2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

[stonewizard51]

No assist for Sid now. Still tied with Mario.

[stonewizard51]

My bad. Wrong thread. Sorry about that.

[longtimefan]

You underestimate the value of a player like Acciari to a team trying to win a cup. It's not about whether he scores. Hayes has no value. He's cap space sold for a couple of picks.

I'm judging what I see him do on the ice as well and.. well I'm not seeing it? Certainly not what was advertised when he was signed. Yeah he doesn't necessarily hurt you, but he just kinda does.. nothing.. Poulin has the same problem in my eyes.

If you want to add to your argument about Acciari's negative worth, don't just look at his points production. Add in his possession numbers, and that tells a lot more of the story. You want more proof, here's a tale of two teams standard 4th line deployment:

Team 1:
PlayerA: 36 games, 3 goals, 7 points; 5v5 Corsi% 42.32%, 5v5 shots% 41.95%, 5v5 Scoring Chances% 45.87%
PlayerB: 15 games, 1 goal, 2 points; 5v5 Corsi% 38.24%, 5v5 shots% 39.17%, 5v5 Scoring Chances% 34.55%
PlayerC: 22 games, 4 goals, 7 points; 5v5 Corsi% 48.27%, 5v5 shots% 43.27%, 5v5 Scoring Chances% 48.77%

Team 2:
PlayerX: 37 games, 4 goals, 9 points; 5v5 Corsi% 51.95%, 5v5 shots% 51.06%, 5v5 Scoring Chances 54.98%
PlayerY: 25 games, 1 goal, 5 points; 5v5 Corsi% 52.21%, 5v5 shots% 53.57%, 5v5 Scoring Chances 57.69%
PlayerZ: 18 games, 1 goal, 1 point; 5v5 Corsi% 50.41%, 5v5 shots% 47.79%, 5v5 Scoring Chances 49.52%

Team 1, Penguins; PlayerA Acciari; PlayerB Nieto; PlayerC Hayes
Team 2, Panthers; PlayerX AJ Greer; PlayerY Tomas Nosek; PlayerZ Jonah Gadjovich

Big difference between the Penguins and a strong playoff contender in their 4th lines...and Florida lost A LOT of quality 4th liners after their Cup win last year (Lomberg, Stenlund, Lorentz, Cousins). It's one thing not to produce points. That really shouldn't be a 4th liners role, but, there is an expectation of what they should chip in (5-8 goals; 15-20 points on a good team).

It's another thing to barely produce and constantly be caved in. Florida's 4th line doesn't have any talented scorers, but with their 4th line controls the puck more often than not. They don't get heavily out-chanced and out-shot like our 4th line does. Being a good PK guy is not enough reason to dress a player unless he's an exceptional PK guy. None of Acciari, Nieto, or Hayes are exceptional. Nashville is a horrible team, but the best PK team in the league. Their 2 main 4th liners, McCarron and Sissons both have better Corsi%, Shots%, and Scoring Chances% than Nieto and Acciari...from one of the bottom 3 teams in the league.

I even tried to "prop up" Acciari and Nieto by looking at the last 10 games, where the Penguins have been playing much better with a 6-3-1 record. Nieto and Acciari are actually WORSE than their season numbers over this stretch. Their scoring chances% is in the 20% range for both, and their actual shots% is in the 30-35% range for both players. They are getting crushed over this winning streak. Hayes numbers are the highest of the 3 because he spent more time on the 2nd and 3rd lines early in the season.

The PK has been very good over this period of time. It's very apparent Sullivan is putting too much weight into PK ability. Nieto has 13 minutes of PK time over the last 10 games. He has 76 minutes of even strength time during that period (7 games only for Nieto).

Oh yeah, here's a bonus player....

Player0 - 21 games, 3 goals, 9 points; 5v5 Corsi% 51.17; 5v5 shots% 47.06; 5v5 Scoring Chances 49.17%

Player0 is Jesse Puljujarvi, whose production and possession impact numbers are far and away better than anything we are currently sending over the boards, but Puljujarvi can't touch the ice.

Just more stats. Comparing stats from different teams isn't overly relevant. Especially if you're comparing year to date stats considering how awful the team played to start the season. His cap hits an issue. More so the term. Otherwise, Ill choose to go along with the media members in this case. Time will answer the question.

[FLPensFan]

You underestimate the value of a player like Acciari to a team trying to win a cup. It's not about whether he scores. Hayes has no value. He's cap space sold for a couple of picks.

I'm judging what I see him do on the ice as well and.. well I'm not seeing it? Certainly not what was advertised when he was signed. Yeah he doesn't necessarily hurt you, but he just kinda does.. nothing.. Poulin has the same problem in my eyes.

If you want to add to your argument about Acciari's negative worth, don't just look at his points production. Add in his possession numbers, and that tells a lot more of the story. You want more proof, here's a tale of two teams standard 4th line deployment:

Team 1:
PlayerA: 36 games, 3 goals, 7 points; 5v5 Corsi% 42.32%, 5v5 shots% 41.95%, 5v5 Scoring Chances% 45.87%
PlayerB: 15 games, 1 goal, 2 points; 5v5 Corsi% 38.24%, 5v5 shots% 39.17%, 5v5 Scoring Chances% 34.55%
PlayerC: 22 games, 4 goals, 7 points; 5v5 Corsi% 48.27%, 5v5 shots% 43.27%, 5v5 Scoring Chances% 48.77%

Team 2:
PlayerX: 37 games, 4 goals, 9 points; 5v5 Corsi% 51.95%, 5v5 shots% 51.06%, 5v5 Scoring Chances 54.98%
PlayerY: 25 games, 1 goal, 5 points; 5v5 Corsi% 52.21%, 5v5 shots% 53.57%, 5v5 Scoring Chances 57.69%
PlayerZ: 18 games, 1 goal, 1 point; 5v5 Corsi% 50.41%, 5v5 shots% 47.79%, 5v5 Scoring Chances 49.52%

Team 1, Penguins; PlayerA Acciari; PlayerB Nieto; PlayerC Hayes
Team 2, Panthers; PlayerX AJ Greer; PlayerY Tomas Nosek; PlayerZ Jonah Gadjovich

Big difference between the Penguins and a strong playoff contender in their 4th lines...and Florida lost A LOT of quality 4th liners after their Cup win last year (Lomberg, Stenlund, Lorentz, Cousins). It's one thing not to produce points. That really shouldn't be a 4th liners role, but, there is an expectation of what they should chip in (5-8 goals; 15-20 points on a good team).

It's another thing to barely produce and constantly be caved in. Florida's 4th line doesn't have any talented scorers, but with their 4th line controls the puck more often than not. They don't get heavily out-chanced and out-shot like our 4th line does. Being a good PK guy is not enough reason to dress a player unless he's an exceptional PK guy. None of Acciari, Nieto, or Hayes are exceptional. Nashville is a horrible team, but the best PK team in the league. Their 2 main 4th liners, McCarron and Sissons both have better Corsi%, Shots%, and Scoring Chances% than Nieto and Acciari...from one of the bottom 3 teams in the league.

I even tried to "prop up" Acciari and Nieto by looking at the last 10 games, where the Penguins have been playing much better with a 6-3-1 record. Nieto and Acciari are actually WORSE than their season numbers over this stretch. Their scoring chances% is in the 20% range for both, and their actual shots% is in the 30-35% range for both players. They are getting crushed over this winning streak. Hayes numbers are the highest of the 3 because he spent more time on the 2nd and 3rd lines early in the season.

The PK has been very good over this period of time. It's very apparent Sullivan is putting too much weight into PK ability. Nieto has 13 minutes of PK time over the last 10 games. He has 76 minutes of even strength time during that period (7 games only for Nieto).

Oh yeah, here's a bonus player....

Player0 - 21 games, 3 goals, 9 points; 5v5 Corsi% 51.17; 5v5 shots% 47.06; 5v5 Scoring Chances 49.17%

Player0 is Jesse Puljujarvi, whose production and possession impact numbers are far and away better than anything we are currently sending over the boards, but Puljujarvi can't touch the ice.

Just more stats. Comparing stats from different teams isn't overly relevant. Especially if you're comparing year to date stats considering how awful the team played to start the season. His cap hits an issue. More so the term. Otherwise, Ill choose to go along with the media members in this case. Time will answer the question.

Stats tell a story. I will agree that comparing the Penguins to the Panthers isn't necessarily great, but it shows the disparity. I also showed that Acciari's numbers are actually getting worse during this winning streak. Another example of this:

In pure shots on net at 5v5:
--In 12 games, Acciari has been on the ice for more shots on goal for the Penguins or even shots on goal for both teams
--In 24 games, Acciari has been on the ice for more shots against the Penguins than for the Penguins.
--66% of the time when he's out there, the team is being outshot.
--Even worse....his 6 lowest shots differentials have all come in December.

So this isn't going back to when the Penguins were playing downright horrible. Acciari hasn't been good recently. He's actually gotten worse during this winning streak. Nieto is in the same boat.

Sullivan hasn't done Acciari any favors by playing him more at C than he should be, but, Acciari simply isn't very good. He leads the teams in hits and blocks from the forward group, which is a plus. He's a good (but not great) penalty killer, and he's ok on faceoffs (barely above 50%).

My overall sentiment here is that, with the direction of the team, they'd be better off getting a longer look at someone like Glass, Gruden, or Ponomarev as their 4C. Lizotte has already exceeded my expectations and really doesn't deserve to be saddled with 4th line minutes. 8 goals in 20 games is a 32 goal pace. He won't hit that, but, you are wasting what was a strong start to the season by him. He was playing at a solid 3C clip. Glass hasn't been able to put up many points, but his possession numbers have been great. Sooooooo....one would think adding Glass as your 4C and Puljujarvi as your 4RW would make a ton of sense...except to Sullivan.

I'd try Hayes-Glass-Puljujarvi as my 4th line. Glass and Puljujarvi can help make up for Hayes speed issues, Hayes has only taken about 100 draws, but he's almost at a 60% win rate. Feel free to swap Nieto and Hayes in and out for each other, and then rotate Acciari in for Glass or Puljujarvi...but there is zero need for Hayes, Acciari, or Nieto to be an everyday player on this team....just like there was zero need for Carter to play every game either.

[100565]

I prefer the team to lose this season but that is tough to root for.

Having said that, I have more of an issue with multiple old guys playing.

The Prns have 7-8th best penalty kill in the league - despite subpar goaltending and defense. Acciari has most toi pk per game than anyone followed by (for forwards) Nieto. I am fine with Acciari playing, but think Nieto should be sent to AHL. Dress Pulijarvi. See if Lizotte does well more PK time. Increase DOC PK time as well.

It would be tough to get rid of both Acciati and Nieto due to PK but not unreasonable to get rid of one. Between those two, Nieto is easily the choice.

[FLPensFan]

I prefer the team to lose this season but that is tough to root for.

Having said that, I have more of an issue with multiple old guys playing.

The Prns have 7-8th best penalty kill in the league - despite subpar goaltending and defense. Acciari has most toi pk per game than anyone followed by (for forwards) Nieto. I am fine with Acciari playing, but think Nieto should be sent to AHL. Dress Pulijarvi. See if Lizotte does well more PK time. Increase DOC PK time as well.

It would be tough to get rid of both Acciati and Nieto due to PK but not unreasonable to get rid of one. Between those two, Nieto is easily the choice.

What do you use to judge if a player is a good or bad PK guy? The overall success rate of the pk? That's probably important, but not the best stat to use to judge success. A few of the "excellent" PK players in the league this year:

--Chicago isn't a good team, but their PK is 3rd overall. Teuvo Teravainen has 42 minutes SH TOI. He has yet to be on the ice for a PP goal against.
--Carolina has the 2nd best PK. Jordan Martinook has just under 80 minutes SH TOI. He's been on the ice for 2 whole PP goals.
--Sam Reinhart isn't great defensively on the PK, with a 9.55 GA/60 on the PK, which ranks 99th of 127 players with at least 40 minutes SH TOI...however, Reinhart has 4 SHG this season (leads the league), and has been on the ice for 7 total SHG for Florida.
--Tampa's PK is 13th overall. Brandon Hagel and Anthony Cirelli both have just under 80 minutes SH TOI. They've both been on the ice for 5 SHG for, and 5 PP Goals Against. An even 50% Goals For rating on the PK....the league average is 12.11% GF percentage. DOC and Acciari are at 20%, which is 28th and 30th overall out of 127 players with 40 minutes SH TOI or more.

Acciari is in the top half of PK guys for sure, but I think he's certainly not exceptional. League average of GA/60 for players with 40+ minutes SH TOI is 7.21. Acciari is at 4.99, which ranks 30th out of 127.

Acciari averages just over 2 and a half minutes of SH TOI per game. He's an above average PK, but I see nothing that says our PK drastically changes without Acciari on it, and his 5v5/ES/PP contributions don't provide enough for me to see him dress every night. Same as not dressing a guy who may have a killer shot and be a PP ace, but is poor 5v5/ES. That's a bigger part of the game. Of the players I mentioned above, who are exceptional PK guys...

--Reinhart has 22 goals on the season, 50% at even strength, 7 PP, 4 SH. He's 12th overall in scoring.
--Teravainen has 23 points, 5 PP goals, 2 ES goals
--Martinook has 8 goals, 17 points. All his points are at ES.
--Hagel has 16 goals, 40 points; Cirelli has 14 goals, 32 points

These guys above are not only exceptional on the PK, but even if they weren't on the PK, they are having significant contributions on the ice. PK-ing tends to be overvalued by coaches. It's not rocket science. Low hockey IQ guys likely aren't going to succeed. Weak skaters may or may not have an issue on the PK. Otherwise, PK isn't hard to teach.

[largegarlic]

Just looking at the team stats as we approach the new year and halfway point in the season, and some things stood out to me:

--Beauvillier (9) and Lizotte (8) both have more goals than Malkin (7). I don't think Malkin's been horrible, but that needs to change. And Beauvillier is hardly noticeable a lot of nights but somehow is just about on pace for 20 goals. Maybe someone will want him at the deadline? I didn't think much of the Lizotte addition over the summer, but he actually seems to be a decent 3C and a very good 4C.

--Of the players who have taken more than 100 faceoffs, we have Crosby at 57% (killing it, as usual), Malkin at 42.4% (sucking, as usual), Lizotte at 46.1%, Acciari at 50.8%, and Glass at 50.4%. Hayes is just under that 100 cut off with 92 faceoffs but is at 59.8%. Those numbers might help explain why Acciari, Glass, and Hayes play as much as they do. It seemed like Sullivan kept trotting out Carter's corpse to take important draws even though he had no wheels left, so we know he doesn't like relying on Sid to take every important draw.

--Even though it seems like goaltending has been better of late, Blomqvist is still the only goalie with a save percentage above .900. Jarry is at .885, and Nedjelkovic is at .890. The Pens are 29th in the league in team save percentage at .890, ahead of only Montreal, Columbus, and Philly, and that's with Blomqvist's numbers skewing that save percentage up a bit. It's kind of amazing they're close to a playoff spot (for now) with that level of goaltending when it's not like their skaters are super dominant. Colorado and Vancouver are just ahead of the Pens in save percentage, but they actually do have dominant skaters.

[KG]

According to Grove, the Pens now have the #5 PP. Funny how we said last season that if the Pens PP was just a little better they would have been a playoff team.

Now we have a borderline great PP and top 10 PK but we are last in the league in goals against average. This is a funny sport indeed.

[largegarlic]

According to Grove, the Pens now have the #5 PP. Funny how we said last season that if the Pens PP was just a little better they would have been a playoff team.

Now we have a borderline great PP and top 10 PK but we are last in the league in goals against average. This is a funny sport indeed.

That goes along with what I just posted above. This year, we can say that if they just had average goaltending they'd be a playoff team.

[Antonio]

I mean, yeah, but while the goaltending has been subpar (mainly a certain someone), the defense itself has been atrocious.

[Puck-Lurker]

No Pettersson, Pickering, Letang, that's your top 3 out..

Any time you win with a configuration where you have Karlsson, Graves, Grzelcyk and POJ is your top 4, rounded out by Clurman and Shea) is incredible. That to me is not an NHL defense.

You need some vaguely competent goaltending behind that. And Ned was fine last night.

[DeHaven162]

Just looking at the team stats as we approach the new year and halfway point in the season, and some things stood out to me:

--Beauvillier (9) and Lizotte (8) both have more goals than Malkin (7). I don't think Malkin's been horrible, but that needs to change. And Beauvillier is hardly noticeable a lot of nights but somehow is just about on pace for 20 goals. Maybe someone will want him at the deadline? I didn't think much of the Lizotte addition over the summer, but he actually seems to be a decent 3C and a very good 4C.

--Of the players who have taken more than 100 faceoffs, we have Crosby at 57% (killing it, as usual), Malkin at 42.4% (sucking, as usual), Lizotte at 46.1%, Acciari at 50.8%, and Glass at 50.4%. Hayes is just under that 100 cut off with 92 faceoffs but is at 59.8%. Those numbers might help explain why Acciari, Glass, and Hayes play as much as they do. It seemed like Sullivan kept trotting out Carter's corpse to take important draws even though he had no wheels left, so we know he doesn't like relying on Sid to take every important draw.

--Even though it seems like goaltending has been better of late, Blomqvist is still the only goalie with a save percentage above .900. Jarry is at .885, and Nedjelkovic is at .890. The Pens are 29th in the league in team save percentage at .890, ahead of only Montreal, Columbus, and Philly, and that's with Blomqvist's numbers skewing that save percentage up a bit. It's kind of amazing they're close to a playoff spot (for now) with that level of goaltending when it's not like their skaters are super dominant. Colorado and Vancouver are just ahead of the Pens in save percentage, but they actually do have dominant skaters.

I think Malkin has been horrible, people just don't want to admit it because of who he is, and it's lovable Geno. He started hot for like 2-weeks, and has been abysmal since. The guy just doesn't have it anymore. He's slow, and it causes turnovers constantly. People will say he's been strapped with subpar wingers. I don't buy it. Geno is shot and it's a problem no one is willing to recognize.

[Antonio]

I think Malkin has been horrible, people just don't want to admit it because of who he is, and it's lovable Geno. He started hot for like 2-weeks, and has been abysmal since. The guy just doesn't have it anymore. He's slow, and it causes turnovers constantly. People will say he's been strapped with subpar wingers. I don't buy it. Geno is shot and it's a problem no one is willing to recognize.

Literally every single word of this is true in my opinion. He has been largely terrible all year outside of the gang busters start to the season. He has some point because he has been the 2C and gets the time on the ice to produce but overall, he has played pretty poorly most of the year outside the first couple weeks. It is not "Malkin hate" like so many people who defend him rabidly try to say or accuse others of...it is just where he is now. He is what he is now. Does not take away from his career or greatness but he is not that player any more. While Crosby is also not putting goals up like he used to/should be compared to other guys on the team, he is still mostly driving play in a positive way and producing impactful performances.

[lemieuxReturns]

I think Malkin has been horrible, people just don't want to admit it because of who he is, and it's lovable Geno. He started hot for like 2-weeks, and has been abysmal since. The guy just doesn't have it anymore. He's slow, and it causes turnovers constantly. People will say he's been strapped with subpar wingers. I don't buy it. Geno is shot and it's a problem no one is willing to recognize.

Literally every single word of this is true in my opinion.

Sully, the wonder coach took the wings from Geno when he was getting points in those two first weeks and gave them to Sid. It is the same story every year and it is the same idiots on these boards spouting BS every year. You could replace Geno with Mario and he would not be able to do a damn thing Bunting and DOC on his wings.

[FLPensFan]

Free Puljujarvi....literally....

[DeHaven162]

I think Malkin has been horrible, people just don't want to admit it because of who he is, and it's lovable Geno. He started hot for like 2-weeks, and has been abysmal since. The guy just doesn't have it anymore. He's slow, and it causes turnovers constantly. People will say he's been strapped with subpar wingers. I don't buy it. Geno is shot and it's a problem no one is willing to recognize.

Literally every single word of this is true in my opinion.

Sully, the wonder coach took the wings from Geno when he was getting points in those two first weeks and gave them to Sid. It is the same story every year and it is the same idiots on these boards spouting BS every year. You could replace Geno with Mario and he would not be able to do a damn thing Bunting and DOC on his wings.

So give Malkin the better wingers to prop him up? Again, this has nothing to do with who he's playing with. If you're not able to see Malkin is cooked, you just have Russian Borscht colored glasses on.

[Pens4Life]

Free Puljujarvi....literally....

What the ACTUAL F**K???
Couldnt we get draft pick for him??

I hope he gets claimed and goes on scoring spree, ending with 20 in a season!

[Skatingpen]

This management is a disaster. It took me a while but I am now on the get rid of Sullivan train.

[EndO FanEra]

I think Malkin has been horrible, people just don't want to admit it because of who he is, and it's lovable Geno. He started hot for like 2-weeks, and has been abysmal since. The guy just doesn't have it anymore. He's slow, and it causes turnovers constantly. People will say he's been strapped with subpar wingers. I don't buy it. Geno is shot and it's a problem no one is willing to recognize.

Literally every single word of this is true in my opinion. He has been largely terrible all year outside of the gang busters start to the season. He has some point because he has been the 2C and gets the time on the ice to produce but overall, he has played pretty poorly most of the year outside the first couple weeks. It is not "Malkin hate" like so many people who defend him rabidly try to say or accuse others of...it is just where he is now. He is what he is now. Does not take away from his career or greatness but he is not that player any more. While Crosby is also not putting goals up like he used to/should be compared to other guys on the team, he is still mostly driving play in a positive way and producing impactful performances.

While I agree Geno's play this season has been below expectations (along with a lot of players on the team), $6.1M for a 2C of his caliber doesn't seem all that bad.

I don't know how he matches up to the other 2C's around the league (salary/production/age/etc), but we have been pretty spoiled over the past decade having a #1C at both our 1C and 2C positions.

He needs to play better and more consistent no doubt, but he's way down the list of issues with this team for me. Besides, it's not like we have any other options for 2C. Eller may have been a stopgap, but he's gone. I don't see anyone else on our current roster fitting the bill. Maybe Dubas trades Petterson in a package for JT Miller and moves Geno to wing? Unlikely.

The best we can probably hope for is to upgrade his wingers and hope he can build some chemistry with them.

[EndO FanEra]

Free Puljujarvi....literally....

What the ACTUAL F**K???
Couldnt we get draft pick for him??

I hope he gets claimed and goes on scoring spree, ending with 20 in a season!

That would make me really angry and happy at the same time, lol.

What horrible asset management.

[DelPen]

At least he’s free.

[Wyopen]

This management is a disaster. It took me a while but I am now on the get rid of Sullivan train.

Part of this is KDs fault also. Not that I’m a Sullivan fan, no way.

[lemieuxReturns]

I think Malkin has been horrible, people just don't want to admit it because of who he is, and it's lovable Geno. He started hot for like 2-weeks, and has been abysmal since. The guy just doesn't have it anymore. He's slow, and it causes turnovers constantly. People will say he's been strapped with subpar wingers. I don't buy it. Geno is shot and it's a problem no one is willing to recognize.

Literally every single word of this is true in my opinion.

Sully, the wonder coach took the wings from Geno when he was getting points in those two first weeks and gave them to Sid. It is the same story every year and it is the same idiots on these boards spouting BS every year. You could replace Geno with Mario and he would not be able to do a damn thing Bunting and DOC on his wings.

So give Malkin the better wingers to prop him up? Again, this has nothing to do with who he's playing with. If you're not able to see Malkin is cooked, you just have Russian Borscht colored glasses on.

It is almost as if you just started watching Penguins hockey.

Guess who was struggling before he got Geno's wings?

SID CROSBY! For weeks by the way.



I swear I say the same thing every month, every year for the past 10 years.

The Penguins problem is always the same damn thing.
THEY SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON DEFENSE at the expense of the offense and specifically at the expense of Geno.
Why? Because there is only so much money to go around and what is spent on legit wings is always given to Sid.

[Gunnerfan]

Puljujarvi being put on waivers doesn't deserve much attention in my opinion. I'm happy that he got his life back and his profession, but he's just a guy at this point. No more, no less.

[EndO FanEra]

This management is a disaster. It took me a while but I am now on the get rid of Sullivan train.

Part of this is KDs fault also. Not that I’m a Sullivan fan, no way.

I am a fan of Sullivan as a coach, just not in Pittsburgh any longer. Should have moved on years ago.

I have been trying to give KD a lot of leeway and haven't been very critical up until this point, but I am starting to lose confidence there as well.

We're around 1/2 way through the season, and we've dumped Eller added Tomasino. That's it. That's our retool so far. Not nearly enough, IMO.

I was hoping for more of a "Trader Jim" era to gut some of this team and shake it up a bit, but it seems as though KD is more like "Sleepy" Ron Hextall than a wheeling and dealing Jim Rutherford. This roster needs overhauled, not tweaked.