2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

[FLPensFan]

Former Penguin Ryan Whitney....not a fan of Kyle Dubas:

[KG]

Former Penguin Ryan Whitney....not a fan of Kyle Dubas:

I didn't listen to it, but I'm over it. Pens held on for far too long to try to remain competitive.

I had no problems with the the EK trade or the Graves signing. Hell, I even liked the Acciari signing because I knew what type of player he was and what he should have brought into the lineup. I think the biggest mistake Dubas made last season was not firing Sullivan before trading Jake. I thought if we were going to go down and lose one of our better players, we should have tried to get a new coach in there to see if things change first.

New, fresh coach can't be underestimated. Look at the Caps. Yes they have a ton of LTIR money to play with, but that roster isn't any great shakes. There is so much parody in this league these days, to me coaching and system is huge.

[Pens4Life]

Yes, KG - I agree..

[FLPensFan]

Former Penguin Ryan Whitney....not a fan of Kyle Dubas:

I didn't listen to it, but I'm over it. Pens held on for far too long to try to remain competitive.

I had no problems with the the EK trade or the Graves signing. Hell, I even liked the Acciari signing because I knew what type of player he was and what he should have brought into the lineup. I think the biggest mistake Dubas made last season was not firing Sullivan before trading Jake. I thought if we were going to go down and lose one of our better players, we should have tried to get a new coach in there to see if things change first.

New, fresh coach can't be underestimated. Look at the Caps. Yes they have a ton of LTIR money to play with, but that roster isn't any great shakes. There is so much parody in this league these days, to me coaching and system is huge.

Here's the thing that leads more credence to the Sullivan firing, on top of the 2 years of missed playoffs and 4 first round exits. Hextall/Burke come in....and surround an aging core with more aging players. Dubas comes in and in year one...he surrounds the core with more aging players.

I don't think that is a coincidence at all, for 2 completely different GM regimes to come in and think adding a bunch of 30 year olds is the answer to keeping this core competitive.

I've got to think Sullivan had a heavy hand in asking for those players.

[Pruezy11881]

Former Penguin Ryan Whitney....not a fan of Kyle Dubas:

I didn't listen to it, but I'm over it. Pens held on for far too long to try to remain competitive.

I had no problems with the the EK trade or the Graves signing. Hell, I even liked the Acciari signing because I knew what type of player he was and what he should have brought into the lineup. I think the biggest mistake Dubas made last season was not firing Sullivan before trading Jake. I thought if we were going to go down and lose one of our better players, we should have tried to get a new coach in there to see if things change first.

New, fresh coach can't be underestimated. Look at the Caps. Yes they have a ton of LTIR money to play with, but that roster isn't any great shakes. There is so much parody in this league these days, to me coaching and system is huge.

Here's the thing that leads more credence to the Sullivan firing, on top of the 2 years of missed playoffs and 4 first round exits. Hextall/Burke come in....and surround an aging core with more aging players. Dubas comes in and in year one...he surrounds the core with more aging players.

I don't think that is a coincidence at all, for 2 completely different GM regimes to come in and think adding a bunch of 30 year olds is the answer to keeping this core competitive.

I've got to think Sullivan had a heavy hand in asking for those players.

Well hopefully this is going to basically end up as Dubas saying I tried to do it the way you wanted and it hasn't worked. Barely over .500 for ~ 3 seasons at this point ain't cutting it. We are going to do it my way now.

[100565]

Speculation. I still think Jim Rutherford wanted make changes during summer. He was told not now but maybe if team isn’t performing. The season starts. Performing poorly. Jim wanted to make changes. Was told no again. Then Jim abruptly quit.

If so, whoever prevented those changes changed the course of Pens hockey for awhile.

[Maestro]

Yes the past 6.5 years of failure is purely Kyle Dubas’ fault

[lemieuxReturns]

Any EK trade should start with a 1st round pick and go from there. See what teams are willing to give and just take the best offer.

[FLPensFan]

Any EK trade should start with a 1st round pick and go from there. See what teams are willing to give and just take the best offer.

Put yourself in the shoes of a fan of any of the other 31 teams out there. Are you happy if your team acquires Karlsson for a 1st round pick?

I think the perception has been the Penguins may have to pay someone to take him off their hands. Maybe with 50% retention and a roster dump to help with salary he could get a first....but I think that is a big maybe.

If I'm a fan of any other team that acquires Karlsson, I'd be asking my GM what he has seen in the past season in a half that makes giving up a first worth it.

I'd be ecstatic if we got a 1st foe Karlsson, but I think if we expect or demanding it, there will be a lot of disappointment here.

[KG]

I think KD traded for EK knowing it would hopefully provide a short term boost to the team but then be a nice chip to acquire future assets when he trades him (if he retains on the contract).

EK's analytics are actually very strong this season. He's tuned down his mistimed pinching. Pens lineup and transition game would definitely feel the loss of EK, but for the betterment of the franchise in acquiring future and young assets, they should absolutely move him for the best package.

[Pitts]

Any EK trade should start with a 1st round pick and go from there. See what teams are willing to give and just take the best offer.

Put yourself in the shoes of a fan of any of the other 31 teams out there. Are you happy if your team acquires Karlsson for a 1st round pick?

I think the perception has been the Penguins may have to pay someone to take him off their hands. Maybe with 50% retention and a roster dump to help with salary he could get a first....but I think that is a big maybe.

If I'm a fan of any other team that acquires Karlsson, I'd be asking my GM what he has seen in the past season in a half that makes giving up a first worth it.

I'd be ecstatic if we got a 1st foe Karlsson, but I think if we expect or demanding it, there will be a lot of disappointment here.

I somewhat disagree here. I believe Karlsson has much more value than you think with fans. It's kind of like the Letang thing with Pens fans - half of them want him shipped out for a bag of pucks when in reality he is still viewed as a top tier defenseman around the league. I think if the Pens agree to retain on Karlsson, he should fetch a decent return, 1sr rounder and prospect. Some contender out there has to think he's the missing link.

[EndO FanEra]

Any EK trade should start with a 1st round pick and go from there. See what teams are willing to give and just take the best offer.

Put yourself in the shoes of a fan of any of the other 31 teams out there. Are you happy if your team acquires Karlsson for a 1st round pick?

I think the perception has been the Penguins may have to pay someone to take him off their hands. Maybe with 50% retention and a roster dump to help with salary he could get a first....but I think that is a big maybe.

If I'm a fan of any other team that acquires Karlsson, I'd be asking my GM what he has seen in the past season in a half that makes giving up a first worth it.

I'd be ecstatic if we got a 1st foe Karlsson, but I think if we expect or demanding it, there will be a lot of disappointment here.

Yeah, Karlsson @ $10M for 3 years is a tough sell at this point in his career. Drop that down to $5M-$7M, I think you go from maybe 1-3 teams interested to closer to 5-10.

Of course, he has a NMC, so he controls where he goes for the most part. Based on recent comments though, it sounds like he'd be willing to leave to go to a contender.

I'm starting to think he will be gone by the start of next season, but I have a feeling it will be done in the offseason and not at this trade deadline.

[FLPensFan]

Any EK trade should start with a 1st round pick and go from there. See what teams are willing to give and just take the best offer.

Put yourself in the shoes of a fan of any of the other 31 teams out there. Are you happy if your team acquires Karlsson for a 1st round pick?

I think the perception has been the Penguins may have to pay someone to take him off their hands. Maybe with 50% retention and a roster dump to help with salary he could get a first....but I think that is a big maybe.

If I'm a fan of any other team that acquires Karlsson, I'd be asking my GM what he has seen in the past season in a half that makes giving up a first worth it.

I'd be ecstatic if we got a 1st foe Karlsson, but I think if we expect or demanding it, there will be a lot of disappointment here.

I somewhat disagree here. I believe Karlsson has much more value than you think with fans. It's kind of like the Letang thing with Pens fans - half of them want him shipped out for a bag of pucks when in reality he is still viewed as a top tier defenseman around the league. I think if the Pens agree to retain on Karlsson, he should fetch a decent return, 1sr rounder and prospect. Some contender out there has to think he's the missing link.

I don't think anyone thought he was going to come in here and hit 20 goals, 100 points again. His career average points per game pace over an 82 game season is .807, or 66 points. Last year, he had 56 points in 82 games, .682 ppg. This year, he has 32 in 49 games, or .653 ppg. He's been under his career average the past 2 seasons after the Norris. He's also on pace for his lowest goal total since 2017-2018 (with or without injury adjusted pace).

He's 35 in May. His offense is starting to tail off. His defense was never good. For all the crap Letang gets, Karlsson makes Letang look like Larry Robinson. Maybe Karlsson's drop off is the Sullivan factor...but at age 35, who wants to take that chance? He hasn't exactly fit well here with Letang. He didn't fit well with Burns in SJ. Where is he going to go where he is going to be the alpha at 34 years old?

If it happens, he moves, and he pulls down a 1st....awesome. I will stand corrected. But that's a mighty big risk for a GM if you ask me, with his age, drop off, and issues clicking with other d-men in the past.

[Daniel]

Any EK trade should start with a 1st round pick and go from there. See what teams are willing to give and just take the best offer.

Put yourself in the shoes of a fan of any of the other 31 teams out there. Are you happy if your team acquires Karlsson for a 1st round pick?

I think the perception has been the Penguins may have to pay someone to take him off their hands. Maybe with 50% retention and a roster dump to help with salary he could get a first....but I think that is a big maybe.

If I'm a fan of any other team that acquires Karlsson, I'd be asking my GM what he has seen in the past season in a half that makes giving up a first worth it.

I'd be ecstatic if we got a 1st foe Karlsson, but I think if we expect or demanding it, there will be a lot of disappointment here.

I somewhat disagree here. I believe Karlsson has much more value than you think with fans. It's kind of like the Letang thing with Pens fans - half of them want him shipped out for a bag of pucks when in reality he is still viewed as a top tier defenseman around the league. I think if the Pens agree to retain on Karlsson, he should fetch a decent return, 1sr rounder and prospect. Some contender out there has to think he's the missing link.

I don't think anyone thought he was going to come in here and hit 20 goals, 100 points again. His career average points per game pace over an 82 game season is .807, or 66 points. Last year, he had 56 points in 82 games, .682 ppg. This year, he has 32 in 49 games, or .653 ppg. He's been under his career average the past 2 seasons after the Norris. He's also on pace for his lowest goal total since 2017-2018 (with or without injury adjusted pace).

He's 35 in May. His offense is starting to tail off. His defense was never good. For all the crap Letang gets, Karlsson makes Letang look like Larry Robinson. Maybe Karlsson's drop off is the Sullivan factor...but at age 35, who wants to take that chance? He hasn't exactly fit well here with Letang. He didn't fit well with Burns in SJ. Where is he going to go where he is going to be the alpha at 34 years old?

If it happens, he moves, and he pulls down a 1st....awesome. I will stand corrected. But that's a mighty big risk for a GM if you ask me, with his age, drop off, and issues clicking with other d-men in the past.

I wonder if the Rangers would take him. Their PP is awful and they’re just outside of the playoff picture. They have Fox but he only has 2 goals. You mentioned the Stars I think, their PP is also awful.

[BigMcK]

Not looking to thread jack the ongoing EK discussion (trade, trade, trade, - he is worth trading - now), as the broadcasters from Ducks Vs Panthers (Ducks feed) questioned why Crosby hasn't been awarded the Selke Trophy. Without naming names, they said the two most current repeat players (Bergeron - 6x, Barkov - 2x), that Crosby should have won at a minimum of once during this period, and suggested maybe concussion history may have robbed him. Maybe superstars don't win all of the awards?

Trade EK. Really.

Crosby is Selke Trophy due. Plays the game on offense and defense.

EK can stay in San Jose. There was a song about knowing the way to San Jose. He knows...

(As a side note, thanks for those who expressed concern over the fires. Should never have occurred but for mismanagement of the land and people who felt the need to build in suspect areas.)

[largegarlic]

With regard to trading Karlsson, I'm not totally sure he would net a 1st rounder in a trade, but I lean towards being optimistic about a good return, if the Pens retain a lot. Even if he's not produced to his standards, he's still 12th in the league in points for d-men this year. Of the guys ahead of him in scoring, none are likely to be available in a trade, unless Nashville decides to blow things up and trade Josi. If you think you're a contender and want more scoring from your d-men, I can see them thinking it's worth it to trade a late 1st for Karlsson with the Pens retaining $4-5 million.

And as we've been talking about, the Pens have no problems staying under the cap for the next couple years, so it's no issue to retain the max possible.

[FLPensFan]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

[KG]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

[thehockeyguru]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

The goaltending woes are 100 percent self inflicted, someone should be on the hot seat for the Jarry contract

[ahawk9]

I think the Jarry contract was a knee-jerk reaction. I think KD could have let it ride a bit and either signed him to fewer years or fewer dollars. That's just speculation on my part. Maybe there was an interested party willing to pay him and KD felt he needed to lock up the all-star goalie. He was still young, had some really good seasons, the post trade deadline/playoff wilt notwithstanding. In hindsight, I'd have loved it if KD played a little hardball with Jarry. Either he signs for fewer years/$ or someone else signs him and he moves to plan B.

As it stands, the Pens won't have too many cap worries down the road, so they could leave him buried until they feel they can unload him with some retention or buy him out. Or, they could just keep him buried the whole time. His contract won't be a killer because I believe the young cheap guys will be their tandems after this season. I feel that Ned could be a deadline deal to someone looking for goalie depth. If not, summer or next deadline he'll be tradeable.

Up front, I must say that despite his slow wheels, I've been very impressed with Hayes' offensive abilities and instincts. I think he will easily be traded at the 2026 deadline. Beauvillier's 11 goals are going to bring back at least something this year. Teams should be interested. It's funny because I've given his play a hard time this season, especially because he always seemed to vex the Pens when he was an Islander, but he's played pretty well at times. He's tradeable, IMO. Some of these one-year deal guys will bring back something, even if they're lower round picks. If Dubas wants quantity, he's going to get some more of that at this deadline.

[EndO FanEra]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

Yeah, that sounds like par for the course with the way this organization has been run for the past decade. More half measures.

Here is my guess at what our half-*** "rebuild" attempt will look like:

In season:
Petterson traded for a 2nd, meh player on a not so great $3-$4M contract, and a B/C level prospect most of us have never heard of.
O'Conner traded for a 3rd or 4th or prospect most of us have never heard of.
Grezylck traded for a tweener D prospect (POJ/Smith/etc.)
A 3/4/5 round pick traded for a decent bottom 6 player

Offseason:
Karlsson w/ retention traded for a 2nd, 5th, player/cap dump, prospect
Nieto walks in UFA
Beauvillier walks in UFA
Glass resigned @ 2 years, $1.8M per
Tomasino resigned @ 3 years, 2.5M per (totally guessing at salary)
1 or 2 players brought in to round out the lineup

[dark_forces]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

Yeah, that sounds like par for the course with the way this organization has been run for the past decade. More half measures.

Here is my guess at what our *** "rebuild" attempt will look like:

In season:
Petterson traded for a 2nd, meh player on a not so great $3-$4M contract, and a B/C level prospect most of us have never heard of.
O'Conner traded for a 3rd or 4th or prospect most of us have never heard of.
Grezylck traded for a tweener D prospect (POJ/Smith/etc.)
A 3/4/5 round pick traded for a decent bottom 6 player

Offseason:
Karlsson w/ retention traded for a 2nd, 5th, player/cap dump, prospect
Nieto walks in UFA
Beauvillier walks in UFA
Glass resigned @ 2 years, $1.8M per
Tomasino resigned @ 3 years, 2.5M per (totally guessing at salary)
1 or 2 players brought in to round out the lineup

This is very realistic to what likely will occur. I could see O'Connor bringing in a change of scenery type of player who's still relatively young.

[Daniel]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

Yeah, that sounds like par for the course with the way this organization has been run for the past decade. More half measures.

Here is my guess at what our *** "rebuild" attempt will look like:

In season:
Petterson traded for a 2nd, meh player on a not so great $3-$4M contract, and a B/C level prospect most of us have never heard of.
O'Conner traded for a 3rd or 4th or prospect most of us have never heard of.
Grezylck traded for a tweener D prospect (POJ/Smith/etc.)
A 3/4/5 round pick traded for a decent bottom 6 player

Offseason:
Karlsson w/ retention traded for a 2nd, 5th, player/cap dump, prospect
Nieto walks in UFA
Beauvillier walks in UFA
Glass resigned @ 2 years, $1.8M per
Tomasino resigned @ 3 years, 2.5M per (totally guessing at salary)
1 or 2 players brought in to round out the lineup

Depending on how many bidders, Pettersson might get slightly more than that, contract back for sure, maybe 2nd and A/B player or 3rd and A player or 1st and C player. Not majorly more but I think there might be a few teams that bid on him and a 1st round pick will likely be between 25 and 32 so not a big deal to move up to outbid someone else.

Not a major disagreement and that depends on bidding. For all we know, 1-2 teams and it's exactly like you propose.

[Puck-Lurker]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

Yeah, that sounds like par for the course with the way this organization has been run for the past decade. More half measures.

Here is my guess at what our *** "rebuild" attempt will look like:

In season:
Petterson traded for a 2nd, meh player on a not so great $3-$4M contract, and a B/C level prospect most of us have never heard of.
O'Conner traded for a 3rd or 4th or prospect most of us have never heard of.
Grezylck traded for a tweener D prospect (POJ/Smith/etc.)
A 3/4/5 round pick traded for a decent bottom 6 player

Offseason:
Karlsson w/ retention traded for a 2nd, 5th, player/cap dump, prospect
Nieto walks in UFA
Beauvillier walks in UFA
Glass resigned @ 2 years, $1.8M per
Tomasino resigned @ 3 years, 2.5M per (totally guessing at salary)
1 or 2 players brought in to round out the lineup

Depending on how many bidders, Pettersson might get slightly more than that, contract back for sure, maybe 2nd and A/B player or 3rd and A player or 1st and C player. Not majorly more but I think there might be a few teams that bid on him and a 1st round pick will likely be between 25 and 32 so not a big deal to move up to outbid someone else.

Not a major disagreement and that depends on bidding. For all we know, 1-2 teams and it's exactly like you propose.

Thinking Glass at 1.5M if he produces at current clip. But Tomasino sounds about right.

I'd be impressed if Dubas kicks the tyres on trading Rakell or Rust. Or manages to flip Karlsson at a low price to support a rebuild.

So far, Dubas has shown he can play small ball very well (Tomasino trade and a bunch of small moves like that) and has been poor on the bigger swings. That needs to change. He also needs to eject Sullivan, I hold him accountable at this point for it.

[EndO FanEra]

Yohe says contrary to what some are reporting, he does not expect a fire sale by the Penguins at the deadline. They'll listen on just about everyone, but national media seems to be blowing this a bit out of sorts.

Yohe says the 2 names he keeps hearing Penguins traded chatter are Marcus Pettersson and Drew O'Connor.

Says Penguins are very happy with Rutger McGroarty development, don't be surprised if he stays whole year in WBS, but also expect him to be on the roster next season.

Continues saying Sullivan is safe, never on the hot seat, FSG and Dubas love what he's doing, don't blame him for goaltending woes.

I would agree that we aren't going to see a "fire sale." I expect one decent size trade of MP then minor trades of DOC, Beauvillier, maybe Gryz and Acciari. I would still look to sell high on Rakell if there is a market for him. Other than that I would think EK gets moved in the off season when retention slots open back up.

Oh and of course it's the goalies fault. It's always someone else's fault other than Sully. I would argue how does LA for example, bring in a new goalie basically every year and turn that goalie into an all star? Maybe the answer is Sullivan's system is poor choice for the roster we have??

Yeah, that sounds like par for the course with the way this organization has been run for the past decade. More half measures.

Here is my guess at what our *** "rebuild" attempt will look like:

In season:
Petterson traded for a 2nd, meh player on a not so great $3-$4M contract, and a B/C level prospect most of us have never heard of.
O'Conner traded for a 3rd or 4th or prospect most of us have never heard of.
Grezylck traded for a tweener D prospect (POJ/Smith/etc.)
A 3/4/5 round pick traded for a decent bottom 6 player

Offseason:
Karlsson w/ retention traded for a 2nd, 5th, player/cap dump, prospect
Nieto walks in UFA
Beauvillier walks in UFA
Glass resigned @ 2 years, $1.8M per
Tomasino resigned @ 3 years, 2.5M per (totally guessing at salary)
1 or 2 players brought in to round out the lineup

Depending on how many bidders, Pettersson might get slightly more than that, contract back for sure, maybe 2nd and A/B player or 3rd and A player or 1st and C player. Not majorly more but I think there might be a few teams that bid on him and a 1st round pick will likely be between 25 and 32 so not a big deal to move up to outbid someone else.

Not a major disagreement and that depends on bidding. For all we know, 1-2 teams and it's exactly like you propose.

Oh, for sure. I'm hoping Dubas can squeeze a 1st out of a Pettersson trade, I just have a feeling it's not going to happen. He deserves a 1st back IMO, but I think it'll probably end up being more quantity over quality like the Jake trade.

Imagine if he could manage Pettersson (maybe add a low level pick/prospect) for a first and whatever coming back. Then do the same for Rakell, and try to get a first of out another team. Then in the offseason, eat 4/5M on Karlsson and go for another first. Those are 3 players (not named Sid/Geno/Letang/Rust) that *could* potentially bring back a 1st.

All 3 will never happen, but it would be really nice to have at least one more 1st going into next year's draft, if not 2 more.