Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
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Aside from draft picks, what players across the organization would be available for the right price (meaning other organizations would actually want them)?
I started with most likely.
- Pettersson
- Beauvillier
- DOC
- Poulin
- Gruden
- Acciari
- Nieto
- Ned
- Hayes
I started with most likely.
- Pettersson
- Beauvillier
- DOC
- Poulin
- Gruden
- Acciari
- Nieto
- Ned
- Hayes
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What players SHOULD BE available:
Crosby
Malkin
Rust
Letang
Karlsson
Pettersson
Graves
Any Player with last name starting with A-Z
Jarry
Crosby
Malkin
Rust
Letang
Karlsson
Pettersson
Graves
Any Player with last name starting with A-Z
Jarry
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
I'd pull Gruden off the list. I'd also say Nieto and Hayes have almost zero chance of getting traded. Acciari has a good rep as a playoff warrior, so there might be some teams interested.dark_forces wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:07 pmAside from draft picks, what players across the organization would be available for the right price (meaning other organizations would actually want them)?
I started with most likely.
- Pettersson
- Beauvillier
- DOC
- Poulin
- Gruden
- Acciari
- Nieto
- Ned
- Hayes
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Acciari and Hayes (with salary retention) will have some interest.. Nieto can be just waived later in the season..
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It’s past time to trade, waive, or buy out Jarry.
I will donate towards the buy-out.
I will donate towards the buy-out.
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Well GM/POHO/Supreme Intergalactic Emperor MS would need to approve any personnel changes like that.IntangibleBeer wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:21 amIt’s past time to trade, waive, or buy out Jarry.
I will donate towards the buy-out.
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https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2025/01/p ... tiple.html
If we believe Freidman. We have forwards, d men and goalies available! Dubas looking to sell.
If we believe Freidman. We have forwards, d men and goalies available! Dubas looking to sell.
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Yeah, well Emperor Ming needs to get on with it!Antonio wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 12:33 pmWell GM/POHO/Supreme Intergalactic Emperor MS would need to approve any personnel changes like that.IntangibleBeer wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:21 amIt’s past time to trade, waive, or buy out Jarry.
I will donate towards the buy-out.
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Saw an article a little while ago about the Rangers wanting to dump some salary to go after some bigger players (cough, JT Miller and maybe more) to revamp their team. A few players mention that they were looking to "dump" on someone:
--Ryan Lindgren LD (26, UFA, 4.5M cap hit)
--Will Borgen RD (28, UFA, 2.7M cap hit)
--Jimmy Vesey LW (31, UFA, 800K cap hit)
--Jonathan Quick
No interest in Quick with our goalie log jam, but the other 3 I wouldn't mind taking a look at...if we are getting something to take on their contract. Give Borgen a shot at RD the rest of the year and see if he's worth re-signing for 2-3 years at a reasonable price. If we were to move on from Pettersson, Lindgren wouldn't be a bad fill in. Vesey, I really have no interest in but, if the Rangers will give us a 4th just to take his contract...I'm game.
--Ryan Lindgren LD (26, UFA, 4.5M cap hit)
--Will Borgen RD (28, UFA, 2.7M cap hit)
--Jimmy Vesey LW (31, UFA, 800K cap hit)
--Jonathan Quick
No interest in Quick with our goalie log jam, but the other 3 I wouldn't mind taking a look at...if we are getting something to take on their contract. Give Borgen a shot at RD the rest of the year and see if he's worth re-signing for 2-3 years at a reasonable price. If we were to move on from Pettersson, Lindgren wouldn't be a bad fill in. Vesey, I really have no interest in but, if the Rangers will give us a 4th just to take his contract...I'm game.
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Listening to the GM Show with Getzoff. Dubas said the players are going to dictate how he handles managing the trade deadline. I get that, but it would be nice, just once to hear him give Sully some heat. For example these blown leads have been going on for years. Long before KD got here. Nothing changes.
You can only turnover so much of the roster.
He also said he expects the team to continue to add more young players into the roster and lineup. Then how does waiving 26 year old Puljujarvi for 32 year no-knees Nieto help that cause??
You can only turnover so much of the roster.
He also said he expects the team to continue to add more young players into the roster and lineup. Then how does waiving 26 year old Puljujarvi for 32 year no-knees Nieto help that cause??
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--Trade Ned for a pick (3rd/4th)KG wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:14 pmListening to the GM Show with Getzoff. Dubas said the players are going to dictate how he handles managing the trade deadline. I get that, but it would be nice, just once to hear him give Sully some heat. For example these blown leads have been going on for years. Long before KD got here. Nothing changes.
You can only turnover so much of the roster.
He also said he expects the team to continue to add more young players into the roster and lineup. Then how does waiving 26 year old Puljujarvi for 32 year no-knees Nieto help that cause??
--Trade Pettersson and DOC to Vancouver for Hoglander, 2025 2nd and 2027 3rd
--Trade Beauvillier and a 2025 3rd for a 2025 2nd
--Trade 2025 5th (NYR) to Rangers for Will Borgen and 2026 3rd
--Waive Nieto to WBS or hell
--Recall Larsson and Bemstrom
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Hoglander-Malkin-Tomasino
Bunting-Hayes-Puljujarvi
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Glass
x-Acciari
Pickering-Letang
Grzelcyk-Karlsson
POJ-Borgen
x-Graves, Shea
Jarry
Larsson
Draft picks
2025 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 2 thirds
2026 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
2027 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
Use Rakell and/or Bunting over the summer to net either a young NHLer, top prospect, or a 1st rounder (even if you have to throw in a 3rd)
Use multiple 3rds to move up into the 2nd round in respective draft years.
You may wonder why Bemstrom? He's been a force in the AHL. He was just named WBS All-Star rep. He is 14th overall in points in the AHL. He is 5th in the league in shots, and he is just over a point per game player (29 points in 28 games). I have heard Kingerski for a month or more saying he really seemed to have heeded the Penguins development advice, and now Taylor Haase was also singing his praises today. In his 60 AHL games over the last 3 or 4 years, he's never gone without a shot on goal. This year, according to Taylor, he's putting 5-6 shots on goal most games. His shot has always been one of his best attributes, and he's apparently been told to let it rip often, which he is doing. From Kingerski, I've heard he has been relentless on the puck and the forecheck, something he was told he needed to do to more consistently to stay at the NHL level. He deserves another shot, probably above the 4th line...but it's a start.
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I see a lot of people wanting to trade Rakell.
The only positive with this team is watching Sidney Crosby move up the all time lists, and he actually has a small shot at place number 3 overall in points of he is dedicated to play 1 or to seasons more after his current deal ends.
Dubas traded away Crosbys goalscorer Guentzel and Sid was terrible for a good while after that which sealed missing the playoffs.
My point is that Rust, Rakell & Crosby has hit if off and has fun! Would Crosby be happy about trading Rakell and getting some fringe players on his line instead?
I can imagine that Crosbys motivation and enjoyment of the game will drop of a cliff if the Pens get rid of his preferred wingers repeatedly.
And then people will argue "oh keeping Rakell will slow down the rebuild etc"
It will hinder the the rebuild in such a small way that I reckon its more important to keep Crosby happy and productive even if it means we suck one more season or so after Crosby has retired.
In fact, I would go as far load up Crosby line as long as he wants to play at whatever cost for the rebuild, Sid has earned it. And fans will remember Crosby cementing his name on the all time lists much more than a lousy 1st or 2nd round exit some year after Sid has retired which could be accomplished by trading away Sids linemates atm.
There will never be a Crosby again, lets make his career and productivity priority as long as he wants to play, I dont think people realize how boring it will be to not have a top 10 all time player on the team shattering records!
The only positive with this team is watching Sidney Crosby move up the all time lists, and he actually has a small shot at place number 3 overall in points of he is dedicated to play 1 or to seasons more after his current deal ends.
Dubas traded away Crosbys goalscorer Guentzel and Sid was terrible for a good while after that which sealed missing the playoffs.
My point is that Rust, Rakell & Crosby has hit if off and has fun! Would Crosby be happy about trading Rakell and getting some fringe players on his line instead?
I can imagine that Crosbys motivation and enjoyment of the game will drop of a cliff if the Pens get rid of his preferred wingers repeatedly.
And then people will argue "oh keeping Rakell will slow down the rebuild etc"
It will hinder the the rebuild in such a small way that I reckon its more important to keep Crosby happy and productive even if it means we suck one more season or so after Crosby has retired.
In fact, I would go as far load up Crosby line as long as he wants to play at whatever cost for the rebuild, Sid has earned it. And fans will remember Crosby cementing his name on the all time lists much more than a lousy 1st or 2nd round exit some year after Sid has retired which could be accomplished by trading away Sids linemates atm.
There will never be a Crosby again, lets make his career and productivity priority as long as he wants to play, I dont think people realize how boring it will be to not have a top 10 all time player on the team shattering records!
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I think one of Rust or Rakell need to go in order to gain assets to use towards the rebuild. My gut says Rust will be the one that stays here, and maybe retires a Penguin. He's been very consistent output wise....he has 5 straight 20+ goal seasons, with 2 years approaching 30 goals. He's good 5v5, he's on the PP, he PKs. I think Rust is the new Guentzel for Crosby, and as long as Sullivan is here, I think Rust is safe and protected. Teams were interested in him last year, specifically Detroit for one. He loses his trade protection this year.Lesky wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:13 amI see a lot of people wanting to trade Rakell.
The only positive with this team is watching Sidney Crosby move up the all time lists, and he actually has a small shot at place number 3 overall in points of he is dedicated to play 1 or to seasons more after his current deal ends.
Dubas traded away Crosbys goalscorer Guentzel and Sid was terrible for a good while after that which sealed missing the playoffs.
My point is that Rust, Rakell & Crosby has hit if off and has fun! Would Crosby be happy about trading Rakell and getting some fringe players on his line instead?
I can imagine that Crosbys motivation and enjoyment of the game will drop of a cliff if the Pens get rid of his preferred wingers repeatedly.
And then people will argue "oh keeping Rakell will slow down the rebuild etc"
It will hinder the the rebuild in such a small way that I reckon its more important to keep Crosby happy and productive even if it means we suck one more season or so after Crosby has retired.
In fact, I would go as far load up Crosby line as long as he wants to play at whatever cost for the rebuild, Sid has earned it. And fans will remember Crosby cementing his name on the all time lists much more than a lousy 1st or 2nd round exit some year after Sid has retired which could be accomplished by trading away Sids linemates atm.
There will never be a Crosby again, lets make his career and productivity priority as long as he wants to play, I dont think people realize how boring it will be to not have a top 10 all time player on the team shattering records!
I want to see Crosby get as high as he can, but, I'm not keen to sacrificing the effectiveness of the team just to placate Crosby. We're already doing that for the core, trying to have them all retire as lifelong Penguins...which is delaying the much needed rebuild.
Rakell is 31. Rust is 32. Both have birthdays in May. Both have 3 more years left on their deal. Selling high on an about to be 32 year old player is the smart move. He's on pace to have have his best goal scoring season every, and come within a few points of his career high 69 points. The odds are highly against you that he's going to repeat this level of production again over the next 3 years.
If there is someone that comes knocking for Rakell or Rust at the trade deadline, or makes a solid offer over the summer...Dubas would be an idiot to pass on a deal. Make a team pay for him. Let's say Vancouver lost out on Pettersson but wanted Rakell. Make them give you either a Hoglander or a Lekkerimaki as part of the deal. Get a good young player who has top 6 potential.
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Just looking a bit more on Rakell....Calgary may be a good fit. Calgary has the most cap space in the NHL right now, and desperately needs help scoring goals. They are fighting for a WC spot.
If I'm Dubas, I offer up Rakell and Nedeljkovic (they could use some goalie depth) for RD Zayne Parekh and a 2025 2nd round pick. Parekh is seen as an offensive juggernaut from the blue line, a potential 70 point player from RD spot. One scouting report said "A good comparison for Parekh is a mix of Cale Makar, Adam Fox, and Quinn Hughes. His skating ability is reminiscent of both Makar and Hughes, while his offensive skillset is comparable to all three current NHLers."
You want a quick turnaround....having Parekh and Brunicke down your RD, with Pickering on the left side is a good start on the back end.
If I'm Dubas, I offer up Rakell and Nedeljkovic (they could use some goalie depth) for RD Zayne Parekh and a 2025 2nd round pick. Parekh is seen as an offensive juggernaut from the blue line, a potential 70 point player from RD spot. One scouting report said "A good comparison for Parekh is a mix of Cale Makar, Adam Fox, and Quinn Hughes. His skating ability is reminiscent of both Makar and Hughes, while his offensive skillset is comparable to all three current NHLers."
You want a quick turnaround....having Parekh and Brunicke down your RD, with Pickering on the left side is a good start on the back end.
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I could see these moves happening. I like the Borgen move—that would be sneaky good.FLPensFan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:13 pm--Trade Ned for a pick (3rd/4th)KG wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:14 pmListening to the GM Show with Getzoff. Dubas said the players are going to dictate how he handles managing the trade deadline. I get that, but it would be nice, just once to hear him give Sully some heat. For example these blown leads have been going on for years. Long before KD got here. Nothing changes.
You can only turnover so much of the roster.
He also said he expects the team to continue to add more young players into the roster and lineup. Then how does waiving 26 year old Puljujarvi for 32 year no-knees Nieto help that cause??
--Trade Pettersson and DOC to Vancouver for Hoglander, 2025 2nd and 2027 3rd
--Trade Beauvillier and a 2025 3rd for a 2025 2nd
--Trade 2025 5th (NYR) to Rangers for Will Borgen and 2026 3rd
--Waive Nieto to WBS or hell
--Recall Larsson and Bemstrom
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Hoglander-Malkin-Tomasino
Bunting-Hayes-Puljujarvi
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Glass
x-Acciari
Pickering-Letang
Grzelcyk-Karlsson
POJ-Borgen
x-Graves, Shea
Jarry
Larsson
Draft picks
2025 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 2 thirds
2026 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
2027 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
Use Rakell and/or Bunting over the summer to net either a young NHLer, top prospect, or a 1st rounder (even if you have to throw in a 3rd)
Use multiple 3rds to move up into the 2nd round in respective draft years.
You may wonder why Bemstrom? He's been a force in the AHL. He was just named WBS All-Star rep. He is 14th overall in points in the AHL. He is 5th in the league in shots, and he is just over a point per game player (29 points in 28 games). I have heard Kingerski for a month or more saying he really seemed to have heeded the Penguins development advice, and now Taylor Haase was also singing his praises today. In his 60 AHL games over the last 3 or 4 years, he's never gone without a shot on goal. This year, according to Taylor, he's putting 5-6 shots on goal most games. His shot has always been one of his best attributes, and he's apparently been told to let it rip often, which he is doing. From Kingerski, I've heard he has been relentless on the puck and the forecheck, something he was told he needed to do to more consistently to stay at the NHL level. He deserves another shot, probably above the 4th line...but it's a start.
I also think Ned is moveable with one year left, though I could see him moving on over the summer when teams are looking for backup/split duty goalies.
Where do you think St. Ivany stands with the organization? If a team came calling, would you make him available?
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St Ivany as part of a trade that makes the future of this team better. Yes I would part with him. If there's not something concrete to compensate, keep for depth.dark_forces wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:04 pmI could see these moves happening. I like the Borgen move—that would be sneaky good.FLPensFan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:13 pm--Trade Ned for a pick (3rd/4th)KG wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:14 pmListening to the GM Show with Getzoff. Dubas said the players are going to dictate how he handles managing the trade deadline. I get that, but it would be nice, just once to hear him give Sully some heat. For example these blown leads have been going on for years. Long before KD got here. Nothing changes.
You can only turnover so much of the roster.
He also said he expects the team to continue to add more young players into the roster and lineup. Then how does waiving 26 year old Puljujarvi for 32 year no-knees Nieto help that cause??
--Trade Pettersson and DOC to Vancouver for Hoglander, 2025 2nd and 2027 3rd
--Trade Beauvillier and a 2025 3rd for a 2025 2nd
--Trade 2025 5th (NYR) to Rangers for Will Borgen and 2026 3rd
--Waive Nieto to WBS or hell
--Recall Larsson and Bemstrom
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Hoglander-Malkin-Tomasino
Bunting-Hayes-Puljujarvi
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Glass
x-Acciari
Pickering-Letang
Grzelcyk-Karlsson
POJ-Borgen
x-Graves, Shea
Jarry
Larsson
Draft picks
2025 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 2 thirds
2026 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
2027 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
Use Rakell and/or Bunting over the summer to net either a young NHLer, top prospect, or a 1st rounder (even if you have to throw in a 3rd)
Use multiple 3rds to move up into the 2nd round in respective draft years.
You may wonder why Bemstrom? He's been a force in the AHL. He was just named WBS All-Star rep. He is 14th overall in points in the AHL. He is 5th in the league in shots, and he is just over a point per game player (29 points in 28 games). I have heard Kingerski for a month or more saying he really seemed to have heeded the Penguins development advice, and now Taylor Haase was also singing his praises today. In his 60 AHL games over the last 3 or 4 years, he's never gone without a shot on goal. This year, according to Taylor, he's putting 5-6 shots on goal most games. His shot has always been one of his best attributes, and he's apparently been told to let it rip often, which he is doing. From Kingerski, I've heard he has been relentless on the puck and the forecheck, something he was told he needed to do to more consistently to stay at the NHL level. He deserves another shot, probably above the 4th line...but it's a start.
I also think Ned is moveable with one year left, though I could see him moving on over the summer when teams are looking for backup/split duty goalies.
Where do you think St. Ivany stands with the organization? If a team came calling, would you make him available?
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For me, trading guys like Rust and Rakell is kind of the difference between a soft rebuild and hard rebuild. It's clear the Pens are rebuilding. They're not spending significant assets to bring in any new players. And I think it's clear they're looking to trade any pending UFAs with value. We've seen that already with Guentzel and Eller, and everything points to Pettersson following them out the door. I'd bet they'd also be fine moving O'Conner, Beauvillier, and Grzelcyk too, if a decent offer comes up. Just moving those pending UFAs is what I mean by a soft rebuild.
Guys like Rakell, Rust, or even Bunting are playing well and are signed past this season. I could see them being attractive to playoff teams. However, the Pens have Crosby for a few more seasons and Malkin for probably one more. Are they willing to let those guys play out their last few years with unproven young guys and/or cheap UFA reclamation projects (e.g, Beauvillier) as their wingers? Maybe they could get 1st-rounders for Rakell and Rust and maybe a 2nd for Bunting. Doing that and letting Crosby and Malkin play with crappy linemates is what I mean by a hard rebuild...selling anyone of value outside the core 3 to stockpile as many picks as possible. (I suppose the hardest rebuild would involve trading from the core.)
My sense is that Dubas prefers the former option.
Guys like Rakell, Rust, or even Bunting are playing well and are signed past this season. I could see them being attractive to playoff teams. However, the Pens have Crosby for a few more seasons and Malkin for probably one more. Are they willing to let those guys play out their last few years with unproven young guys and/or cheap UFA reclamation projects (e.g, Beauvillier) as their wingers? Maybe they could get 1st-rounders for Rakell and Rust and maybe a 2nd for Bunting. Doing that and letting Crosby and Malkin play with crappy linemates is what I mean by a hard rebuild...selling anyone of value outside the core 3 to stockpile as many picks as possible. (I suppose the hardest rebuild would involve trading from the core.)
My sense is that Dubas prefers the former option.
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Yeah, I don't see St. Ivany as anything special. He looked really good last season, and then this year, he was struggling. Not sure if he can get back to being a solid 3rd pairing d-man, but there are likely other options available.Puck-Lurker wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:41 pmSt Ivany as part of a trade that makes the future of this team better. Yes I would part with him. If there's not something concrete to compensate, keep for depth.dark_forces wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:04 pmI could see these moves happening. I like the Borgen move—that would be sneaky good.FLPensFan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:13 pm--Trade Ned for a pick (3rd/4th)KG wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:14 pmListening to the GM Show with Getzoff. Dubas said the players are going to dictate how he handles managing the trade deadline. I get that, but it would be nice, just once to hear him give Sully some heat. For example these blown leads have been going on for years. Long before KD got here. Nothing changes.
You can only turnover so much of the roster.
He also said he expects the team to continue to add more young players into the roster and lineup. Then how does waiving 26 year old Puljujarvi for 32 year no-knees Nieto help that cause??
--Trade Pettersson and DOC to Vancouver for Hoglander, 2025 2nd and 2027 3rd
--Trade Beauvillier and a 2025 3rd for a 2025 2nd
--Trade 2025 5th (NYR) to Rangers for Will Borgen and 2026 3rd
--Waive Nieto to WBS or hell
--Recall Larsson and Bemstrom
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Hoglander-Malkin-Tomasino
Bunting-Hayes-Puljujarvi
Bemstrom-Lizotte-Glass
x-Acciari
Pickering-Letang
Grzelcyk-Karlsson
POJ-Borgen
x-Graves, Shea
Jarry
Larsson
Draft picks
2025 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 2 thirds
2026 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
2027 - 1 first, 2 seconds, 3 thirds
Use Rakell and/or Bunting over the summer to net either a young NHLer, top prospect, or a 1st rounder (even if you have to throw in a 3rd)
Use multiple 3rds to move up into the 2nd round in respective draft years.
You may wonder why Bemstrom? He's been a force in the AHL. He was just named WBS All-Star rep. He is 14th overall in points in the AHL. He is 5th in the league in shots, and he is just over a point per game player (29 points in 28 games). I have heard Kingerski for a month or more saying he really seemed to have heeded the Penguins development advice, and now Taylor Haase was also singing his praises today. In his 60 AHL games over the last 3 or 4 years, he's never gone without a shot on goal. This year, according to Taylor, he's putting 5-6 shots on goal most games. His shot has always been one of his best attributes, and he's apparently been told to let it rip often, which he is doing. From Kingerski, I've heard he has been relentless on the puck and the forecheck, something he was told he needed to do to more consistently to stay at the NHL level. He deserves another shot, probably above the 4th line...but it's a start.
I also think Ned is moveable with one year left, though I could see him moving on over the summer when teams are looking for backup/split duty goalies.
Where do you think St. Ivany stands with the organization? If a team came calling, would you make him available?
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
I see your point, but, the flip side of that is if you hold onto Rust and Rakell for 2 more years, the assets you get in return are going to be negligible. So, are you rebuilding and stockpiling assets, or is Dubas still under the crazy notion that we are competing. I don't think they should sell off all of Rust, Rakell, and Bunting....but, if the Penguins could get a good, solid young player that can help out today (top 9 forward with strong shot at being at least a 2nd line winger, or a top 4 d-man), I think you need to move someone like Rakell and take the solid asset.largegarlic wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:49 pmFor me, trading guys like Rust and Rakell is kind of the difference between a soft rebuild and hard rebuild. It's clear the Pens are rebuilding. They're not spending significant assets to bring in any new players. And I think it's clear they're looking to trade any pending UFAs with value. We've seen that already with Guentzel and Eller, and everything points to Pettersson following them out the door. I'd bet they'd also be fine moving O'Conner, Beauvillier, and Grzelcyk too, if a decent offer comes up. Just moving those pending UFAs is what I mean by a soft rebuild.
Guys like Rakell, Rust, or even Bunting are playing well and are signed past this season. I could see them being attractive to playoff teams. However, the Pens have Crosby for a few more seasons and Malkin for probably one more. Are they willing to let those guys play out their last few years with unproven young guys and/or cheap UFA reclamation projects (e.g, Beauvillier) as their wingers? Maybe they could get 1st-rounders for Rakell and Rust and maybe a 2nd for Bunting. Doing that and letting Crosby and Malkin play with crappy linemates is what I mean by a hard rebuild...selling anyone of value outside the core 3 to stockpile as many picks as possible. (I suppose the hardest rebuild would involve trading from the core.)
My sense is that Dubas prefers the former option.
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
On a recent "Tip of the Iceberg" podcast, the hosts spent a segment talking about acquiring Zegras, why, what it would take, etc. I know it's come up before, but what does the board think of a move like this, and what do you think it would cost to acquire him?FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:53 pmI see your point, but, the flip side of that is if you hold onto Rust and Rakell for 2 more years, the assets you get in return are going to be negligible. So, are you rebuilding and stockpiling assets, or is Dubas still under the crazy notion that we are competing. I don't think they should sell off all of Rust, Rakell, and Bunting....but, if the Penguins could get a good, solid young player that can help out today (top 9 forward with strong shot at being at least a 2nd line winger, or a top 4 d-man), I think you need to move someone like Rakell and take the solid asset.largegarlic wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:49 pmFor me, trading guys like Rust and Rakell is kind of the difference between a soft rebuild and hard rebuild. It's clear the Pens are rebuilding. They're not spending significant assets to bring in any new players. And I think it's clear they're looking to trade any pending UFAs with value. We've seen that already with Guentzel and Eller, and everything points to Pettersson following them out the door. I'd bet they'd also be fine moving O'Conner, Beauvillier, and Grzelcyk too, if a decent offer comes up. Just moving those pending UFAs is what I mean by a soft rebuild.
Guys like Rakell, Rust, or even Bunting are playing well and are signed past this season. I could see them being attractive to playoff teams. However, the Pens have Crosby for a few more seasons and Malkin for probably one more. Are they willing to let those guys play out their last few years with unproven young guys and/or cheap UFA reclamation projects (e.g, Beauvillier) as their wingers? Maybe they could get 1st-rounders for Rakell and Rust and maybe a 2nd for Bunting. Doing that and letting Crosby and Malkin play with crappy linemates is what I mean by a hard rebuild...selling anyone of value outside the core 3 to stockpile as many picks as possible. (I suppose the hardest rebuild would involve trading from the core.)
My sense is that Dubas prefers the former option.
I could see a player like this being a target.
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
Yeah, I think I'd favor moving Rakell too, if a good offer came in, but I'm just saying I suspect Dubas might see it differently.FLPensFan wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:53 pmI see your point, but, the flip side of that is if you hold onto Rust and Rakell for 2 more years, the assets you get in return are going to be negligible. So, are you rebuilding and stockpiling assets, or is Dubas still under the crazy notion that we are competing. I don't think they should sell off all of Rust, Rakell, and Bunting....but, if the Penguins could get a good, solid young player that can help out today (top 9 forward with strong shot at being at least a 2nd line winger, or a top 4 d-man), I think you need to move someone like Rakell and take the solid asset.largegarlic wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:49 pmFor me, trading guys like Rust and Rakell is kind of the difference between a soft rebuild and hard rebuild. It's clear the Pens are rebuilding. They're not spending significant assets to bring in any new players. And I think it's clear they're looking to trade any pending UFAs with value. We've seen that already with Guentzel and Eller, and everything points to Pettersson following them out the door. I'd bet they'd also be fine moving O'Conner, Beauvillier, and Grzelcyk too, if a decent offer comes up. Just moving those pending UFAs is what I mean by a soft rebuild.
Guys like Rakell, Rust, or even Bunting are playing well and are signed past this season. I could see them being attractive to playoff teams. However, the Pens have Crosby for a few more seasons and Malkin for probably one more. Are they willing to let those guys play out their last few years with unproven young guys and/or cheap UFA reclamation projects (e.g, Beauvillier) as their wingers? Maybe they could get 1st-rounders for Rakell and Rust and maybe a 2nd for Bunting. Doing that and letting Crosby and Malkin play with crappy linemates is what I mean by a hard rebuild...selling anyone of value outside the core 3 to stockpile as many picks as possible. (I suppose the hardest rebuild would involve trading from the core.)
My sense is that Dubas prefers the former option.
My other point is that I'm not sure about there just being a rebuild vs. compete dichotomy. I think it might be more of a compete vs. soft rebuild vs. hard rebuild trichotomy (I wasn't sure trichotomy was a word, but it's not flagged as misspelled).
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
I say trade everyone except Sid, Geno, Rust, Rakell and Letang,if offer is good. Not that I wouldnt mind trading Letang actually, but lets face it, Geno and Kris will be Pens4Life heh..
Among AHLers I dont want to lose Broz, McGroarty, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Blomquist, Larsson and of course ECHL star Murashov!
Among AHLers I dont want to lose Broz, McGroarty, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Blomquist, Larsson and of course ECHL star Murashov!
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
Something to consider regarding Rakell is he is shooting a career high 19.8 shot percentage this season.
His career average is 11.8%. Career year for him. He’s turning 32 in a few months. Could be a potential to sell high here.
His career average is 11.8%. Career year for him. He’s turning 32 in a few months. Could be a potential to sell high here.
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
I could not move Rakell fast enough this year with his current 40g 75p pace.
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Re: Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?
For a great offer, I'd ship out one of Rust or Rakell. Preferably Rakell of the two. Goal is to get younger and those are two high quality 30+ veterans with term on reasonable contracts. There is a market for those guys, but you need a really good return to justify moving either off Crosby's point machine.
Good young player, good prospect, good pick.. in that order is what Dubas wants. Taking in a 1st rounder, sending back something like a 3rd, maybe get a good defensive prospect and send something meaningless to make contracts work.. some forward named Matt or Noel..
There are definitely scenarios where you send one of them out to build the team.
Good young player, good prospect, good pick.. in that order is what Dubas wants. Taking in a 1st rounder, sending back something like a 3rd, maybe get a good defensive prospect and send something meaningless to make contracts work.. some forward named Matt or Noel..
There are definitely scenarios where you send one of them out to build the team.