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FLPensFan wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:43 pm
Spoiler:
KG wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:22 pm
Cap Friendly is going bye bye today. Puck Pedia put out today a Puck GM component for anyone that's interested. Good to see they are trying to fill the void created by the Caps!
Happy to say they are catching up to CapFriendly much quicker than I anticipated.
Spoiler:
They've already cut down SOME of the "crap" that they had on their team pages. I'd still like to see the team pages have the cap summary at the top, not buried under news and transactions, but, it is getting there for sure.
They see the money! LOL! Improve their product, another NHL team will come along and let them retire handsomely.
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Pitts wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:33 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:43 pm
Spoiler:
KG wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:22 pm
Cap Friendly is going bye bye today. Puck Pedia put out today a Puck GM component for anyone that's interested. Good to see they are trying to fill the void created by the Caps!
Happy to say they are catching up to CapFriendly much quicker than I anticipated.
Spoiler:
They've already cut down SOME of the "crap" that they had on their team pages. I'd still like to see the team pages have the cap summary at the top, not buried under news and transactions, but, it is getting there for sure.
They see the money! LOL! Improve their product, another NHL team will come along and let them retire handsomely.
Can someone start building a replacement for PuckPedia right about now for when that (inevitably?) happens
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What about Pacioretty?
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Currently at 48 contracts. We'll be spending roughly ~84.5M at opening night assuming all players are healthy. Think we're about done.
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Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:26 am
Currently at 48 contracts. We'll be spending roughly ~84.5M at opening night assuming all players are healthy. Think we're about done.
I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
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KG wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:14 am
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:26 am
Currently at 48 contracts. We'll be spending roughly ~84.5M at opening night assuming all players are healthy. Think we're about done.
I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
48 includes Andonovski.

I could see a scenario where Pens try to acquire a pick by taking on salary and sending out something like Johnstone in return.

More likely, KD wants to keep some cap space open to get a deal in the season to get goodies in trade for a cap dump.
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Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:42 am
KG wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:14 am
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:26 am
Currently at 48 contracts. We'll be spending roughly ~84.5M at opening night assuming all players are healthy. Think we're about done.
I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
48 includes Andonovski.

I could see a scenario where Pens try to acquire a pick by taking on salary and sending out something like Johnstone in return.

More likely, KD wants to keep some cap space open to get a deal in the season to get goodies in trade for a cap dump.
Keep the cap space til the deadline
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thehockeyguru wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:13 pm
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:42 am
KG wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:14 am
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:26 am
Currently at 48 contracts. We'll be spending roughly ~84.5M at opening night assuming all players are healthy. Think we're about done.
I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
48 includes Andonovski.

I could see a scenario where Pens try to acquire a pick by taking on salary and sending out something like Johnstone in return.

More likely, KD wants to keep some cap space open to get a deal in the season to get goodies in trade for a cap dump.
Keep the cap space til the deadline
A few notes on this....

1) I've got the Penguins at 23 players (14F, 7D, 2G) with 3.6M in cap space, which also has Nieto and Ludvig on LTIR to start.

2) There are 7 teams currently above the salary cap, WSH, PHI, TOR, VGK, EDM, NSH, & FLA. PHI (Ellis) and VGK (Lehner) have enough LTIR players to not need to make a move, and WSH (Backstrom) is also fine IF Oshie retires or goes on LTIR for most of the season. FLA is over by about 8K with a full 23 man roster. They'll likely send one of their d-men down to the AHL to start, and be able to recall him in 3-4 days after banking some extra cap space. That leaves EDM, TOR, and NSH who need some help.
----NSH is over by about 170K. They can send Luke Evangilista to the minors (still waiver exempt), or maybe look at trading someone like Cody Glass (2.5M) to help free up some space. Glass is 25, a former 6th overall pick who is top 9 type player. 14 goals, 35 points 2 years ago, but a bit of an injury history. Glass for Poulin?
----TOR has both Robertson and DeWar as RFAs, and they are 694K over the cap. They can send Matt Murray to the AHL to get under the cap...but that does nothing for their 2 RFAs. One or both are going to need to be dealt, or someone else needs to be dealt to free up space.
-----EDM has 20 players on its roster and is 354K over the cap. They still need to sign RFAs Holloway and Broberg. Holloway is 22 and a former 14th overall pick who hasn't made an impact yet, but he did manage 5 goals in the playoffs this year (only 4 less than he scored in 89 regular season games over 2 years). Maybe he could be picked up in a trade. Or maybe EDM trades Evander Kane. We could take Kane if EDM retains, or, maybe there is someone else out there who would want Kane at a cheaper price and we get a pick for retaining salary.

3) Dubas reportedly had interest in Oliver Wahlstrom. The Islanders are currently showing a 20 man roster with only 1.062M in cap space and FOUR RFAs to sign, including Wahlstrom. Lamoriello has already said he is open to dealing Wahlstrom, he needs more playing time...but Lou says he's not going to give him away. Wahlstrom is a former 11th overall pick who has 34 goals in 193 NHL games. To me, he's like Puustinen with a great shot, but Wahlstrom has some size and will play a bit physical. Wahlstrom just turned 24.

For me, with all those options, I like Wahlstrom, Robertson, Holloway, and Glass, in that order, as moves I'd like to see Dubas make. We also have the outside shot that Yager makes the team. While it still seems like a long-shot, I also don't like him having to go back to Junior...where I don't think he's going to advance much. Playing against bigger, older competition is a big part of his next step of his development. Since he cannot go to the AHL, if everything else looks good, I'd rather just keep him in the NHL this season and see how he does. He'd be able to go to the AHL next year if he doesn't initially meet expectations.

Yager-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Wahlstrom
Lizotte-Eller-Puljujarvi
x-Acciari, Poulin

That would be an appealing forward group to me. Puustinen and a late pick for Wahlstrom. 5 young guys in the top 12 plus Poulin as a reserve, with Gruden, Ponomarev, Koivunen, Bokondji, Koppanen, Johnstone as first wave of AHL callups at forwards.
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FLPensFan wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:50 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:13 pm
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:42 am
KG wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:14 am
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:26 am
Currently at 48 contracts. We'll be spending roughly ~84.5M at opening night assuming all players are healthy. Think we're about done.
I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
48 includes Andonovski.

I could see a scenario where Pens try to acquire a pick by taking on salary and sending out something like Johnstone in return.

More likely, KD wants to keep some cap space open to get a deal in the season to get goodies in trade for a cap dump.
Keep the cap space til the deadline
A few notes on this....

1) I've got the Penguins at 23 players (14F, 7D, 2G) with 3.6M in cap space, which also has Nieto and Ludvig on LTIR to start.

2) There are 7 teams currently above the salary cap, WSH, PHI, TOR, VGK, EDM, NSH, & FLA. PHI (Ellis) and VGK (Lehner) have enough LTIR players to not need to make a move, and WSH (Backstrom) is also fine IF Oshie retires or goes on LTIR for most of the season. FLA is over by about 8K with a full 23 man roster. They'll likely send one of their d-men down to the AHL to start, and be able to recall him in 3-4 days after banking some extra cap space. That leaves EDM, TOR, and NSH who need some help.
----NSH is over by about 170K. They can send Luke Evangilista to the minors (still waiver exempt), or maybe look at trading someone like Cody Glass (2.5M) to help free up some space. Glass is 25, a former 6th overall pick who is top 9 type player. 14 goals, 35 points 2 years ago, but a bit of an injury history. Glass for Poulin?
----TOR has both Robertson and DeWar as RFAs, and they are 694K over the cap. They can send Matt Murray to the AHL to get under the cap...but that does nothing for their 2 RFAs. One or both are going to need to be dealt, or someone else needs to be dealt to free up space.
-----EDM has 20 players on its roster and is 354K over the cap. They still need to sign RFAs Holloway and Broberg. Holloway is 22 and a former 14th overall pick who hasn't made an impact yet, but he did manage 5 goals in the playoffs this year (only 4 less than he scored in 89 regular season games over 2 years). Maybe he could be picked up in a trade. Or maybe EDM trades Evander Kane. We could take Kane if EDM retains, or, maybe there is someone else out there who would want Kane at a cheaper price and we get a pick for retaining salary.

3) Dubas reportedly had interest in Oliver Wahlstrom. The Islanders are currently showing a 20 man roster with only 1.062M in cap space and FOUR RFAs to sign, including Wahlstrom. Lamoriello has already said he is open to dealing Wahlstrom, he needs more playing time...but Lou says he's not going to give him away. Wahlstrom is a former 11th overall pick who has 34 goals in 193 NHL games. To me, he's like Puustinen with a great shot, but Wahlstrom has some size and will play a bit physical. Wahlstrom just turned 24.

For me, with all those options, I like Wahlstrom, Robertson, Holloway, and Glass, in that order, as moves I'd like to see Dubas make. We also have the outside shot that Yager makes the team. While it still seems like a long-shot, I also don't like him having to go back to Junior...where I don't think he's going to advance much. Playing against bigger, older competition is a big part of his next step of his development. Since he cannot go to the AHL, if everything else looks good, I'd rather just keep him in the NHL this season and see how he does. He'd be able to go to the AHL next year if he doesn't initially meet expectations.

Yager-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Wahlstrom
Lizotte-Eller-Puljujarvi
x-Acciari, Poulin

That would be an appealing forward group to me. Puustinen and a late pick for Wahlstrom. 5 young guys in the top 12 plus Poulin as a reserve, with Gruden, Ponomarev, Koivunen, Bokondji, Koppanen, Johnstone as first wave of AHL callups at forwards.
You forgot Beauvillier lol. We have too many NHL contracts. I’d love to see Pono make it and Yager and one of Hayes/Eller and Acciari sit. But we have to be realistic with this coach. Hopefully Dubas is still looking for some trades. What happened to “we want to surround Sid with young and hungry players,” and then we go out and trade/sign Hayes, Beauvillier and Gryz? No spots for youngsters
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Ericf wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:21 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:50 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:13 pm
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:42 am
KG wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:14 am


I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
48 includes Andonovski.

I could see a scenario where Pens try to acquire a pick by taking on salary and sending out something like Johnstone in return.

More likely, KD wants to keep some cap space open to get a deal in the season to get goodies in trade for a cap dump.
Keep the cap space til the deadline
A few notes on this....

1) I've got the Penguins at 23 players (14F, 7D, 2G) with 3.6M in cap space, which also has Nieto and Ludvig on LTIR to start.

2) There are 7 teams currently above the salary cap, WSH, PHI, TOR, VGK, EDM, NSH, & FLA. PHI (Ellis) and VGK (Lehner) have enough LTIR players to not need to make a move, and WSH (Backstrom) is also fine IF Oshie retires or goes on LTIR for most of the season. FLA is over by about 8K with a full 23 man roster. They'll likely send one of their d-men down to the AHL to start, and be able to recall him in 3-4 days after banking some extra cap space. That leaves EDM, TOR, and NSH who need some help.
----NSH is over by about 170K. They can send Luke Evangilista to the minors (still waiver exempt), or maybe look at trading someone like Cody Glass (2.5M) to help free up some space. Glass is 25, a former 6th overall pick who is top 9 type player. 14 goals, 35 points 2 years ago, but a bit of an injury history. Glass for Poulin?
----TOR has both Robertson and DeWar as RFAs, and they are 694K over the cap. They can send Matt Murray to the AHL to get under the cap...but that does nothing for their 2 RFAs. One or both are going to need to be dealt, or someone else needs to be dealt to free up space.
-----EDM has 20 players on its roster and is 354K over the cap. They still need to sign RFAs Holloway and Broberg. Holloway is 22 and a former 14th overall pick who hasn't made an impact yet, but he did manage 5 goals in the playoffs this year (only 4 less than he scored in 89 regular season games over 2 years). Maybe he could be picked up in a trade. Or maybe EDM trades Evander Kane. We could take Kane if EDM retains, or, maybe there is someone else out there who would want Kane at a cheaper price and we get a pick for retaining salary.

3) Dubas reportedly had interest in Oliver Wahlstrom. The Islanders are currently showing a 20 man roster with only 1.062M in cap space and FOUR RFAs to sign, including Wahlstrom. Lamoriello has already said he is open to dealing Wahlstrom, he needs more playing time...but Lou says he's not going to give him away. Wahlstrom is a former 11th overall pick who has 34 goals in 193 NHL games. To me, he's like Puustinen with a great shot, but Wahlstrom has some size and will play a bit physical. Wahlstrom just turned 24.

For me, with all those options, I like Wahlstrom, Robertson, Holloway, and Glass, in that order, as moves I'd like to see Dubas make. We also have the outside shot that Yager makes the team. While it still seems like a long-shot, I also don't like him having to go back to Junior...where I don't think he's going to advance much. Playing against bigger, older competition is a big part of his next step of his development. Since he cannot go to the AHL, if everything else looks good, I'd rather just keep him in the NHL this season and see how he does. He'd be able to go to the AHL next year if he doesn't initially meet expectations.

Yager-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Wahlstrom
Lizotte-Eller-Puljujarvi
x-Acciari, Poulin

That would be an appealing forward group to me. Puustinen and a late pick for Wahlstrom. 5 young guys in the top 12 plus Poulin as a reserve, with Gruden, Ponomarev, Koivunen, Bokondji, Koppanen, Johnstone as first wave of AHL callups at forwards.
You forgot Beauvillier lol. We have too many NHL contracts. I’d love to see Pono make it and Yager and one of Hayes/Eller and Acciari sit. But we have to be realistic with this coach. Hopefully Dubas is still looking for some trades. What happened to “we want to surround Sid with young and hungry players,” and then we go out and trade/sign Hayes, Beauvillier and Gryz? No spots for youngsters
I would make the Poulin for Glass deal in a second. Though I think Nashville would want something more from us.
If Poulin for Wahlstrom was on the table, I would do that too. I think with the influx of all these centers, including retaining Eller so far, and the probable addition of Ponomarov, Poulin is no longer a player we really need. Besides, I doubt he tops out at anything more than a 12th/13th forward on an NHL roster.
Saying that, Robertson would be my first choice, but I just don't see us being able to make it unless we give up a decent draft pick or better prospect.
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Re: 2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

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Ericf wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:21 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:50 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:13 pm
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:42 am
KG wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:14 am


I think with the Andonovski signing yesterday we are at 49 now. Hopefully KD can move one or two of our 12 bottom 6 forwards soon.
48 includes Andonovski.

I could see a scenario where Pens try to acquire a pick by taking on salary and sending out something like Johnstone in return.

More likely, KD wants to keep some cap space open to get a deal in the season to get goodies in trade for a cap dump.
Keep the cap space til the deadline
A few notes on this....

1) I've got the Penguins at 23 players (14F, 7D, 2G) with 3.6M in cap space, which also has Nieto and Ludvig on LTIR to start.

2) There are 7 teams currently above the salary cap, WSH, PHI, TOR, VGK, EDM, NSH, & FLA. PHI (Ellis) and VGK (Lehner) have enough LTIR players to not need to make a move, and WSH (Backstrom) is also fine IF Oshie retires or goes on LTIR for most of the season. FLA is over by about 8K with a full 23 man roster. They'll likely send one of their d-men down to the AHL to start, and be able to recall him in 3-4 days after banking some extra cap space. That leaves EDM, TOR, and NSH who need some help.
----NSH is over by about 170K. They can send Luke Evangilista to the minors (still waiver exempt), or maybe look at trading someone like Cody Glass (2.5M) to help free up some space. Glass is 25, a former 6th overall pick who is top 9 type player. 14 goals, 35 points 2 years ago, but a bit of an injury history. Glass for Poulin?
----TOR has both Robertson and DeWar as RFAs, and they are 694K over the cap. They can send Matt Murray to the AHL to get under the cap...but that does nothing for their 2 RFAs. One or both are going to need to be dealt, or someone else needs to be dealt to free up space.
-----EDM has 20 players on its roster and is 354K over the cap. They still need to sign RFAs Holloway and Broberg. Holloway is 22 and a former 14th overall pick who hasn't made an impact yet, but he did manage 5 goals in the playoffs this year (only 4 less than he scored in 89 regular season games over 2 years). Maybe he could be picked up in a trade. Or maybe EDM trades Evander Kane. We could take Kane if EDM retains, or, maybe there is someone else out there who would want Kane at a cheaper price and we get a pick for retaining salary.

3) Dubas reportedly had interest in Oliver Wahlstrom. The Islanders are currently showing a 20 man roster with only 1.062M in cap space and FOUR RFAs to sign, including Wahlstrom. Lamoriello has already said he is open to dealing Wahlstrom, he needs more playing time...but Lou says he's not going to give him away. Wahlstrom is a former 11th overall pick who has 34 goals in 193 NHL games. To me, he's like Puustinen with a great shot, but Wahlstrom has some size and will play a bit physical. Wahlstrom just turned 24.

For me, with all those options, I like Wahlstrom, Robertson, Holloway, and Glass, in that order, as moves I'd like to see Dubas make. We also have the outside shot that Yager makes the team. While it still seems like a long-shot, I also don't like him having to go back to Junior...where I don't think he's going to advance much. Playing against bigger, older competition is a big part of his next step of his development. Since he cannot go to the AHL, if everything else looks good, I'd rather just keep him in the NHL this season and see how he does. He'd be able to go to the AHL next year if he doesn't initially meet expectations.

Yager-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Wahlstrom
Lizotte-Eller-Puljujarvi
x-Acciari, Poulin

That would be an appealing forward group to me. Puustinen and a late pick for Wahlstrom. 5 young guys in the top 12 plus Poulin as a reserve, with Gruden, Ponomarev, Koivunen, Bokondji, Koppanen, Johnstone as first wave of AHL callups at forwards.
You forgot Beauvillier lol. We have too many NHL contracts. I’d love to see Pono make it and Yager and one of Hayes/Eller and Acciari sit. But we have to be realistic with this coach. Hopefully Dubas is still looking for some trades. What happened to “we want to surround Sid with young and hungry players,” and then we go out and trade/sign Hayes, Beauvillier and Gryz? No spots for youngsters
Damn. That's the 2nd or 3rd time I have forgotten about Beauvillier. Tells you how excited I am about him being added. LOL
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Beauvillier-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Yager
Lizotte-Eller-Acciari
Puustinen/Puljujarvi/Bemstrom

Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-Letang
Grzelcyk-St. Ivany
Aho
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cojac wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:11 am
Beauvillier-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Yager
Lizotte-Eller-Acciari
Puustinen/Puljujarvi/Bemstrom

Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-Letang
Grzelcyk-St. Ivany
Aho
That lineup is not going to entice Sid to re-sign here. I kind of like the Beauvillier signing but I think he should be on the 3rd line with OC and Hayes. They need to surround Hayes with speedy wingers if he's going to succeed. This team is screaming for a legit Jake replacement. Highly doubt Yager makes the team out of camp too. We need to trim some fat from the bottom 6. Too many contracts handed out. We are already at 48/50 contracts allowed. I don't think KD is done adding-subtracting from the team.
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KG wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:18 am
cojac wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:11 am
Beauvillier-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
DOC-Hayes-Yager
Lizotte-Eller-Acciari
Puustinen/Puljujarvi/Bemstrom

Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-Letang
Grzelcyk-St. Ivany
Aho
That lineup is not going to entice Sid to re-sign here. I kind of like the Beauvillier signing but I think he should be on the 3rd line with OC and Hayes. They need to surround Hayes with speedy wingers if he's going to succeed. This team is screaming for a legit Jake replacement. Highly doubt Yager makes the team out of camp too. We need to trim some fat from the bottom 6. Too many contracts handed out. We are already at 48/50 contracts allowed. I don't think KD is done adding-subtracting from the team.
It would be nice for the sake of the team if Yager made it, but you are right...very doubtful he does. And if another move isn't made for a true top 6 player, I'd have DOC on the Crosby line, and Beauvillier and Puustinen on the 3rd line.

In terms of fat on the bottom 6, I agree there. I am a little intrigued to see Acciari on the wing instead of center because I know he has traditionally been better there, but, I also wouldn't weep if he was dealt before we got that chance. Nieto I'm hoping never plays another game for us. He didn't look good in his limited time and, a guy coming off major knee surgery typically won't look "back to normal" for another year after he returns. Deal him in a cap dump or bury him in the AHL come January.
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If there is no trade to be made, would you rather take a 1M flyer on a vet like JVR, Pacioretty, Blake Wheeler or Tyler Johnson....or would you rather take a league minimum to 1M flyer on Filip Zadina, Liam Foudy, or Max Comtois?
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Rossi has a new article at the Athletic. Pens and Sid are "closing in" on an extension.
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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:05 am
If there is no trade to be made, would you rather take a 1M flyer on a vet like JVR, Pacioretty, Blake Wheeler or Tyler Johnson....or would you rather take a league minimum to 1M flyer on Filip Zadina, Liam Foudy, or Max Comtois?
None of the above is probably the best answer :D. If I had to pick from the vets listed I would say Pacioretty or Johnson. Pacioretty makes us older and Johnson makes us smaller. Check, check lol.
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I wonder if there is a viable package to somehow bring Ehlers and Rutger McGroarty here from WPG. I've always liked Ehlers' game - he's easily a 50-60 point guy each season (and probably a lot more playing 1LW with 87). He has a 2-year term left that fits the timeline the Pens are looking at.

And McGroarty adds much-needed youth and skill to our pipeline. I know he's a guy whose been reported as wanting a guaranteed spot on the NHL roster, so realistically, he might have to wait a year here with the logjam upfront.

May have to include Yager/Pickering in a trade like this....which kind of goes against Dubas' statements. But something that is intriguing regardless because you're giving Sid a great LW and adding a 20 year old with tons of upside to the organization.
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Coffey Break wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:49 am
I wonder if there is a viable package to somehow bring Ehlers and Rutger McGroarty here from WPG. I've always liked Ehlers' game - he's easily a 50-60 point guy each season (and probably a lot more playing 1LW with 87). He has a 2-year term left that fits the timeline the Pens are looking at.

And McGroarty adds much-needed youth and skill to our pipeline. I know he's a guy whose been reported as wanting a guaranteed spot on the NHL roster, so realistically, he might have to wait a year here with the logjam upfront.

May have to include Yager/Pickering in a trade like this....which kind of goes against Dubas' statements. But something that is intriguing regardless because you're giving Sid a great LW and adding a 20 year old with tons of upside to the organization.
I don't think there is any way Dubas will give up what it costs to get either player, let alone both. Yager vs McGroarty is a coin flip at this point. Different attributes, but neither has played a single NHL game. To get them both, we'd probably need to give up a 1st, DOC, and Yager as a start. Just not feasible for us.
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If anyone is wondering why CapFriendly is still up and operating, I heard from a source over the weekend that the deal is not finalized. The Capitals and CapFriendly had an agreement in principle, but that deal has yet to be completed. Expect CF to remain up and running until that deal is finalized.

At the same time, CF has minimized some of their contributions. If you notice, they are reporting the deals but all of them have the ! symbol and are listed as unconfirmed...because CF isn't doing the leg work to confirm the deals at this point.
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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:05 am
If there is no trade to be made, would you rather take a 1M flyer on a vet like JVR, Pacioretty, Blake Wheeler or Tyler Johnson....or would you rather take a league minimum to 1M flyer on Filip Zadina, Liam Foudy, or Max Comtois?
It's an interesting question. I think if you go with a vet, and they have a rebound season, then they'll either help the Pens get to the playoffs themselves or could fetch a draft pick at the deadline if the Pens are out of it. However, I worry that if they don't rebound, the way this organization and Sullivan seem to work, they won't be scratched or sent to the minors, and the Pens will be stuck with dead weight on the ice every night, and even worse, dead weight that prevents any younger guys from getting a look.

If you go with one of the younger guys who are busts/semi-busts, there's probably less upside, both in terms of helping the team or getting a pick in return for them at the deadline, but there's probably less downside too, since I think they'd be more likely to be scratched/waived, if they aren't cutting it.
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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:03 am
If anyone is wondering why CapFriendly is still up and operating, I heard from a source over the weekend that the deal is not finalized. The Capitals and CapFriendly had an agreement in principle, but that deal has yet to be completed. Expect CF to remain up and running until that deal is finalized.

At the same time, CF has minimized some of their contributions. If you notice, they are reporting the deals but all of them have the ! symbol and are listed as unconfirmed...because CF isn't doing the leg work to confirm the deals at this point.
Yeah, I was curious about this as well. I thought it was supposed to get taken down by the 5th? Hopefully the Caps are backing out due to the negative backlash from CF fans. lol.
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KG wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:39 am
FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:03 am
If anyone is wondering why CapFriendly is still up and operating, I heard from a source over the weekend that the deal is not finalized. The Capitals and CapFriendly had an agreement in principle, but that deal has yet to be completed. Expect CF to remain up and running until that deal is finalized.

At the same time, CF has minimized some of their contributions. If you notice, they are reporting the deals but all of them have the ! symbol and are listed as unconfirmed...because CF isn't doing the leg work to confirm the deals at this point.
Yeah, I was curious about this as well. I thought it was supposed to get taken down by the 5th? Hopefully the Caps are backing out due to the negative backlash from CF fans. lol.
Hopefully, CapFriendly saw the overall backlash and surprise, and realized that maybe if they open up the bidding, they could get a lot more money with more bidders. 8-)
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Re: 2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:05 am
If there is no trade to be made, would you rather take a 1M flyer on a vet like JVR, Pacioretty, Blake Wheeler or Tyler Johnson....or would you rather take a league minimum to 1M flyer on Filip Zadina, Liam Foudy, or Max Comtois?
Going back to when KD said he would be open to another Hayes type of trade where we get paid to take on a contract and seeing what little is out there that fits into out box...

Tampa would love to shed themselves of the last 2 years of Sheary's deal. $2mill AAV. As much as I don't want to see Sheary Part III here, it does kind of make sense if Tampa would attach a high pick/prospect.