Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[Cow_Master66]

Just my opinion, but not listening to offers on any and all players is bad business. It's stupid, but bad business is a more friendly way to put it. Trading "one of Rust or Rachel" is still a soft rebuild. Unless you're moving your most valuable assets, you're continuing to kick the can down the road.

Obviously the elder 3 aren't gonna be moved, so nothing this team does over the next 3 seasons will be an actual rebuild. Also, since they won't be moved, the team should be selling high (and sometimes low) on as many assets as they can for futures (picks 2-3 years down the road is completely fine).

[Puck-Lurker]

Just my opinion, but not listening to offers on any and all players is bad business. It's stupid, but bad business is a more friendly way to put it. Trading "one of Rust or Rachel" is still a soft rebuild. Unless you're moving your most valuable assets, you're continuing to kick the can down the road.

Obviously the elder 3 aren't gonna be moved, so nothing this team does over the next 3 seasons will be an actual rebuild. Also, since they won't be moved, the team should be selling high (and sometimes low) on as many assets as they can for futures (picks 2-3 years down the road is completely fine).

I hear you, kind of half agree with you. Not sure what it looks like when we trade away both our top wingers.

Assuming Tomasino gets resigned..

Beauvillier-Crosby-Tomasino
Bunting-Malkin-Glass

I'm.. not sure this is functional. You'd need to invest in picking up replacements in FA. But if both are traded, I'm fine. Don't think it's going to happen.

[FLPensFan]

Just my opinion, but not listening to offers on any and all players is bad business. It's stupid, but bad business is a more friendly way to put it. Trading "one of Rust or Rachel" is still a soft rebuild. Unless you're moving your most valuable assets, you're continuing to kick the can down the road.

Obviously the elder 3 aren't gonna be moved, so nothing this team does over the next 3 seasons will be an actual rebuild. Also, since they won't be moved, the team should be selling high (and sometimes low) on as many assets as they can for futures (picks 2-3 years down the road is completely fine).

I hear you, kind of half agree with you. Not sure what it looks like when we trade away both our top wingers.

Assuming Tomasino gets resigned..

Beauvillier-Crosby-Tomasino
Bunting-Malkin-Glass

I'm.. not sure this is functional. You'd need to invest in picking up replacements in FA. But if both are traded, I'm fine. Don't think it's going to happen.

I think the team would get another asset in a trade, for example, Hoglander plus for Rakell. Or something similar where they have a young body coming back that might be a top 6 player. Then they make some additions in the UFA market over the summer.

I'm also still on board for an offer sheet to Wyatt Johnston this summer as well, but have little confidence Dubas would be that aggressive. Beauvillier, Tomasino, and Glass are bottom 6 players. Maybe they get lucky and one of them forces their way into a top 6 role, but too early to predict.

From my viewpoint, I'd move on from Rakell and Bunting if the offers were acceptable. What if

McGroarty-Crosby-Rust
Hoglander-Malkin-Tomasino
DOC-Hayes/Lizotte-Puljujarvi
Nieto-Glass-Acciari

Not sold on Hoglander being the guy, but, just using it as an example. McGroarty doesn't have to be the guy there either...maybe it's Broz, but, bring up a young guy to end the season and start doing some of that "the core leads by example for young guys."

[Antonio]

Just my opinion, but not listening to offers on any and all players is bad business. It's stupid, but bad business is a more friendly way to put it. Trading "one of Rust or Rachel" is still a soft rebuild. Unless you're moving your most valuable assets, you're continuing to kick the can down the road.

Obviously the elder 3 aren't gonna be moved, so nothing this team does over the next 3 seasons will be an actual rebuild. Also, since they won't be moved, the team should be selling high (and sometimes low) on as many assets as they can for futures (picks 2-3 years down the road is completely fine).

I hear you, kind of half agree with you. Not sure what it looks like when we trade away both our top wingers.

Assuming Tomasino gets resigned..

Beauvillier-Crosby-Tomasino
Bunting-Malkin-Glass

I'm.. not sure this is functional. You'd need to invest in picking up replacements in FA. But if both are traded, I'm fine. Don't think it's going to happen.

Well in fairness we only play Glass on the 2nd line because the moron behind the bench thinks that is a good idea. A real coach would not be playing him there.

[Sigwolf]

Just my opinion, but not listening to offers on any and all players is bad business. It's stupid, but bad business is a more friendly way to put it. Trading "one of Rust or Rachel" is still a soft rebuild. Unless you're moving your most valuable assets, you're continuing to kick the can down the road.

Obviously the elder 3 aren't gonna be moved, so nothing this team does over the next 3 seasons will be an actual rebuild. Also, since they won't be moved, the team should be selling high (and sometimes low) on as many assets as they can for futures (picks 2-3 years down the road is completely fine).

I hear you, kind of half agree with you. Not sure what it looks like when we trade away both our top wingers.

Assuming Tomasino gets resigned..

Beauvillier-Crosby-Tomasino
Bunting-Malkin-Glass

I'm.. not sure this is functional. You'd need to invest in picking up replacements in FA. But if both are traded, I'm fine. Don't think it's going to happen.

Well in fairness we only play Glass on the 2nd line because the moron behind the bench thinks that is a good idea. A real coach would not be playing him there.

I don't think any other coach in the league, or AHL, or high school club coach that was handed an NHL team, would think Glass belongs anywhere near the top six on an NHL roster. That is on Sullivan alone. Only he would think someone with one goal in 32 games this season should be stapled into getting top line minutes. 30 total career goals in what is now his 6th partial or complete season. He has done, and likely never will do, anything to indicate he is a top six NHL player. That is not to say he is not a credible NHL player and has no place on the roster, but you have to have a coach smart enough to use players in the correct way, and at the very least be willing to rotate them when situations necessitate moving players up. Maybe give young, unproven players a chance for a few games, eh? You know, ones that haven't already pretty much established their ceiling?

Sullivan just picks his favorites, and when a situation arises to fill a hole in the roster, he cements that favorite in the whole... results be damned.

[Dynasty1970]

FIRE SULLIVAN!!!!! Finally!

[Pens4Life]

Fire Sullivan! Finally even if its 45 games into season already!

We are now 12th with 3 games more than all three teams in front of us - Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit.. 2 points behind 8th spot

Coaches got fired left and right, with better results, just Pens are stubborn as hell with FSG petboy..

Fire Sully, get some vets off the team, rebalance the team a bit with more youth, make 2-3 trades and see where it takes us.. cant be worse than 12th

[pekkasteele]

I don't know why we are still pretending to have a shot at ANYTHING right now, I would be fine with this:

Bemström - Crosby - Koivonen
McGroarty - Malkin - Tomasino
Poulin - Ponomarev - Puljujärvi
A Hayes - Broz - Gruden

Pickering - Letang
POJ - Shea
Whoever 1 - Whoever 2

Larsson
Blomqvist

Trade everything else for picks, I don't care, Tell the core they can be traded if they want, or, if they really want to leave a legacy for the future, do what Mario did for Sid and be the elder support for whoever we draft, in top 5 this and next year, and all others that we might draft with picks we acquire now.

At least, I think this lineup would have some fight in them, and I rather se them lose, than the OG-club team we have now.

And, FIRE SULLY.

[Puck-Lurker]

I don't know why we are still pretending to have a shot at ANYTHING right now, I would be fine with this:

Bemström - Crosby - Koivonen
McGroarty - Malkin - Tomasino
Poulin - Ponomarev - Puljujärvi
A Hayes - Broz - Gruden

Pickering - Letang
POJ - Shea
Whoever 1 - Whoever 2

Larsson
Blomqvist

Trade everything else for picks, I don't care, Tell the core they can be traded if they want, or, if they really want to leave a legacy for the future, do what Mario did for Sid and be the elder support for whoever we draft, in top 5 this and next year, and all others that we might draft with picks we acquire now.

At least, I think this lineup would have some fight in them, and I rather se them lose, than the OG-club team we have now.

And, FIRE SULLY.

Avery Hayes would need an NHL contract first. And you couldn't trade and or dump everything, not everyone would find a place elsewhere. I get the sentiment, be nice to start seeing prospects over garbage.

Though that roster is a sure bet for a top 3 pick.

[pekkasteele]

I don't know why we are still pretending to have a shot at ANYTHING right now, I would be fine with this:

Bemström - Crosby - Koivonen
McGroarty - Malkin - Tomasino
Poulin - Ponomarev - Puljujärvi
A Hayes - Broz - Gruden

Pickering - Letang
POJ - Shea
Whoever 1 - Whoever 2

Larsson
Blomqvist

Trade everything else for picks, I don't care, Tell the core they can be traded if they want, or, if they really want to leave a legacy for the future, do what Mario did for Sid and be the elder support for whoever we draft, in top 5 this and next year, and all others that we might draft with picks we acquire now.

At least, I think this lineup would have some fight in them, and I rather se them lose, than the OG-club team we have now.

And, FIRE SULLY.

Avery Hayes would need an NHL contract first. And you couldn't trade and or dump everything, not everyone would find a place elsewhere. I get the sentiment, be nice to start seeing prospects over garbage.

Though that roster is a sure bet for a top 3 pick.

Yea I know it would not work out in many ways, like, we would be under the cap-floor to I think, but it is what I feel right now, the small thinkering to "stay competitive and rebuild". Right now we are waisting Crosbys last years, He will not win another cup here, but will neither not draft "The next Crosby" since we are not bad enough to draft him .... makes me sad ...

[Cow_Master66]

I don't know why we are still pretending to have a shot at ANYTHING right now, I would be fine with this:

Bemström - Crosby - Koivonen
McGroarty - Malkin - Tomasino
Poulin - Ponomarev - Puljujärvi
A Hayes - Broz - Gruden

Pickering - Letang
POJ - Shea
Whoever 1 - Whoever 2

Larsson
Blomqvist

Trade everything else for picks, I don't care, Tell the core they can be traded if they want, or, if they really want to leave a legacy for the future, do what Mario did for Sid and be the elder support for whoever we draft, in top 5 this and next year, and all others that we might draft with picks we acquire now.

At least, I think this lineup would have some fight in them, and I rather se them lose, than the OG-club team we have now.

And, FIRE SULLY.

Avery Hayes would need an NHL contract first. And you couldn't trade and or dump everything, not everyone would find a place elsewhere. I get the sentiment, be nice to start seeing prospects over garbage.

Though that roster is a sure bet for a top 3 pick.

Yea I know it would not work out in many ways, like, we would be under the cap-floor to I think, but it is what I feel right now, the small thinkering to "stay competitive and rebuild". Right now we are waisting Crosbys last years, He will not win another cup here, but will neither not draft "The next Crosby" since we are not bad enough to draft him .... makes me sad ...

He won't play in another postseason game here unless he sticks around past this contract.

[Puck-Lurker]

I don't know why we are still pretending to have a shot at ANYTHING right now, I would be fine with this:

Bemström - Crosby - Koivonen
McGroarty - Malkin - Tomasino
Poulin - Ponomarev - Puljujärvi
A Hayes - Broz - Gruden

Pickering - Letang
POJ - Shea
Whoever 1 - Whoever 2

Larsson
Blomqvist

Trade everything else for picks, I don't care, Tell the core they can be traded if they want, or, if they really want to leave a legacy for the future, do what Mario did for Sid and be the elder support for whoever we draft, in top 5 this and next year, and all others that we might draft with picks we acquire now.

At least, I think this lineup would have some fight in them, and I rather se them lose, than the OG-club team we have now.

And, FIRE SULLY.

Avery Hayes would need an NHL contract first. And you couldn't trade and or dump everything, not everyone would find a place elsewhere. I get the sentiment, be nice to start seeing prospects over garbage.

Though that roster is a sure bet for a top 3 pick.

Yea I know it would not work out in many ways, like, we would be under the cap-floor to I think, but it is what I feel right now, the small thinkering to "stay competitive and rebuild". Right now we are waisting Crosbys last years, He will not win another cup here, but will neither not draft "The next Crosby" since we are not bad enough to draft him .... makes me sad ...

But the general sentiment I am on board with.

You can slot 3 WBS forwards in, without much issue. A Rakell or Rust trade.. Waive Nieto.. Bench Acciari and you already have room at the inn. Rakell (or Rust respectively) would be missed in terms of production. But one of these guys could then play with Sid or Geno.

Defence, we don't really have much depth at the moment. Pickering is already here and should stay in a top 4 role.

Goalies, no excuse not to play Blomqvist or Larsson right this moment. We have the cap space and can accomodate the contract on the NHL roster.

[BurghThing]

You have to think one of our young goal tenders is going to be moved, probably in a big trade with other assets for multiple assets/picks back. Why have this many good young goal tenders and no place to play them?

[FLPensFan]

You have to think one of our young goal tenders is going to be moved, probably in a big trade with other assets for multiple assets/picks back. Why have this many good young goal tenders and no place to play them?

I could see that happen...but, I'm not sure there is a good or right answer as to who to move out. If they moved one, Gauthier would be my choice to move, but, I don't think there is much of a market for him and moving him doesn't help Murashov ascend to AHL.

Larsson is older, and, if he keeps playing the way he is now, would be a good backup for one of the young guys.

Blomqvist or Murashov moving makes the least sense. Blomqvist could handle NHL backup duties today. I think the organization still views Murashov as the better prospect long term. Trading either of these guys doesn't seem smart.

[KG]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/605617 ... yle-dubas/

Yohe says we could see some WBS players coming up sooner than later and that the Pens are in sell sell sell mode!

Also says MP is basically gone.

[Daniel]

You have to think one of our young goal tenders is going to be moved, probably in a big trade with other assets for multiple assets/picks back. Why have this many good young goal tenders and no place to play them?

Unless you get a #1 C or #1 D it isn't worth trading either goalie at this time. If one shows they can be the goalie of the future you'll get less and not a big deal, but right now make sure one of them ends up the goalie of the future first.

[FLPensFan]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/605617 ... yle-dubas/

Yohe says we could see some WBS players coming up sooner than later and that the Pens are in sell sell sell mode!

Also says MP is basically gone.

A couple of comments here:

--On the goalie situation, I'd try and move Ned ASAP. And maybe unpopular decision, I'd bring up Larsson...at least for a dozen games or so. Let's see if he can at least be a decent NHL backup. Get him some NHL games and see how he handles it, and bring Murashov up to the AHL. He doesn't need to stay up all year, and then Blomqvist can come up.

--There's really nobody in WBS right now to bring up to help on defense. Next year will be a bit different, with Brunicke potentially in the mix to earn a job. If he plays like he did this summer, he should get at...or at least a 9 game tryout at a minimum. Pettersson should be gone.

--At forward, Dubas needs to be ready to waive Nieto...plain and simple and straightforward. See if they can move on from Acciari and maybe Beauvillier. If there is a decent offer for Bunting, I'd move him too. DOC was drawing interest, and if it is still there, I'd move him. Rakell, if a team throws an incredible futures offer (top prospect or potential top 6 young NHLer, plus a high pick) then I'd consider. Otherwise, I'm fine waiting until over the summer.

Pettersson, Nedeljkovic, Nieto, Acciari, DOC, Beauvillier gone if possible. Bring up Larsson, Bemstrom, Broz, McGroarty, and maybe Ponomarev.

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
McGroarty-Broz-Glass
Hayes-Lizotte-Bemstrom
x-Ponomarev, Puljujarvi

Can't tell me that lineup is going to be drastically worse than what hops over the boards today.

[Wyopen]

Trade Ned, send Jarry to WBS waivers. Nobody will claim him. If they do that’s 4M off the books. Bring up Blomqvist and Larsson.

[KG]

Seems like Casey Mittelstadt has lost his 2C job in Colorado and they might look to move him. He's 26, signed for 2 more seasons after this one at $5.75mill. Wonder if he could be a target for us? We really need a younger skilled center on this roster who can help with the transition. Geno has 1 more year left and we have zero center prospects in our system that are top 6 material.

[FLPensFan]

Seems like Casey Mittelstadt has lost his 2C job in Colorado and they might look to move him. He's 26, signed for 2 more seasons after this one at $5.75mill. Wonder if he could be a target for us? We really need a younger skilled center on this roster who can help with the transition. Geno has 1 more year left and we have zero center prospects in our system that are top 6 material.

Unfortunately, I'd probably pass on Middlestadt at this point. At best, he seems to top out as a high-end 3C. He's eclipsed 50 points only once in his career, and in that season, he had 15 goals and 44 assists. He seems to be much more of pass first type of center, who has never lived up to his draft status.

Maybe he could do that here, but at 26, I don't have much confidence that he is going to evolve into a consistent 20+ goal scorer, which means he's never going to be a strong 2C. He's also poor at faceoffs, like, Malkin historical poor. Middlestadt has never finished a season above 50% on faceoffs.

Now, if Colorado wanted to take a 3rd, Kevin Hayes, and Noel Acciari in return for Middlestadt....then maybe I'm intrigued. Otherwise, I think people will be quick to jump on Middlestadt and ask why we are paying a 3C almost 6M a year. Better options for less money. I'd like to see if Broz is going to be an NHL center or wing, but with his play last year, I'd like to see him at 3C for awhile. Even Lizotte was good when he had decent linemates at 3C.

[KG]

Seems like Casey Mittelstadt has lost his 2C job in Colorado and they might look to move him. He's 26, signed for 2 more seasons after this one at $5.75mill. Wonder if he could be a target for us? We really need a younger skilled center on this roster who can help with the transition. Geno has 1 more year left and we have zero center prospects in our system that are top 6 material.

Unfortunately, I'd probably pass on Middlestadt at this point. At best, he seems to top out as a high-end 3C. He's eclipsed 50 points only once in his career, and in that season, he had 15 goals and 44 assists. He seems to be much more of pass first type of center, who has never lived up to his draft status.

Maybe he could do that here, but at 26, I don't have much confidence that he is going to evolve into a consistent 20+ goal scorer, which means he's never going to be a strong 2C. He's also poor at faceoffs, like, Malkin historical poor. Middlestadt has never finished a season above 50% on faceoffs.

Now, if Colorado wanted to take a 3rd, Kevin Hayes, and Noel Acciari in return for Middlestadt....then maybe I'm intrigued. Otherwise, I think people will be quick to jump on Middlestadt and ask why we are paying a 3C almost 6M a year. Better options for less money. I'd like to see if Broz is going to be an NHL center or wing, but with his play last year, I'd like to see him at 3C for awhile. Even Lizotte was good when he had decent linemates at 3C.

Fair enough. Agree it comes down to acquisition cost.

I think we would agree on this one. Nemec is unhappy about his situation in NJ. 2nd overall D man. Doubt we could pull it off, if the Devils even made him available, but he would be a building block for the next phase.

[FLPensFan]

Seems like Casey Mittelstadt has lost his 2C job in Colorado and they might look to move him. He's 26, signed for 2 more seasons after this one at $5.75mill. Wonder if he could be a target for us? We really need a younger skilled center on this roster who can help with the transition. Geno has 1 more year left and we have zero center prospects in our system that are top 6 material.

Unfortunately, I'd probably pass on Middlestadt at this point. At best, he seems to top out as a high-end 3C. He's eclipsed 50 points only once in his career, and in that season, he had 15 goals and 44 assists. He seems to be much more of pass first type of center, who has never lived up to his draft status.

Maybe he could do that here, but at 26, I don't have much confidence that he is going to evolve into a consistent 20+ goal scorer, which means he's never going to be a strong 2C. He's also poor at faceoffs, like, Malkin historical poor. Middlestadt has never finished a season above 50% on faceoffs.

Now, if Colorado wanted to take a 3rd, Kevin Hayes, and Noel Acciari in return for Middlestadt....then maybe I'm intrigued. Otherwise, I think people will be quick to jump on Middlestadt and ask why we are paying a 3C almost 6M a year. Better options for less money. I'd like to see if Broz is going to be an NHL center or wing, but with his play last year, I'd like to see him at 3C for awhile. Even Lizotte was good when he had decent linemates at 3C.

Fair enough. Agree it comes down to acquisition cost.

I think we would agree on this one. Nemec is unhappy about his situation in NJ. 2nd overall D man. Doubt we could pull it off, if the Devils even made him available, but he would be a building block for the next phase.

Yeah, if Dubas was interested in David Jiricek previously, I would expect he would have a lot of interest in Nemec. I wanted to say that NJ will likely work this out, BUT...Nemec is RD, and Devils have both Hamilton and Pesce signed for 3 more and 5 more years respectively. Pesce was just signed, so unless NJ wants to move on from Hamilton, Nemec doesn't really have a spot.

Maybe we could do some type of 3 way deal where someone else winds up with Pettersson, NJ gets pick and high prospect, and Pittsburgh gets Nemec. Otherwise, maybe we could use one of Murashov or Blomqvist plus a high pick, as, while NJ has Markstrom, he's 34. Backup Jake Allen is also 34, so, they could be a team that could use a good young goalie as the backup soon.

Pickering, Brunicke, Nemec would be a good foundation of a young defense.

[Dynasty1970]

Or maybe, we sell off everyone and collect picks and wait for the off-season and become a new team. Sully should remain coach for the remainder of the season to insure we get the top draft pick!

[KG]

So we have quantity over quality to trade. Wonderful

[FLPensFan]

So we have quantity over quality to trade. Wonderful

I don't know what we'd really have to give that interests Buffalo. They have a good young defense with Power, Dahlin, Samuelsson and Byram. They have UPL and Levi in goal. We aren't really stacked at forward.

There have been rumors they may want to give up on Cozens already, but I don't think we have a suitable offer for him.