2024-2025 Season Random Penguins Fodder

[Victor]

You can do that? Seems like cap circumvention. I get that he is walking away from a lot of money, but it seems like the Blues are getting out of a bad contract for free. Wonder if this will be a topic of discussion in the next CBA.

I knew you could terminate a contract, but the only time I've really seen it put to use other than for legit reasons (like Mike Richards) was when European players wanted to go back to Europe and play. Friedman's tweet is a little vague, but, I'm not sure if Saad can terminate his contract and then immediately sign in the NHL. Something makes me think he would have to wait until next season.

I believe if a contract is mutually terminated, the player is an UFA immediately after clearing unconditional waivers and the team has one less contract to care about. I think the same happened with Kovaluchuk when he left LA and signed with Montreal that same season.

It's the same logic for Perry when he left Chicago, even though his contract was terminated for a different reason. He was an UFA and signed with Edmonton.

[lemieuxReturns]

You can do that? Seems like cap circumvention. I get that he is walking away from a lot of money, but it seems like the Blues are getting out of a bad contract for free. Wonder if this will be a topic of discussion in the next CBA.

I knew you could terminate a contract, but the only time I've really seen it put to use other than for legit reasons (like Mike Richards) was when European players wanted to go back to Europe and play. Friedman's tweet is a little vague, but, I'm not sure if Saad can terminate his contract and then immediately sign in the NHL. Something makes me think he would have to wait until next season.

Makes you wonder how badly Jarry wants to play in the NHL again doesn't it.

[EndO FanEra]

You can do that? Seems like cap circumvention. I get that he is walking away from a lot of money, but it seems like the Blues are getting out of a bad contract for free. Wonder if this will be a topic of discussion in the next CBA.

I knew you could terminate a contract, but the only time I've really seen it put to use other than for legit reasons (like Mike Richards) was when European players wanted to go back to Europe and play. Friedman's tweet is a little vague, but, I'm not sure if Saad can terminate his contract and then immediately sign in the NHL. Something makes me think he would have to wait until next season.

Makes you wonder how badly Jarry wants to play in the NHL again doesn't it.

Yeah, that is interesting. So, the key is getting the player to accept a contract termination then? As long as the team & player agree to part ways, they can just sign a termination contract and just walk away with no cap/salary repercussions?

I guess it doesn't happen a lot because, why would a player walk away from millions of dollars if they don't have to?

It makes me wonder if a team could make payment arrangements for a contract termination. Basically, Dubas goes to Hayes and says, "We'll write you a check today for $5M if you agree to terminate your contract". He's owed roughly $3.5M per year, so he's leaving a bit on the table. However, he's also free to sign with another team & make additional money. Pens get out of the cap/contract, and Hayes gets most of what he's owed and goes his own way.

I'm pretty sure that isn't legal, or it would have happened by now.

But, yeah, that double-waiver/contract termination stuff seems like it's pushing the envelope a bit.

[Daniel]

You can do that? Seems like cap circumvention. I get that he is walking away from a lot of money, but it seems like the Blues are getting out of a bad contract for free. Wonder if this will be a topic of discussion in the next CBA.

I knew you could terminate a contract, but the only time I've really seen it put to use other than for legit reasons (like Mike Richards) was when European players wanted to go back to Europe and play. Friedman's tweet is a little vague, but, I'm not sure if Saad can terminate his contract and then immediately sign in the NHL. Something makes me think he would have to wait until next season.

Makes you wonder how badly Jarry wants to play in the NHL again doesn't it.

I think for Jarry it would be pretty risky. If Dubas can't trade him he likely either won't get signed or won't get near what is getting now.

[Victor]

Grubauer placed on waivers by Seattle.

Straight up swap for Jarry.

Grubauer is actually worse and slightly more expensive, but signed for one year less.

Grubauer has also been worse for longer as well. Jarry's play this season has been about the same level of Grubauer's for the past 3 seaons, but now Grubauer sank even further. He's 5-15-1, 3.83 GAA, .866 sv%.

It took Seattle way too long to waive him.

[Victor]

You can do that? Seems like cap circumvention. I get that he is walking away from a lot of money, but it seems like the Blues are getting out of a bad contract for free. Wonder if this will be a topic of discussion in the next CBA.

I knew you could terminate a contract, but the only time I've really seen it put to use other than for legit reasons (like Mike Richards) was when European players wanted to go back to Europe and play. Friedman's tweet is a little vague, but, I'm not sure if Saad can terminate his contract and then immediately sign in the NHL. Something makes me think he would have to wait until next season.

Makes you wonder how badly Jarry wants to play in the NHL again doesn't it.

I think for Jarry it would be pretty risky. If Dubas can't trade him he likely either won't get signed or won't get near what is getting now.

Jarry would be signed to a contract that can be buried in the minors at best.

[FLPensFan]

Read somewhere today, maybe Taylor Haase, that expect trades to die down again. Teams aren't likely to want to acquire players while the league is shut down for 4 Nations tournament. Why acquire the extra cap when the players aren't playing.

Not mentioned...why acquire a player before the tournament, only to have them get injured in the tournament.

I'd expect things to heat up around February 21st, first day after 4 Nations is over. There is no trade freeze during 4 Nations.

[Pitts]

Saad signs in PGH for $1.5 mil. Come home, son.

Should have been a PGH draftee anyway!

[KG]

In addition to Koivunen and Ponomarev starting to come on, Murashov is crushing it in the AHL. May have something with this kid. Hextall pick!

[KG]

Adam Boqvist on waivers. RHD on Florida. Former 8th overall pick, can't believe he's only 24. Decent offensive D man. Defense is left to be desire. Signed a league minimum deal to play with his brother. RFA at seasons end.

We could certainly use a RHD. Issue is we are 49/50 contracts. Would love for KD to move out a fringe vet to begin the cleanse of our mediocre players.

[KG]

Flyers fans imploding about the trade Briere (well really Torts) made last night.

Frost and Farabee for Kuzmenko, Pelletier, 2nd and 7th. Kuzmenko is a UFA who Torts will immediately hate. Pelletier was on waivers a couple of months ago and the 7th round pick is in 28.

Talk about selling low. Could easily see Michkov not staying there long term.

[FLPensFan]

Flyers fans imploding about the trade Briere (well really Torts) made last night.

Frost and Farabee for Kuzmenko, Pelletier, 2nd and 7th. Kuzmenko is a UFA who Torts will immediately hate. Pelletier was on waivers a couple of months ago and the 7th round pick is in 28.

Talk about selling low. Could easily see Michkov not staying there long term.

Yeah, weird trade. Give up a 24 and 25 year, one with 3 more years, one an RFA, for a 28 year old UFA and an undersized 23 year old. Not sure what the intent was here. Farabee has more goals than Kuzmenko and Pelltier combined, so if they thought Farabee and Frost were struggling, the 2 they acquired were struggling even more.

[john66]

I think their goal was to get rid of Farabee's salary so they can add a center via another trade.

[FLPensFan]

I think their goal was to get rid of Farabee's salary so they can add a center via another trade.

They only saved 800K for this year. I guess if they want to trade for someone, then they freed up 5M per year to put towards that center. I dunno. Flyers gonna Flyer. They probably consulted with Ron Hextall on this one.

[Daniel]

Flyers fans imploding about the trade Briere (well really Torts) made last night.

Frost and Farabee for Kuzmenko, Pelletier, 2nd and 7th. Kuzmenko is a UFA who Torts will immediately hate. Pelletier was on waivers a couple of months ago and the 7th round pick is in 28.

Talk about selling low. Could easily see Michkov not staying there long term.

Yeah, weird trade. Give up a 24 and 25 year, one with 3 more years, one an RFA, for a 28 year old UFA and an undersized 23 year old. Not sure what the intent was here. Farabee has more goals than Kuzmenko and Pelltier combined, so if they thought Farabee and Frost were struggling, the 2 they acquired were struggling even more.

Maybe they didn't see Farabee in any kind of long range plans and the 2nd was the goal?

[FLPensFan]

Just like that, my hopes and dreams of offer sheeting Wyatt Johnston are long gone.

[KG]

Just like that, my hopes and dreams of offer sheeting Wyatt Johnston are long gone.

Wow, some serious bumps there. Maybe the Jarry and Graves contracts can get moved eventually!

[Pitts]

Just like that, my hopes and dreams of offer sheeting Wyatt Johnston are long gone.

This numbers are nuts! Pens should be in good position to add along the way.

Maybe instead of Crosby to Colorado, we should start the McKinnon to Pittsburgh rumor train! LOL

[100565]

Mitch Marner must be smiling like a butcher’s dog! I bet he sets the record for largest NHL contract ever signed. 7-8years at $14-$15 mil per year.

[KG]

With these large cap ceiling increases, wonder how many teams are still going to spend to the cap, and how many teams can even afford to spend to the cap.

The league has to be careful. We don't want a league of haves vs the have-nots like it was in the late 90's early 00's.

[FLPensFan]

With these large cap ceiling increases, wonder how many teams are still going to spend to the cap, and how many teams can even afford to spend to the cap.

The league has to be careful. We don't want a league of haves vs the have-nots like it was in the late 90's early 00's.

The cap increases are coming because of increased league revenue. If there are teams that cannot get to the floor, I would assume the Board of Governors would have to have a serious look as to why, and maybe potentially force a sale if they find a team should be able to generate enough profits to support the cap floor.

[KG]

With these large cap ceiling increases, wonder how many teams are still going to spend to the cap, and how many teams can even afford to spend to the cap.

The league has to be careful. We don't want a league of haves vs the have-nots like it was in the late 90's early 00's.

The cap increases are coming because of increased league revenue. If there are teams that cannot get to the floor, I would assume the Board of Governors would have to have a serious look as to why, and maybe potentially force a sale if they find a team should be able to generate enough profits to support the cap floor.

Smaller market Canadian teams might have problems .

[100565]

If smaller market Canadian teams are having issues then the league should look at revenue sharing.

When cap is $113.5 million and if all 32 teams spend all $113.5 million, the total paid to players would be $3.6billion. That is in 27-28. Total NHL revenue for 22-23 was $6.43billion.

There is plenty of money to go around.

[EndO FanEra]

I read an article the other day on Bleacher Report from Adam Gretz about 5 potential Pens trades. Here are the deals he laid out:

1. Pens trade Pettersson to Edmonton for Podkolzin and a 2nd (the same St. Louis' 2nd round pick that the Pens owned at one point from the Hayes trade)
2. Pens trade DOC to Tampa Bay for a pick (mentions that TB has 2-2nds and 2-4ths next year)
3. Pens trade Grzelcyk to Florida for a pick (mentions Florida has multiple 4th & 5th round picks)
4. Pens trade Beauvillier to Vegas for a pick (mentions a mid-to-late-round pick)
5. Pens trade Rakell to the Kings for a young player (mentions Alex Turcotte)

The middle 3 are ok, take the highest bid you can get. DOC is the only one I'd consider keeping if the offers aren't any better than a 4th/5th.

Thoughts on the other two?

I think I like the idea of Podkolzin over Hoglander from the often talked about Vancouver deal, but the pick will likely be a little lower assuming Edmonton goes further than Vancouver this year. I'd probably be okay that one.

For the Kings deal, I like the idea of targeting one of their young NHL ready players. I just don't know enough about any of their outlooks to judge fair market value for a player like Rakell. With the right player and pick/prospects to even it out, I'd be okay with something like that as well.

Anyway, all conjecture, but figured I'd share.
 
(Apologies for not including a link, not sure what the protocol is in a case like this)

[RonBurgundy]

If smaller market Canadian teams are having issues then the league should look at revenue sharing.

When cap is $113.5 million and if all 32 teams spend all $113.5 million, the total paid to players would be $3.6billion. That is in 27-28. Total NHL revenue for 22-23 was $6.43billion.

There is plenty of money to go around.

Likely to get worse for Canadian currency if Trump follows through on tariffs.