LGP Education thread

[Factorial]

Just record once and fire the teachers.

Can't you imagine someone expressing that opinion?

[count2infinity]

Just record once and fire the teachers.

yeah...who needs teachers when you have youtube?

[MWB]

I'll read on one hand the charter schools work well, but it's simply because they kick the bad kids out.

I really don't see a problem here, if you coddle the disruptive kids who have no interest in learning, you bring down the system to their level. If they don't want to learn, tough ****, going to suck to be them. Maybe the magic bullet should be "Don't be a loser like this guy", that means taking away the government cell phone, the food stamps for lobster, pepsi, and steak, all the nice "benefits" that are paid for by other people..... or at the very least toning them down quite a bit. In the words of Ben Franklin - let's make poverty a little bit harder to deal with.

When you're using public funds to pay for that education they shouldn't be allowed to just get rid of who they want, especially when they advertise being the great closer of the achievement gap. If you want to make all schools private, fine, just realize it will screw over thousands and thousands of kids because their parents don't care.

[ExPatriatePen]

Just record once and fire the teachers.

Can't you imagine someone expressing that opinion?

Yes... I can also imagine someone expressing the opinion that we should build a lunar colony on the moon... (I'm looking at you Newt)

My response is the same to both...

[Factorial]

I'll read on one hand the charter schools work well, but it's simply because they kick the bad kids out.

I really don't see a problem here, if you coddle the disruptive kids who have no interest in learning, you bring down the system to their level. If they don't want to learn, tough ****, going to suck to be them. Maybe the magic bullet should be "Don't be a loser like this guy", that means taking away the government cell phone, the food stamps for lobster, pepsi, and steak, all the nice "benefits" that are paid for by other people..... or at the very least toning them down quite a bit. In the words of Ben Franklin - let's make poverty a little bit harder to deal with.

When you're using public funds to pay for that education they shouldn't be allowed to just get rid of who they want, especially when they advertise being the great closer of the achievement gap. If you want to make all schools private, fine, just realize it will screw over thousands and thousands of kids because their parents don't care.

[count2infinity]

to a certain extent, i agree with you jaybird. There should be much heftier punishments for acting out at school and disrupting others education, but you can't just kick everyone out for being a dumb@$$. Just doesn't work like that.

[count2infinity]

plus, not all kids that act out at school and cause daily disruptions are on government assistance. in fact, many are not.

[ExPatriatePen]

http://www.thedailyriff.com/articles/ho ... ng-536.php

This is awesome and I'd love to be in one of these. Real quick summary, flipped classrooms work like this, the teacher records themselves teaching the lesson and concepts. The students go on the web at home and watch this lesson. It gives them the benefit of being to hear things over and over again and rewatch the lesson as needed. Then when they actually come to school they do the "homework" with the benefit of already having seen the lesson and concepts and having the teacher right there to answer anymore in depth questions. Awesome.

That kinda defeats the purpose of children actually learning. The main reason they give homework (in their minds) is to have the children a) practice the material at home and 2) teach themselves and work through something they might not understand by applying what they already know.

I can just see a bunch of kids not watching the lesson then spending the entire class asking the teacher how to do stuff. Would never work in American schools.

So what you're advocating is penalizing the kids who would do the 'work' to make sure the kids who wouldn't have their collective hands held?

There are ways around the problems you mention.

It seems a waste to me to have a teacher drone on about a subject that could be transferred to a medium where the kids could see it for themselves ad hoc. Where the teacher is really needed is when the concepts are put into practice.

What are the ways around the problems?

I can see definite benefit to this strategy in upper HS and college. Younger ages need the direct instruction and interaction with the teacher though. Providing a backup instruction is good though. I'm in the process of getting power points if my lessons in my website. I give the initial instruction, but kids and parents then have access to later review the material when needed.

I thought we were talking about secondary education.

Primary, you're right... interaction is completely necessary to generate a buzz and excitement over the subject matter... I do think that for the more advanced students there may be an opportunity to delve deeper into subject matter using these tools though.

(who among us hasn't seen a 4th, 5th or 6th grader take a special interest in a subject (Trains, insects, sports, planes, aquatic life construction vehicles etc...) and proceed to devour every bit of information they can get on the subject? - Since the subjects that attract their interest are often the same you could leverage the 'viewership' over an entire region or even country instead of creating these curriculums individually for each school.

[count2infinity]

you bring up a good point EPP... secondary vs. elementary schooling. i know that when i took education classes, far too often these two were lumped in together as one cohesive unit. they are anything but that. the students are completely different and should be treated as such.

[ExPatriatePen]

to a certain extent, i agree with you jaybird. There should be much heftier punishments for acting out at school and disrupting others education, but you can't just kick everyone out for being a dumb@$$. Just doesn't work like that.

nah... give the ones that act up a trombone... I hear that keeps them occupied.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

[count2infinity]

not sure what that means... but ok

[SoupOrSam]

I support student work camps for students that do not want to be in the classroom. There should be farms on the school property that have zero machines. Parents should also be found accountable also and have to work the farms too.

THAT'LL EDUMACATE THEM. I don't know if I'm serious or not. Lol.

[Physical_Graffiti]

plus, not all kids that act out at school and cause daily disruptions are on government assistance. in fact, many are not.

The rich kids did that at my school.

[MWB]

Bad parenting makes bad kids. Good parenting makes good kids. Money isn't an essential factor.

[doublem]

Bad parenting makes bad kids. Good parenting makes good kids. Money isn't an essential factor.

How do you fix that?

[MWB]

Bad parenting makes bad kids. Good parenting makes good kids. Money isn't an essential factor.

How do you fix that?

How do you fix people? You don't, at least not adults. You work to try to help kids as much as you can. It won't be a high success rate, but any improvement is better than nothing.

[Pavel Bure]

Obviously the flipped classrooms are secondary centered. I also agree that it would not work in lower grades but for secondary I feel it can be pretty darn effective.

[MWB]

Loveless, whose analysis is out today, looked at statistics showing that the United States in 2007 ranked 11th among 36 countries in fourth-grade math.

Re-examining the data, he found that when nations with "statistically indistinguishable" scores were grouped, the U.S. group -- which includes Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands -- was essentially in fifth place worldwide.

http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition ... s_ST_U.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[count2infinity]

there's still no real point in comparing the US to other countries for test scores. even if we come out as #1, it doesn't mean our system works.

[MWB]

there's still no real point in comparing the US to other countries for test scores. even if we come out as #1, it doesn't mean our system works.

Of course not, but the sky is falling theatrics by some because of our comparative test scores is silly. We're very similar to where we've always been.

[ExPatriatePen]

there's still no real point in comparing the US to other countries for test scores. even if we come out as #1, it doesn't mean our system works.

Of course not, but the sky is falling theatrics by some because of our comparative test scores is silly. We're very similar to where we've always been.

So, good enough is good enough?

(said with more than a hint of sarcasm)

There's an enormous amount of "opportunity for improvement" in our secondary education system.

[count2infinity]

there's an enormous amount of opportunity for improvement everywhere, not just secondary education. but i truly agree with you, there's improvement to be done everywhere, but the problem is how. how do you go about doing that? i think what we've seen in this thread is there isn't some mystical way to make a good school, there are far too many factors that go into it. really it's a system that needs to be torn down and rebuilt, and with the large average age of teachers across the nation (many teachers getting ready to retire) we have a prime opportunity to do that.

[count2infinity]

Arne Duncan was on The Daily Show last night... interesting interview

[MWB]

Arne Duncan was on The Daily Show last night... interesting interview

Saw that. Stewart asked some good questions that Duncan didn't have great answers for about Race to the Top.

[Pavel Bure]

Arne Duncan was on The Daily Show last night... interesting interview

Saw that. Stewart asked some good questions that Duncan didn't have great answers for about Race to the Top.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-f ... view-pt--1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;