A little late, but... Breaking Bad???

[Gaucho]

Hey, what happens with Brock?

[BurghersAndDogsSports]

Remember he went back partially based on his giving up his legacy and work from Grey Matters. When he saw on TV them talking including the Blue Meth he assumed Jesse was in on it as well. He wasn't going to let that happen again - his legacy,his work, his creation, his money and his family's future going to someone else.

i don't think we saw that aspect in the finale at all. this episode was mainly to make things right for everyone else - ignoring his own selfish interests. and while he got a kick out of screwing with elliot and gretchen, it was hardly the Heisenberg moment that the last episode foreshadowed. i think each writer was granted a lot of freedom to make their episodes how they wanted them to be. and while the collection of talent in that regard made this show as great as it was, i think it worked against them in this case. the last 5 episodes were all noticeably different - to an extent that it was a little distracting.

I never understood why people were so obsessed with the idea that he was completing a transformation.

well vince gilligan has said about a million times that the whole point of the show was walt's transformation.

But he didn't go back to get them. He went back for his legacy as Heisenburgh and to get his legacy (money) to his children. It was more irony that Elliott made it happen. That tv scene was just a trigger, he even admitted throughout the show he left them. It's not like they wronged him, he wronged her actually. They even tried to make it right at points. He was just too proud. There were a lot of theories about him going to kill Elliott but those were just theories, it never actually pointed that way. People just thought that it did.

He still did Break Bad, but the ending episode was about himself and finishing what he started, not giving up like he did before.

[count2infinity]

At first it's easy to think that at the end of Granite State that Walt is going to go full blown crazy town, blow up Elliot's house, run over the Nazi's with a tank, move back in with his family whether they like it or not and go kill Jesse himself, but what would that do for him? I think something clicked when he heard blue meth was still being sold and that Elliot and Gretchen were giving money away to help with meth addiction, and it wasn't necessarily him becoming Heisenberg, but him knowing that he's not done yet. He can't just wait for the cops to get there and arrest him.

As far as the transformation is concerned, he certainly transformed into a very volatile character. The entire series was about the transformation, and I don't know if they intended for this or not, but most chemical reactions have two lower energy states (beginning and end) and then the transition spot that is much higher in energy and very reactive. It's possible that Walt was just going on a chemical reaction. The peak of his reaction was the crazy Heisenberg character before returning to a lower energy and dying. Again, it's likely not meant to be like that, but it's something I found interesting.

[BurghersAndDogsSports]

And that happened. Nothing about the last 8 episodes suggested that was where the end was headed though.

Sure it did. Giving himself up and then trying to save Hank, trying to get any money to his son, giving the baby back. There was a lot.

[slappybrown]

I thought the episode was excellent.

Additionally, I thought it was the best finale of any show that I've watched start to finish.

[Admin]

Todd was undercover DEA. Walt's watch had a GPS chip. Gray Matter manufactures meth.

Instead just more crying.

[Idoit40fans]

And that happened. Nothing about the last 8 episodes suggested that was where the end was headed though.

Sure it did. Giving himself up and then trying to save Hank, trying to get any money to his son, giving the baby back. There was a lot.

Wait..are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? All of this suggests that the drug empire is his lowest priority.

[BurghersAndDogsSports]

And that happened. Nothing about the last 8 episodes suggested that was where the end was headed though.

Sure it did. Giving himself up and then trying to save Hank, trying to get any money to his son, giving the baby back. There was a lot.

Wait..are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? All of this suggests that the drug empire is his lowest priority.

I think that's what happened in the show. It was for his family at first - then ( as he admitted) it was for him. He broke bad.

The ending (set off by the Grey Matters interview) was about his legacy. When I say legacy I am not saying the world knowing he is Heisenburg.

I am saying his legacy, his creation, his literal blood, blood on his hands, sweat and tears, his families stability and quality going to Jesse and the Nazis. And continuing to go to them. Like Grey Matters.

Grey Matters triggered that including knowing the blue meth is still out there. He wasn't going to lose what he lost for his family already once.

Know where did it lean to him killing Elliott, that was just speculation.

Interpret that how you wish I guess but I think I agree I guess but it's not that clean and easy to just say "his empire"

[Kraftster]

Reading Grey Matters is a lot like reading Dustin Jeffries.

[BurghersAndDogsSports]

Reading Grey Matters is a lot like reading Dustin Jeffries.

Valid point.

[Idoit40fans]

I interpret as the show ending with him finally going back to being about protecting his family like it was back in season 1.

[cheesesteakwithegg]

I thought the finale was terrific.

- Great to see Walt die on his own terms.
- Loved the nod / look that Jesse and Walt had before Jesse drove off. It almost was like they left each other on respectable terms.
- I am wondering about the shot of Jesse doing woodwork. At first I thought it was a dream, but I wonder if it was a flash-forward as well a la Gilligan telling us that Jesse was going to survive.
- As a father of a 2 girls, it was heartbreaking seeing Walt say goodbye to Holly.
- I would have liked to see Marie off herself, but I guess you can't have everything that you want.

[count2infinity]

- I am wondering about the shot of Jesse doing woodwork. At first I thought it was a dream, but I wonder if it was a flash-forward as well a la Gilligan telling us that Jesse was going to survive.

It was from when he was in rehab. He talked about this box that he made for a vo-tech class. He said he built it in a day and it was crappy, so the teacher said, "is this your best?" He said for whatever reason that got to him and he spent weeks perfecting this box and it was one of his greatest accomplishments in school. He then traded it for weed.

[Idoit40fans]

Good trade, i'd say.

[BurghersAndDogsSports]

I interpret as the show ending with him finally going back to being about protecting his family like it was back in season 1.

True, but I think there was way more to that and why.

[Dickie Dunn]

http://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/eve ... eaking-bad

Breakfast.

[PensFanInDC]

I think the very end was a double entendre of sorts, at least to me. On one hand it was Heisenberg remember how great he was, how good he was at cooking, and how great the empire he built was. On the other hand, Walter White was proud of his student, Jesse. He had taught him so well that he was able to produce the same product, if not better, than he himself. In the end Walter White was happy with being a good teacher.

[count2infinity]

One thing Vince said in the Talking Bad episode after the finale was that they had to cut a scene that after Walt hangs up the phone from getting Elliot's new address, some kid inside the store or whatever is staring at him. It's a former student. He goes in and pays him off to keep quiet and on his way out he asks him if he was a good teacher.

[PensFanInDC]

Maybe my theory holds some water then. I definitely felt a 2 sided vibe at the end. Walt and Heisenberg basking in their two separate yet connected talents at the same time.

[slappybrown]

[Mr. Colby]

So without knowing about Jack's shenanigans with Jesse and his family, the reason Walt came back for them with the m60 was what...just to avenge Hank's death? There's a disconnect between last week's ending and this week's episode. He didn't complete any "Bad" metamorphosis or anything like we were led to believe. He just went back to atone and to fix things. That's not disappointing, story wise. But it is a bit of a continuity issue.

I agree. With that said, I have had this sort of continuity issue several times during 5B and even in the same episode at times. That sort of leads me to believe that it could be intentional and that Walt has sort of floated back and forth between worlds, not being able to settle on who he now is. I unfortunately didn't get to see most of the Season 5b portion of the marathon, so I will not be able to settle on this until I rewatch the season at some point, but I have definitely had this feeling many times.

Walt knew they had jesse. Jesse was the only one who could do blue meth. Badger and skinny Pete confirmed it was against jesses will since theythought he was in Alaska.

Walt wanted to rid the world of his monstrous creation that's why he killed the nazis. Heisenberg and his legacy are no more

[Admin]

Walt wanted to rid the world of his monstrous creation that's why he killed the nazis. Heisenberg and his legacy are no more

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but freeing Jesse doesn't rid the world of blue meth.

[count2infinity]

I know that Walt went with the intentions of revenge and shutting down the Nazi's production, but I can't help but think that he is such a huge name in the southwest and there was a nationwide manhunt to find him after he left. I think the cops showing up and finding him dead in a meth lab will only go to further that legacy of Walter being the Heisenberg, the creator of the blue meth.

[Staggy]

I know that Walt went with the intentions of revenge and shutting down the Nazi's production, but I can't help but think that he is such a huge name in the southwest and there was a nationwide manhunt to find him after he left. I think the cops showing up and finding him dead in a meth lab will only go to further that legacy of Walter being the Heisenberg, the creator of the blue meth.

Yeah I'm pretty sure his motivation wasn't ridding the world of his monstrous creation, he was just making sure everyone knew it was him cooking the blue meth.

[Idoit40fans]

Im not sure hiw i didnt realize that.