Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[Daniel]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

[Mad City Mike]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

Agreed. That would start with a top-level NHL prospect who is as close as possible to NHL-ready. It would possibly include a 2026 first rounder since that draft is supposed to be much deeper and a team possibly trading for him might be a lot worse next year.

[Michael74]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

Rakell is having a career year, there's no guarantee whatsoever he won't regress a bit. He'll be a year older and is already on the other side of 30. He won't have more value than he has currently.

Listen, this team isn't going anywhere WITH him, they could do just as bad without him while accruing future contributors and assets in the process. That's what we should be doing.

Worrying about Sid over what's best for the team IMO is very shortsighted. If he were smart he'd go to the Avs to play with Nate. If he wants to stay, so be it. But he knew this team and with it's aging core was inevitably gonna take a step or three backwards.

[KG]

Tampa trades 2 1sts and a 2nd for Bjorkstrand and Gourde. Tampa says future be damned.

Sellers market! Sell sell sell.

[FLPensFan]

Tampa trades 2 1sts and a 2nd for Bjorkstrand and Gourde. Tampa says future be damned.

Sellers market! Sell sell sell.

Even worse, both 1st round picks are top 10 protected. 26 1st and 27 1st. Any time those picks slide (ie, if TB's 1st in 2026 or 2027 is in the top 10), Seattle gains an additional 3rd round pick.

It's doubtful, but if Tampa finished with a top 10 pick in 2026 and 2027, Seattle would end up getting:
--2028 1st plus a 2028 3rd
--2029 1st plus a 2029 3rd

[lemieuxReturns]

Tampa trades 2 1sts and a 2nd for Bjorkstrand and Gourde. Tampa says future be damned.

Sellers market! Sell sell sell.

Wow!!

[Michael74]

Tampa trades 2 1sts and a 2nd for Bjorkstrand and Gourde. Tampa says future be damned.

Sellers market! Sell sell sell.

A 26 1st, a very good prospect and Trevor Moore to balance out the cap.

[Daniel]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

Rakell is having a career year, there's no guarantee whatsoever he won't regress a bit. He'll be a year older and is already on the other side of 30. He won't have more value than he has currently.

Listen, this team isn't going anywhere WITH him, they could do just as bad without him while accruing future contributors and assets in the process. That's what we should be doing.

Worrying about Sid over what's best for the team IMO is very shortsighted. If he were smart he'd go to the Avs to play with Nate. If he wants to stay, so be it. But he knew this team and with it's aging core was inevitably gonna take a step or three backwards.

I agree he should be traded, but if you get the same thing this year you'll likely get next year, I'd wait. If a team is willing to overpay, even slightly, I don't hesitate.

2025 1st + C prospect. Do you take that or see about getting a 2026 1st + C prospect in a deeper draft?

I don't think Sid's feelings should play into this at all.

[Daniel]

Tampa trades 2 1sts and a 2nd for Bjorkstrand and Gourde. Tampa says future be damned.

Sellers market! Sell sell sell.

Just make sure you get the right orange crop report.

[Michael74]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

Rakell is having a career year, there's no guarantee whatsoever he won't regress a bit. He'll be a year older and is already on the other side of 30. He won't have more value than he has currently.

Listen, this team isn't going anywhere WITH him, they could do just as bad without him while accruing future contributors and assets in the process. That's what we should be doing.

Worrying about Sid over what's best for the team IMO is very shortsighted. If he were smart he'd go to the Avs to play with Nate. If he wants to stay, so be it. But he knew this team and with it's aging core was inevitably gonna take a step or three backwards.

I agree he should be traded, but if you get the same thing this year you'll likely get next year, I'd wait. If a team is willing to overpay, even slightly, I don't hesitate.

2025 1st + C prospect. Do you take that or see about getting a 2026 1st + C prospect in a deeper draft?

I don't think Sid's feelings should play into this at all.

You insist upon a 26 1st now. We have a lot of leverage here.

Again no guarantees Rakell will have the same value next year. He's a year older, he could get injured, he could regress etc.

[FLPensFan]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

Rakell is having a career year, there's no guarantee whatsoever he won't regress a bit. He'll be a year older and is already on the other side of 30. He won't have more value than he has currently.

Listen, this team isn't going anywhere WITH him, they could do just as bad without him while accruing future contributors and assets in the process. That's what we should be doing.

Worrying about Sid over what's best for the team IMO is very shortsighted. If he were smart he'd go to the Avs to play with Nate. If he wants to stay, so be it. But he knew this team and with it's aging core was inevitably gonna take a step or three backwards.

I agree he should be traded, but if you get the same thing this year you'll likely get next year, I'd wait. If a team is willing to overpay, even slightly, I don't hesitate.

2025 1st + C prospect. Do you take that or see about getting a 2026 1st + C prospect in a deeper draft?

I don't think Sid's feelings should play into this at all.

I prioritize player/prospect over the pick. I think that is more important to the goal of short-turnaround rebuild on the fly.

[Michael74]

I'd definitely trade Rakell if there's a good offer, but I also see the argument for keeping him. As a fan, I'm interested in seeing Crosby keep climbing the all-time scoring ladder, and that's going to be harder for him playing with Rust and Rico Fata 2.0. And it's not like having Rakell on the team will prevent the Pens from tanking, as this season shows.

Of course, maybe they can draft an NHL-ready, high-end guy that can play with Crosby (Martone?), and it won't matter if he loses Rakell as a winger.

With Rakell, I'd have a very specific requirement that's probably a higher value than he's worth. If Dubas gets it, excellent, if not, his value likely won't go down by this time next year.

Rakell is having a career year, there's no guarantee whatsoever he won't regress a bit. He'll be a year older and is already on the other side of 30. He won't have more value than he has currently.

Listen, this team isn't going anywhere WITH him, they could do just as bad without him while accruing future contributors and assets in the process. That's what we should be doing.

Worrying about Sid over what's best for the team IMO is very shortsighted. If he were smart he'd go to the Avs to play with Nate. If he wants to stay, so be it. But he knew this team and with it's aging core was inevitably gonna take a step or three backwards.

I agree he should be traded, but if you get the same thing this year you'll likely get next year, I'd wait. If a team is willing to overpay, even slightly, I don't hesitate.

2025 1st + C prospect. Do you take that or see about getting a 2026 1st + C prospect in a deeper draft?

I don't think Sid's feelings should play into this at all.

I prioritize player/prospect over the pick. I think that is more important to the goal of short-turnaround rebuild on the fly.

We should focus on the path where by we extract the best possible value. If that's picks over prospects or ready made players, so be it. This will not be a quick turnaround. The problems are great and they are many.

[Wyopen]

2025 1st + a C prospect. So in other words a 2025 1st. No thank you. Not after what Seattle received from Tampa. An A prospect + 2025 or 26 2nd round pick.

[Michael74]

2025 1st + a C prospect. So in other words a 2025 1st. No thank you. Not after what Seattle received from Tampa. An A prospect + 2025 or 26 2nd round pick.

I don't think Dubas would go for that package.

[KG]

Some rumblings Clarke in LA might be available. Man, if we could swing that, that would be a solid get. Blake has pressure to get out of the 1st round and not lose to Edmonton for the 4th year in a row.

[KG]

Damn! wonder what they will do now.

[KG]

Let's not overthink this KD. Markets change from buyers to sellers. Have to strike while the iron's hot!

[Michael74]

Damn! wonder what they will do now.

Panic?

[Michael74]

Let's not overthink this KD. Markets change from buyers to sellers. Have to strike while the iron's hot!

This is where KD needs to earn his money. We're still over 46 hours to go, plenty of time.

[Pitts]

Damn! wonder what they will do now.

Current rumor is Nelson and Palmeri from NYI.

[Michael74]

Some rumblings Clarke in LA might be available. Man, if we could swing that, that would be a solid get. Blake has pressure to get out of the 1st round and not lose to Edmonton for the 4th year in a row.

I saw that. I like Clarke, but defensively he's somewhat of a ?.

Clarke, a '26 1st, Moore for Rakell, a '25 3rd and Beauvillier.

[thehockeyguru]

Well I really thought Dubas would have pulled the trigger at least once by now

[lemieuxReturns]

Well I really thought Dubas would have pulled the trigger at least once by now

With what was traded today, I would have to think that the offers are pretty big and Dubas is just trying to figure out what to do.

[Michael74]

Well I really thought Dubas would have pulled the trigger at least once by now

Let's wait a bit. If this were friday at 1:30 pm I'd be nervous also. Still a good bit of time.

[FLPensFan]

Well I really thought Dubas would have pulled the trigger at least once by now

With what was traded today, I would have to think that the offers are pretty big and Dubas is just trying to figure out what to do.

Well, he did send Doug Wilson to go the GM Show with Getzoff today...so, he's probably busy working on Beauvillier and Grzelcyk.....extensions. Both have said they want to stay.