2.5M or 2 years/$5M. Either way, it's a cap it of $2.5M. Given the overwhelming need for Sidney Crosby to have a scoring winger - and let's face it, James Neal isn't the guy - who would those wiser options be in this price range?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

There are wiser options at his pricetag out there.

Let's take the quote from the Czech newspaper at face value and call the contract 1 year/$2.5M or 2 years/$5M. Either way, it's a cap it of $2.5M. Given the overwhelming need for Sidney Crosby to have a scoring winger - and let's face it, James Neal isn't the guy - who would those wiser options be in this price range?

You know you're right...I mean, after all these years of Neal playing with Sid and no producing, he's as good as gone...most likely traded at the draft for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Definitely gonna grab Jagr at $2.5M, no problem. No way any teams try to outbid eachother.

[pressure=9Pa]

The best scenario is Jagr signing a one year deal with a team that flops, he misses ~15 games with a less than serious injury, and gets traded to Pittsburgh at the deadline. He wouldn't have as much wear, he'd be fresh emotionally and ready for a cup run, and the Pens wouldn't be relying on him to carry a large load for 82 games.

[IanMoran]

1 year 2.5 million would be an amazing deal for him

[jeffshly]

There are wiser options at his pricetag out there.

Let's take the quote from the Czech newspaper at face value and call the contract 1 year/$2.5M or 2 years/$5M. Either way, it's a cap it of $2.5M. Given the overwhelming need for Sidney Crosby to have a scoring winger - and let's face it, James Neal isn't the guy - who would those wiser options be in this price range?

blah, blah, blah...

You didn't answer my question.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

There are wiser options at his pricetag out there.

Let's take the quote from the Czech newspaper at face value and call the contract 1 year/$2.5M or 2 years/$5M. Either way, it's a cap it of $2.5M. Given the overwhelming need for Sidney Crosby to have a scoring winger - and let's face it, James Neal isn't the guy - who would those wiser options be in this price range?

blah, blah, blah...

You didn't answer my question.

Of course I didn't...after seeing your train of thought, I realize any discussions with you are a waste of time.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

The best scenario is Jagr signing a one year deal with a team that flops, he misses ~15 games with a less than serious injury, and gets traded to Pittsburgh at the deadline. He wouldn't have as much wear, he'd be fresh emotionally and ready for a cup run, and the Pens wouldn't be relying on him to carry a large load for 82 games.

I would imagine any contract Jagr would sign, be it one or two years, would have a NTC.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

1 year 2.5 million would be an amazing deal for him

That I would do. No way would I do a two year contract.

[jeffshly]

Of course I didn't...after seeing your train of thought, I realize any discussions with you are a waste of time.

Okay, let's recap, shall we?

1. Hugo says there are "wiser options" at a 1 year/$2.5M or 2 year/$5M pricetag than Jaromir Jagr.
2. Jeff asks Hugo to name one.
3. Hugo gets all blah, blah, blah.
4. Jeff asks Hugo to name one.
5. Hugo says that a discussion with Jeff is a waste of time.

That, my friends, is what's called "intelligent debate!"

Bottom line, there is no player in a $2.5M price range that can come close to providing the offensive results that Jaromir Jagr would. Would there be some risk involved on the Penguins part? Absolutely.

There's no way to guarantee that Jagr wouldn't quickly grow tired of being the second - or even third - fiddle on this team. The decision would have to be made by GMRS as to whether Jagr has matured over the last six and a half years to the point where he'd be content as a complimentary player, albeit a complimentary player to the best player in the world. Is $2.5M worth that risk?

With Jagr on his right side, Crosby could achieve unprecedented production levels because he's never had a winger as talented as Jagr playing alongside him. Without Jagr, the Pens don't change much from last year and James Neal is depended upon to be the primary set-up man for Crosby.

To me, there's more risk in depending on Neal to be that guy than there is in depending upon Jagr to be that guy.

Worst case, if Jagr completely soils the mattress and is run out of town, the Pens are left as a team with $60.5M of on-ice talent instead of $63M. If healthy, would the Pens have contended for the Cup in 2010-11? I believe so. Does Jagr increase their chances of contending in 2011-12? I believe so.

As I said, there's risk involved. The Pens have proven to be a team willing to take calculated risks. Certainly, signing Jagr to a $2.5M contract wouldn't be nearly as risky as helping a young Evgeni Malkin get out of Russia and into the US. But in that case, the upside made the risk worth it. I believe the same could be said about signing Jagr to a $2.5M contract.

I would not get into a bidding war for his services. I would not mortgage my team's future to sign him. But on a team with three top six forwards and nine third-and-fourth line forwards dressing every night, I'd take Jagr in a heartbeat at $2.5M.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Of course I didn't...after seeing your train of thought, I realize any discussions with you are a waste of time.

Okay, let's recap, shall we?

1. Hugo says there are "wiser options" at a 1 year/$2.5M or 2 year/$5M pricetag than Jaromir Jagr.
2. Jeff asks Hugo to name one.
3. Hugo gets all blah, blah, blah.
4. Jeff asks Hugo to name one.
5. Hugo says that a discussion with Jeff is a waste of time.

That, my friends, is what's called "intelligent debate!"

Bottom line, there is no player in a $2.5M price range that can come close to providing the offensive results that Jaromir Jagr would. Would there be some risk involved on the Penguins part? Absolutely.

There's no way to guarantee that Jagr wouldn't quickly grow tired of being the second - or even third - fiddle on this team. The decision would have to be made by GMRS as to whether Jagr has matured over the last six and a half years to the point where he'd be content as a complimentary player, albeit a complimentary player to the best player in the world. Is $2.5M worth that risk?

With Jagr on his right side, Crosby could achieve unprecedented production levels because he's never had a winger as talented as Jagr playing alongside him. Without Jagr, the Pens don't change much from last year and James Neal is depended upon to be the primary set-up man for Crosby.

To me, there's more risk in depending on Neal to be that guy than there is in depending upon Jagr to be that guy.

Worst case, if Jagr completely soils the mattress and is run out of town, the Pens are left as a team with $60.5M of on-ice talent instead of $63M. If healthy, would the Pens have contended for the Cup in 2010-11? I believe so. Does Jagr increase their chances of contending in 2011-12? I believe so.

As I said, there's risk involved. The Pens have proven to be a team willing to take calculated risks. Certainly, signing Jagr to a $2.5M contract wouldn't be nearly as risky as helping a young Evgeni Malkin get out of Russia and into the US. But in that case, the upside made the risk worth it. I believe the same could be said about signing Jagr to a $2.5M contract.

I would not get into a bidding war for his services. I would not mortgage my team's future to sign him. But on a team with three top six forwards and nine third-and-fourth line forwards dressing every night, I'd take Jagr in a heartbeat at $2.5M.

Your comment regarding James Neal is why I discredit you and decided to not continue any further discussions.

[jeffshly]

Your comment regarding James Neal is why I discredit you and decided to not continue any further discussions.

James Neal has averaged 0.58 points per game in his NHL career. Is there a lot of potential upside with him? Absolutely. Are the Pens in a position to allow Neal another year or two or three to develop into a top-notch winger? No. They're in a position to win the Cup and win it now. I'm not suggesting they dump Neal. I'll go so far as to say that James Neal would fit nicely alongside Evgeni Malkin on the second line. But in 2011, with this team being a perennial favorite to win the Cup, is James Neal the scoring winger who we've been screaming Crosby needed since Marian Hossa left?

Let me repeat what I stated earlier: James Neal isn't that guy.

If you believe that statement to be a slight at Neal, so be it. It's not meant to be. It's only meant to be an honest evaluation of James Neal's current level. How many NHL teams would he serve as a top-line winger for? Better yet, how many elite NHL teams would he serve as a top-line winger for?

But that's okay. You continue your man-crush for James Neal. Discredit anyone who doesn't have the same man-crush you do and discontinue any discussions with anyone who doesn't feel the same way you do. Are you the guy whose parents always told him what he wanted to hear? Are you the guy who sits and rocks in a corner anytime someone dares to disagree? Grow up!