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I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
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Nate Clurman with the callup.
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It'll be interesting to see if Clurman sees any NHL ice.

I think short term, they'll play with four lefties, including Shea. Clurman is a RD though. If he plays, one of Graves or Shea is coming out. (We know it won't be Grzelcyk to sit, no matter how bad he plays).

I figure
Pickering - Letang
Grzelcyk - Karlsson
Graves - Shea
xClurman

Is what our top2-3 coach will trot out.
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Rangers team had a closed door meeting about Drury and his way of doing things lately. Supposedly, players are tired of what he's done with Goodrow and Trouba, and he either changes how he does things or lose his position.
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100565 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:54 am
I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
Well, I mean, he is arguably (not any argument to me honestly) the greatest player to ever play the game...
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"During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year."

I was bummed for him that season because he would've won the scoring title but he got hurt. I think Forsberg won it with a shade over 100 points in maybe 10-12 more games played.

Just checked - Forsberg had 106 points in 75 games.
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Pruezy11881 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:44 am
Rangers team had a closed door meeting about Drury and his way of doing things lately. Supposedly, players are tired of what he's done with Goodrow and Trouba, and he either changes how he does things or lose his position.
Interesting. Wonder if Drury gets the boot over this? It's not a good look at all.
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Just to be fair to the Great One, I looked up Gretzky's stats for his age 37 season (97-98), and he had 90 points in 82 games on a pretty bad Rangers team (they finished with 68 points and were 5th in the division).

During Mario's age 37 season, the Pens were also pretty bad, finishing with 65 points, which was also good enough for 5th in the division.

So, Mario has the edge over Gretzky when it comes to producing as a 37-year-old. And Crosby apparently needs 90 points this year to be on par.
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KG wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:51 pm
Pruezy11881 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:44 am
Rangers team had a closed door meeting about Drury and his way of doing things lately. Supposedly, players are tired of what he's done with Goodrow and Trouba, and he either changes how he does things or lose his position.
Interesting. Wonder if Drury gets the boot over this? It's not a good look at all.
I know players have quit on coaches before and got them fired, but has a players' revolt ever led to a GM being canned? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head.
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Would love Sid to get the point-per-game record all to himself. It's going to be close, and the team's play won't do anything to help, but he could at least give it a good run.
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Antonio wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 12:25 pm
100565 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:54 am
I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
Well, I mean, he is arguably (not any argument to me honestly) the greatest player to ever play the game...
Heck ya! He was.

Malkin is on pace for 64 points as a 38 year old. He would be 11-12 highest points for a forward ever. (Oates leads with 82)

Crosby is on pace for 77 points, which would put him at 8th most points for a 37 year old. (Sakic leads with 100)
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Puck-Lurker wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:44 am
It'll be interesting to see if Clurman sees any NHL ice.

I think short term, they'll play with four lefties, including Shea. Clurman is a RD though. If he plays, one of Graves or Shea is coming out. (We know it won't be Grzelcyk to sit, no matter how bad he plays).

I figure
Pickering - Letang
Grzelcyk - Karlsson
Graves - Shea
xClurman

Is what our top2-3 coach will trot out.
I sure hope he doesn’t because he was far and away the worst defenseman in the preseason in the games he played.
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Good on Kakko. That said, he better hope he doesn't get traded here. He can save that quote for Sully...
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100565 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:54 am
I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
So many of Mario's totals seem like typos sometimes when you see them. What?! Wait a minute... is that right? Holy ****.. yeah it is. Wow.
Some of the best examples:
• 2000-2001 Comeback: 43 GP 35 goals 41 assists 76 points...after being retired for three years
• 1992-93 during the winning streak: 51 points over a 16-game stretch
• 1988-89: NINE hat tricks scored that season
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Sams_Dog wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:09 pm
100565 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:54 am
I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
So many of Mario's totals seem like typos sometimes when you see them. What?! Wait a minute... is that right? Holy ****.. yeah it is. Wow.
Some of the best examples:
• 2000-2001 Comeback: 43 GP 35 goals 41 assists 76 points...after being retired for three years
• 1992-93 during the winning streak: 51 points over a 16-game stretch
• 1988-89: NINE hat tricks scored that season
He was, by far, the best player ever. Period.
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Pitts wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:31 pm
Sams_Dog wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:09 pm
100565 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:54 am
I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
So many of Mario's totals seem like typos sometimes when you see them. What?! Wait a minute... is that right? Holy ****.. yeah it is. Wow.
Some of the best examples:
• 2000-2001 Comeback: 43 GP 35 goals 41 assists 76 points...after being retired for three years
• 1992-93 during the winning streak: 51 points over a 16-game stretch
• 1988-89: NINE hat tricks scored that season
He was, by far, the best player ever. Period.
Agreed.
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Antonio wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:54 pm
Pitts wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:31 pm
Sams_Dog wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:09 pm
100565 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:54 am
I was looking at stats from players of certain ages to see how Malkin and Crosby compare when I discovered…

During the 2002-2003 season, while being 37 years old, Lemieux recorded 91 points in only 67 games!! I didn’t realize he was that old that year.
So many of Mario's totals seem like typos sometimes when you see them. What?! Wait a minute... is that right? Holy ****.. yeah it is. Wow.
Some of the best examples:
• 2000-2001 Comeback: 43 GP 35 goals 41 assists 76 points...after being retired for three years
• 1992-93 during the winning streak: 51 points over a 16-game stretch
• 1988-89: NINE hat tricks scored that season
He was, by far, the best player ever. Period.
Agreed.

91 Points in that 2002-03 with guys like Ville Niemenen,Eric Meloche,Tomas Surovy and Michael Sivek as his Wingers.

How about the guys he had as his Line mates his first 4 Years- Warren Young,Terry Ruskowski,aging Charlie Simmer and Wilf Paiement,Dwight Mathiasen.
Put up 100,141,107,and 168 Points those Years.Absorbing more abuse than any Hockey Player this Sport has ever received.
He is with Jim Brown,Wilt Chamberlain and Babe Ruth.No one better.
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Mario Lemieux simply the best, legend, what a joy was to watch him!
If only he was healthier...
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KG wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:27 pm


Good on Kakko. That said, he better hope he doesn't get traded here. He can save that quote for Sully...
You can swap his name with Jesse Puljujärvi and it will be true still.
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Puck-Lurker wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:21 am
KG wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:27 pm


Good on Kakko. That said, he better hope he doesn't get traded here. He can save that quote for Sully...
You can swap his name with Jesse Puljujärvi and it will be true still.
Kakko's 5v5 numbers are far superior to Kreider and Zibanejad...but Kakko was scratched. Can't touch a veteran. Sounds familiar?
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Good article here on the Penguins downfall vs what the Capitals did right to stay relevant and lessen their bottoming out:

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/blue- ... ody-injury
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That story is pretty spot-on. Caps also tended to hold on to their 1st round picks, for the most part, while the Pens gave them away like candy. I wouldn't trade those Cups but now's the time (actually two years ago was the time) to rip off the band-aid and pick up as many picks/prospects as they can.
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ahawk9 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:25 am
That story is pretty spot-on. Caps also tended to hold on to their 1st round picks, for the most part, while the Pens gave them away like candy. I wouldn't trade those Cups but now's the time (actually two years ago was the time) to rip off the band-aid and pick up as many picks/prospects as they can.
Look at what Washington has added the last few years: Dylan Strome, PLD, Mangiapane, Duhaime, Vrana (brought back), Chychrun, Roy and Sandin. 8 players added over the last few years who are all under the age of 30.

The idea of Hextall and Dubas to add 30+ aged player was pure lunacy. Hayes, Acciari, Nieto, Karlsson, Grzelcyk, Petry....the only older player that really worked well here was Eller.
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FLPensFan wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:06 am
Good article here on the Penguins downfall vs what the Capitals did right to stay relevant and lessen their bottoming out:

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/blue- ... ody-injury
Pensburgh also had an article on the Kings rebuild: https://www.pensburgh.com/2024/12/17/24 ... s-rebuild

These are only two examples, and you might argue that neither the Kings nor Caps are TRUE CONTENDERS right now, but I do think it shows that teams can rebuild pretty quickly to being good, solid playoff teams without being bottom 5 in the league for 4-5 years.

And there are teams that seem to be stuck in permanent rebuild mode (Buffalo, Detroit, Columbus, etc.) despite lots of bad seasons and high draft picks.