Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[Michael74]

SID is NOT getting traded, period!

I agree, but that's not necessarily what's best for the team in the long run. If he wants to be on a sinking ship, so be it. That deprives us of assets and deprives him of post season play.

[Pens4Life]

SID is NOT getting traded, period!

I agree, but that's not necessarily what's best for the team in the long run. If he wants to be on a sinking ship, so be it. That deprives us of assets and deprives him of post season play.

Many things arent good for team, first of many Sullivan still being here,when he should be fired before 2023/24 season.

But Sid, Geno and Kris will retire as Pens..

[Puck-Lurker]

SID is NOT getting traded, period!

I agree, but that's not necessarily what's best for the team in the long run. If he wants to be on a sinking ship, so be it. That deprives us of assets and deprives him of post season play.

Many things arent good for team, first of many Sullivan still being here,when he should be fired before 2023/24 season.

Sidney Crosby not being here is bad for the team. Also has some intangibles that would be bad for the team down the line if he were to leave.

He has a full NMC and he's the literally (meaning actually literally) the last player in the entire world you'd ask to waive it.

[EndO FanEra]

Our stanley cup moving forward is the trade deadline, the draft and free agency. This era for competing at the highest level is over. Turning the page is the only sensible way forward. It won't likely happen but I wish Sid would accept a trade to COL. That'd be best for everyone.

COL has a bunch of spare parts from the junk drawer to offer. Extremely limited on what useful pieces we'd receive from COL. I think you'd need another team involved to get anything of value.

They have ONE blue chip prospect in Calum Ritchie. He'd be a very nice piece (in theory) and if all goes well could make the team next season. Middlestadt isn't doing well there and has been rumored to be on the market. Yet he'd still be a solid 2hd liner for us and is at a 50+ point pace. He'd also help absorb the cap COL would need to make the deal work. A deal IF even possible would likely involve these three pieces. Cap wise, need wise it would make sense. Both Middlestadt and Ritchie are centers. That would afford Sid a chance at a deep playoff run.

to COL
Sid
'25 3rd (the worst of our three)

To PIT
Ritchie
Middlestadt
'26 1st

So, I knew Ritchie was their best prospect. I didn't think he was rated as high as he was. Athletic currently has him as 21st best prospect out there, while our best prospect, McGroarty, ranks 44th.

I don't know exactly what a Sid trade would look like at his age, but I'd stay away from Middlestadt at this point. I don't like his contract for what he is producing. He's a high end 3C. I'd take Behrens or Gulyayev (both LD) before Middlestadt.

But cap wise that wouldn't work, which is why Middlestadt would be included. Well, beyond the fact he's a center and an established NHLer. It has to work for both teams regarding the cap, the assets each team may want and are willing to part with. As well as each teams predictive trajectory. Ritchie would arguably be our best prospect and a '26 1st rounder would be a nice pick to add to our own 1st. We desperately need centers! We have plenty of defensive prospects, we're solid there and in net. Well, one never knows but organizationally we have several prospects on the blue line who have a chance to come in soon. The Center position is far and away our biggest organizational short coming. This would move that forward a bit.

Listen, we're not winning anytime soon. We've missed the playoffs each of the last two seasons WITH Sid and Geno playing every game. Sid being here doesn't help anyone in the scheme of things. At least in this highly UNLIKELY scenario both teams go further down their predictive paths. Also, if he's not here we likely plummet even further and garner higher picks over the next few seasons. And the Avs have a punchers chance to compete for a cup over the next couple of years and bolster it by adding Sid.

The only way Sid is getting traded is if he wants out. From all reports, he's not interested. However, circumstances do change, and people can change their minds.

If Sid decides he wants out and wants to go to COL to play w/ Nate, I think the Pens would try to do right by him and look for a deal.

That said, if that is the best COL comes back with, I'm telling Sid he better have Nate plead with his management, because that is nowhere near enough value coming back. A good prospect (#27 pick in 2023), a very late (likely 28-32) 1st in 2026, and a middle six cap dump for #87? Even at this point in his career, no way. I'm being a little harsh on Middlestadt maybe, but other than Ritchie (who I know nothing about, just going off of his ranking), those pieces don't interest me that much. And we're talking about Sidney Crosby here.

If he stays healthy and is part of a team that is competing for the playoffs and a possible shot at the cup, I could see him playing a year or more beyond his current contract. Even at a reduced role, Sid would be an impact player in those final years. No way I'm giving up on 2 to maybe 3-4 more years of Sid for a package like that.

Colorado might not have them, but I would expect/want another solid asset or two (1st/2nd and/or a really decent prospect/young player). I know it's not prime Sid we're talking about, but that package isn't much better than what we got for MP & DOC.

[Michael74]

I figured there'd be ample push back on the subject. I get the sentimentality behind it. I'll just say that we haven't won a playoff series since 2018. Since Sid was 30. And one of the reasons Sullivan is here is because the core wants him here. We all know Sid has all the leverage, as he should. But it's quite possible barring a couple big free agent signings in the next couple of years and hitting big time on our draft picks, Sid won't see the playoffs again. Don't really see how that helps us or him.

[BigMcK]

Regarding Crosby, at what cost loyalty? He has played Stanley Cup winning hockey and beyond under how many team friendly years?

[largegarlic]

I don't think Crosby will want to be traded, but if he ever does, I think don't such a trade can really be evaluated in terms of the return. They're not going to get good value in any trade for him, and that's ok. It should be looked at more as doing right by him after 2 decades of service to the team instead of a normal trade where the Pens are trying to maximize the return. So, if he says he really wants to go to Colorado, and Colorado can only offer a late 1st and a mediocre prospect, so be it. Crosby's earned that.

[Michael74]

Ritchie is arguably better than any prospect we have and is a center. And a '26 1st rounder even a late one isn't a bad piece either. Again, it's almost assuredly not gonna happen. I'm just saying there are pieces there where it could work cap wise and asset wise.

Far more likely we move MG and AB for a 2hd and 3rd or some such return.

[EndO FanEra]

Ritchie is arguably better than any prospect we have and is a center. And a '26 1st rounder even a late one isn't a bad piece either. Again, it's almost assuredly not gonna happen. I'm just saying there are pieces there where it could work cap wise and asset wise.

Far more likely we move MG and AB for a 2hd and 3rd or some such return.

I agree there are pieces that could work, and those may work cap wise, but not so much asset wise in my mind.

I mean, rumor is that KD is holding out on trading Rakell for something like a 1st and A/B prospect (or a 1st & B/C level or 2nd & A level, depending on who you ask).

Maybe Ritchie is progressing better than his draft position, but 2 late 1sts (and a $5.75M 3C cap dump) is not nearly enough for a player of Sid's caliber. That's almost equivalent to the Pens offering McGroarty, the Rangers 1st, and Kevin Hayes. The difference between RM & Ritchie made up for by the difference in the Rangers mid-1st (possibly not lottery protected if it goes to '26) and the COL 28-32 pick. Middlestadt is definitely the better player/asset than Hayes, but Hayes is quite a bit cheaper and less term. I think that could land a really good player, but not a Sidney Crosby.

We do agree on the fact that it almost assuredly is not gonna happen though, so no harm in agreeing to disagree on the terms of a fantasy land deal, lol.

[Michael74]

Ritchie is arguably better than any prospect we have and is a center. And a '26 1st rounder even a late one isn't a bad piece either. Again, it's almost assuredly not gonna happen. I'm just saying there are pieces there where it could work cap wise and asset wise.

Far more likely we move MG and AB for a 2hd and 3rd or some such return.

I agree there are pieces that could work, and those may work cap wise, but not so much asset wise in my mind.

I mean, rumor is that KD is holding out on trading Rakell for something like a 1st and A/B prospect (or a 1st & B/C level or 2nd & A level, depending on who you ask).

Maybe Ritchie is progressing better than his draft position, but 2 late 1sts (and a $5.75M 3C cap dump) is not nearly enough for a player of Sid's caliber. That's almost equivalent to the Pens offering McGroarty, the Rangers 1st, and Kevin Hayes. The difference between RM & Ritchie made up for by the difference in the Rangers mid-1st (possibly not lottery protected if it goes to '26) and the COL 28-32 pick. Middlestadt is definitely the better player/asset than Hayes, but Hayes is quite a bit cheaper and less term. I think that could land a really good player, but not a Sidney Crosby.

We do agree on the fact that it almost assuredly is not gonna happen though, so no harm in agreeing to disagree on the terms of a fantasy land deal, lol.

[KG]

Soooo. Who else can we sell?

Bunting, Acciari, Gryz, Beauvillier, Ned, Hayes, Lizotte, EK, maybe Rakell.

Hopefully KD is agressive and trim a lot of fat off this roster.

Waive Nieto

Fire Sully

[Victor]

I'd expect Dubas to move only Beauvillier and Grzelcyk for now. Of all the deals he made since last year's trade deadline, all players going out were pending UFAs: Guentzel, Ruhwedel, Smith, Eller, Pettersson and DOC.

Nieto and Shea have no trade value, so I don't think they will be moved. I'm happy if Nieto isn't resigned.

He was able to to fetch a 4th for Ruhwedel last year. Hopefully Beauvillier and Grzelcyk each net at least a 3rd.

[Puck-Lurker]

I'd expect Dubas to move only Beauvillier and Grzelcyk for now. Of all the deals he made since last year's trade deadline, all players going out were pending UFAs: Guentzel, Ruhwedel, Smith, Eller, Pettersson and DOC.

Nieto and Shea have no trade value, so I don't think they will be moved. I'm happy if Nieto isn't resigned.

He was able to to fetch a 4th for Ruhwedel last year. Hopefully Beauvillier and Grzelcyk each net at least a 3rd.

Nieto serves no useful function on the roster. Likely wouldn't be signed by anyone other than Pens, and hopefully we don't resign him.

I have some hope that a team will come and offer a nice deal for Rakell or Rust, but that hope is fading..

[TexasPenguins]

That Nieto continues to play is an indictment of both Sullivan and Dubas.

[Cow_Master66]

I don't think Crosby will want to be traded, but if he ever does, I think don't such a trade can really be evaluated in terms of the return. They're not going to get good value in any trade for him, and that's ok. It should be looked at more as doing right by him after 2 decades of service to the team instead of a normal trade where the Pens are trying to maximize the return. So, if he says he really wants to go to Colorado, and Colorado can only offer a late 1st and a mediocre prospect, so be it. Crosby's earned that.

I am totally on board with him being traded but giving him away for a mediocre return is about the worst suggestion I have seen.

[thehockeyguru]

I'd expect Dubas to move only Beauvillier and Grzelcyk for now. Of all the deals he made since last year's trade deadline, all players going out were pending UFAs: Guentzel, Ruhwedel, Smith, Eller, Pettersson and DOC.

Nieto and Shea have no trade value, so I don't think they will be moved. I'm happy if Nieto isn't resigned.

He was able to to fetch a 4th for Ruhwedel last year. Hopefully Beauvillier and Grzelcyk each net at least a 3rd.

Nieto serves no useful function on the roster. Likely wouldn't be signed by anyone other than Pens, and hopefully we don't resign him.

I have some hope that a team will come and offer a nice deal for Rakell or Rust, but that hope is fading..

Dubas hasn't even gone to Rust to move his no trade. Zero percent Rust gets moved at the deadline

[Wyopen]

At the season’s beginning our goalie situation was A+. Now this has evaporated. Jarry is done, Ned is not an A goaltender, Blomqvist is getting shell shocked and beaten high glove side, Larsson no NHL experience, Murashov too young, he’d leave for Russia faster that a Zdeno Chara slap shot if backstopping that defense. I know we have other issues, but goaltending is rearing its ugly head now. Also if this team continues to trend downward, should KD trade before the deadline, rather than losing player value? He’ll be trading from the point of weakness rather than strength. With that being said, I hope they whip the NYR today. Thanks.

[Wyopen]

At the season’s beginning our goalie situation was A+. Now this has evaporated. Jarry is done, Ned is not an A goaltender, Blomqvist is getting shell shocked and beaten high glove side, Larsson no NHL experience, Murashov too young, he’d leave for Russia faster that a Zdeno Chara slap shot if backstopping that defense. I know we have other issues, but goaltending is rearing its ugly head now. Also if this team continues to trend downward, should KD trade before the deadline, rather than losing player value? He’ll be trading from the point of weakness rather than strength. With that being said, I hope they whip the NYR today. Thanks.

[Pens4Life]

They need to trade Ned and Jarry asap! Our goalie future for next 2-3 seasons and beyond should be Murashov, Larsson and Blomquist.. I still think Larsson would be best solution for no.1 in NHL, Blom as backup.. then Murashov takes over as no.1 in few season if all goes well.

[EndO FanEra]

If all we end up doing at the deadline is trading Beau/Gryz for a couple of mid-late round picks, it'll be rather disappointing and somewhat of a missed opportunity. KD has a lot of work to do, and the Crosby clock is ticking.

The offers just might not be where we want them to be for trading the big guys (Rakell, Bunting, Rust, EK), in which case I hope KD switches gears a bit and focuses on offloading 1 or 2 of the bad contracts (Graves, Jarry, Hayes), and/or offloading multiple smaller contracts that aren't part of the future.

If Dubas can somehow manage to dump Jarry or Graves without too much pain, or manage to trade away several of Acciari, Heinen, Nieto, Desharnais, maybe Ned/Glass, along with the Beau/Gryz deals, that at least checks multiple boxes and will be a few less things that you need to take worry about in the offseason.

KD needs to move at more of a "Trader Jim" Rutherford pace than a "Sleepy" Ron Hextall pace.

[FLPensFan]

At the season’s beginning our goalie situation was A+. Now this has evaporated. Jarry is done, Ned is not an A goaltender, Blomqvist is getting shell shocked and beaten high glove side, Larsson no NHL experience, Murashov too young, he’d leave for Russia faster that a Zdeno Chara slap shot if backstopping that defense. I know we have other issues, but goaltending is rearing its ugly head now. Also if this team continues to trend downward, should KD trade before the deadline, rather than losing player value? He’ll be trading from the point of weakness rather than strength. With that being said, I hope they whip the NYR today. Thanks.

Any goalie in our system is going to have problems behind our defense. Dubas is going to have to work some magic this summer. If he can get rid of at least Karlsson over the summer, I think we could be decent on defense, or at least be built around some young guys with promise who will make mistakes, versus older players with zero room to grow who make mistakes.

I really want to see Larsson get in some games before the end of the season. The problem is, he is not waiver exempt, so if they call him up, they would need to expose him to waivers to send him back down. That's a risk the team likely doesn't want to take.

[Cow_Master66]

At the season’s beginning our goalie situation was A+. Now this has evaporated. Jarry is done, Ned is not an A goaltender, Blomqvist is getting shell shocked and beaten high glove side, Larsson no NHL experience, Murashov too young, he’d leave for Russia faster that a Zdeno Chara slap shot if backstopping that defense. I know we have other issues, but goaltending is rearing its ugly head now. Also if this team continues to trend downward, should KD trade before the deadline, rather than losing player value? He’ll be trading from the point of weakness rather than strength. With that being said, I hope they whip the NYR today. Thanks.

A+

[brdst11]

At a post game talk with Kyle Dubas. He mentions wanting to build around the core players, specifically mentions Sid, Malkin, Letang, and....Rust

[Michael74]

Hope MG is ok, we need to move him.

[brdst11]

Was asked for a timeframe on the rebuild. Mentions, based on his experience in Toronto, that it's necessary to keep veteran players as you're adding younger players. Also mentions using the stockpile of picks to trade for players and not just using them on drafting players.