You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
Some in the media taking the position that winning these meaningless games actually does something to preserving the winning standard here.
Hard stop right there. What about last season when they went on that heater to end the season, then they came out the beginning this season and crapped the bed.
Winning games when there is no pressure playing against teams that are taking us lightly because we stink, isn’t something that should sway KD’s plans or anything.
Agreed. I'm of the mindset that there are quite a few things happening with this team that should have gotten Sullivan fired, beyond the normal ones:
--3 years in a row of extremely slow starts
--2 years in a row of complete collapse at the end of the season with playoffs in sight
--ungodly amount of odd man rushes
--ungodly amount of first shot and first 5 shot goals
--ungodly amount of giving up the first goal
--ungodly amount of games with zero effort
Put yeah, let's all give a nice golf clap because now that the games mean nothing, they can win some games. We dropped to 7th in the lottery with our win and Anaheim's loss. Philly is right on cusp of dropping below us and pushing us to 8th. Schaefer, Misa, Hagens, Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell, Eklund, McQueen. We are in danger of getting the worst of the "best," which most feel is Roger McQueen. Fair or not due to his injury, most feel of the top guys, he has the biggest chance to be a bust or is highly overrated.
Never seen a group of media be such team cheerleaders, where media and the organization is so out of touch with the attitude of the fans. They fear lose the core, but the fans have already started not attending because of the poor play. And most would rather see a bunch of young guys put in effort than lose than a bunch of mid 30s guys with no future here give a poor effort and lose.
100% with you. Hopefully the Devils come with an honest effort. Despite us winning last game we really didn't generate a lot and held on for dear life. IF Jersey plays close to a very good game maybe we lose. SEA and ANA won. A PIT loss is important, or we're really in a bind regarding the lottery.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Easier to look at the future as a fan than the players. From our perspective, losing gets them better players and a better future. From a fans perspective it's pragmatic and not a losers mentality. For us it's entertainment. For the players, this is their livelihood and they will try to win even if Milan Kraft is the top line center. Not only are they competitive by nature but they're playing for a contract, not to get waived, for their NHL legacy, etc. Teams get a losers mentality from frustration, bad coaching, etc. but rarely do players actually give up.
I want them to get a top 5 pick but have trouble hoping they'll lose night in and night out. For me, I'm just less frustrated by the losses because it has become expected.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Easier to look at the future as a fan than the players. From our perspective, losing gets them better players and a better future. From a fans perspective it's pragmatic and not a losers mentality. For us it's entertainment. For the players, this is their livelihood and they will try to win even if Milan Kraft is the top line center. Not only are they competitive by nature but they're playing for a contract, not to get waived, for their NHL legacy, etc. Teams get a losers mentality from frustration, bad coaching, etc. but rarely do players actually give up.
I want them to get a top 5 pick but have trouble hoping they'll lose night in and night out. For me, I'm just less frustrated by the losses because it has become expected.
I'm with you there.
I'm not as frustrated with losses, we're currently not very good and should expect to lose against playoff teams most days. Do get frustrated when the team plays really well.. and turns it into a hopeless loss by whatever variable of the day.
Our defense looking like traffic pylons...
Our goalie breaking down which let's be fair, could be any of them this season but 8 times out of 10 is Jarry multiple times during consecutive games (cue the Jarry Defense Force theme song)...
Our forwards not covering back.
PK doing nothing for the team despite having #55 the Shot Block God Who Must Play Every Game
Forwards not putting biscuits in the cage (sorry that should read: run into a hot goalie)..
You could probably put together 10-12 games where Penguins were genuinely better than their opposition, by a decent margin and found a way to lose.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Easier to look at the future as a fan than the players. From our perspective, losing gets them better players and a better future. From a fans perspective it's pragmatic and not a losers mentality. For us it's entertainment. For the players, this is their livelihood and they will try to win even if Milan Kraft is the top line center. Not only are they competitive by nature but they're playing for a contract, not to get waived, for their NHL legacy, etc. Teams get a losers mentality from frustration, bad coaching, etc. but rarely do players actually give up.
I want them to get a top 5 pick but have trouble hoping they'll lose night in and night out. For me, I'm just less frustrated by the losses because it has become expected.
It's so ironic because he talks about Sid, yet we don't have a chance at a player like Sid if we weren't so brutal back then.
I remember when EJ called up several curtain jerkers from baltimore in '83-84 to sabotage the team back in Mario's draft year. Heck, He even admitted it in interviews a few years later. It wasn't pretty but it was successful, and five cups later here we are. If that decision wasn't made they'd be in KC or some such place. Gunners mentality keeps you from ever winning. Yet he doesn't see that I suppose.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
You play to win the game, full stop. Sorry if it interferes with your higher draft choice
Agreed, but assigning any sort of importance to these games is a bit of a stretch.
So when do the games start being important again?
When they are 4 pts. back of a playoff spot?
2 pts. back?
Where is the line?
Cuz they are 6 back currently after this win streak. I know it’s crazy to even consider, but there is a lot of hockey left to play and a lot of mediocre teams in front of them.
Saying there is no pressure on them now is a bit disingenuous. There are a lot of factors that go into deciding games at this point of the season. Teams like St. Louis, Minnesota, and Philly are fighting for their playoff lives right now. They know how important every game is left on the schedule. And if they think they can take it easy against one of the fiercest competitors and still one of the best player in the league in any of these games they will often be looking pretty silly by the end of the night.
Next season. We're 6 points out and we've played 2-3 more games more than most of the teams around us.
While there are plenty of holes in this team, the goaltending, from day one, has prevented them from making the playoffs. Jarry will soon revert back to form, this won't last.
According to Money Puck, the Pens chances to make the playoffs are literally .2%. This is the same thing they did last season where they went on a hot streak after they were out of it. The players and coaching staff all talked a great game about how they wanted bring that momentum from last season into this season. Then they of course stumble out of the gates and have been out of it for months. Fool me once...
The Pens have become a team that playoff teams and contenders now take lightly.
According to Money Puck, the Pens chances to make the playoffs are literally .2%. This is the same thing they did last season where they went on a hot streak after they were out of it.
MoneyPuck also lists the Rangers chance of making the playoffs at 54% and Montreal’s chances at 22% currently even though Montreal has 2 games in hand and only trails the Rangers by 1 point. Unless somewhere they can explain their reasoning for this strange discrepancy I will continue to view their entire site and overall analysis as highly flawed and untrustworthy.
The statistical chance of those two teams making the playoffs should be far closer than they state especially with so many games left in the season. Also looking at the fact that the Rangers remaining schedule is a very difficult one. 12 of their remaining 14 games are against playoff teams or teams fighting desperately to secure the final wildcard spot. Makes no sense.
Really? Well, when the pressure was on they didn't win very much now did they? Winning now only damages the team for the future.
Look, they're missing the playoffs for three years in a row now. And IF you wanna see Sid make the playoffs at some point, you better hope they start losing or next year and the year after, this will be a repeat performance. Nah, being mediocre is not where you wanna be.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
Both are true. I don't expect the players to phone it in, but winning at this point does not help the organization.
They haven't won a playoff series in 6 years, and even if they somehow make it into the playoffs, it will become 7 years. It's not as if the roster is loaded with uber winners.
That’s a loser’s mentality. If you chose to lose in life , in any form or design, I have no time for you. Simply having that attitude 100% creates , adopts and accepts being a loser. Go sit in front of Sid and “lay out your plan”. Good luck.
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
I understand the mentality of players just fine. I'm speaking to the matter from a management perspective, and while taking a practical approach. I don't blame the players exactly although where was this mentality months ago when it could have mattered? I blame the powers that be for letting them succeed at the most inopportune time. Case in point not moving Rakell. If he were shipped off it would have made it harder for the team to score goals, thus impeding their ability to win games to finish out the season. It also hinders our ability to garner assets for the future by not picking in the top six or seven.. THAT'S the kind of thing that would have long term benefits. If you took away Rakell, you're very likely lower in the standings. That's something upper management could have done for the long term betterment of the team.
I just find it interesting that if the players want to win every game soooooo badly, why then didn't they play like it most of the season? Not that I think they as a whole are very talented, but where was this ''never say die'' attitude prior?
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
I understand the mentality of players just fine. I'm speaking to the matter from a management perspective, and while taking a practical approach. I don't blame the players exactly although where was this mentality months ago when it could have mattered? I blame the powers that be for letting them succeed at the most inopportune time. Case in point not moving Rakell. If he were shipped off it would have made it harder for the team to score goals, thus impeding their ability to win games to finish out the season. It also hinders our ability to garner assets for the future by not picking in the top six or seven.. THAT'S the kind of thing that would have long term benefits. If you took away Rakell, you're very likely lower in the standings. That's something upper management could have done for the long term betterment of the team.
I just find it interesting that if the players want to win every game soooooo badly, why then didn't they play like it most of the season? Not that I think they as a whole are very talented, but where was this ''never say die'' attitude prior?
I think that's coaching. While I think Sullivan tries to coach for 82 games, his system is setup for short tournaments and playoff series. The Penguins can't win in the playoffs because they're so worn out by the time they get here. They won the two cups because they were able to maintain energy for the entire season and playoffs.
Without that mentality we don't have Mario and thus don't have a franchise! Sid for that matter as well. It's not about being a loser, it's about maximizing the circumstances in your favor.
A losers mentality is not having a bigger picture outlook and wanting instant success or gratification. But in doing so keeping you on a losing path in perpetuity. That is what being a loser is all about!
So Ironic, the view point you espouse is completely counter intuitive to having generational players like Sid and Mario. Again, without players like them and stinking up the joint in the standings to get them, we wouldn't have a team. Being mediocre gets us nowhere. And you're not a winner when you're mediocre. Your mentality keeps us in the middle. Win meaningless games now, yeah that'll do this franchise a lot of good in five years.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
I understand the mentality of players just fine. I'm speaking to the matter from a management perspective, and while taking a practical approach. I don't blame the players exactly although where was this mentality months ago when it could have mattered? I blame the powers that be for letting them succeed at the most inopportune time. Case in point not moving Rakell. If he were shipped off it would have made it harder for the team to score goals, thus impeding their ability to win games to finish out the season. It also hinders our ability to garner assets for the future by not picking in the top six or seven.. THAT'S the kind of thing that would have long term benefits. If you took away Rakell, you're very likely lower in the standings. That's something upper management could have done for the long term betterment of the team.
I just find it interesting that if the players want to win every game soooooo badly, why then didn't they play like it most of the season? Not that I think they as a whole are very talented, but where was this ''never say die'' attitude prior?
I really dont think Dubas has free hands on all roster management, I really dont - I think he is influenced a lot by Sullivan and also Sid, BUT also Dubas himself doesnt want to go into full rebuild, but soft rebuild or retool whatever you want to call it.
but yeah, tanking must be done is biggest way by KD and Sullivan, players cant and wont do that much in that department.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
I understand the mentality of players just fine. I'm speaking to the matter from a management perspective, and while taking a practical approach. I don't blame the players exactly although where was this mentality months ago when it could have mattered? I blame the powers that be for letting them succeed at the most inopportune time. Case in point not moving Rakell. If he were shipped off it would have made it harder for the team to score goals, thus impeding their ability to win games to finish out the season. It also hinders our ability to garner assets for the future by not picking in the top six or seven.. THAT'S the kind of thing that would have long term benefits. If you took away Rakell, you're very likely lower in the standings. That's something upper management could have done for the long term betterment of the team.
I just find it interesting that if the players want to win every game soooooo badly, why then didn't they play like it most of the season? Not that I think they as a whole are very talented, but where was this ''never say die'' attitude prior?
I think that's coaching. While I think Sullivan tries to coach for 82 games, his system is setup for short tournaments and playoff series. The Penguins can't win in the playoffs because they're so worn out by the time they get here. They won the two cups because they were able to maintain energy for the entire season and playoffs.
That’s exactly what a loser would say. The Lemieux example is apples and oranges. That team was already filled with low performers both on the ice, in management and ownership. That mentality got them to the bottom. They got lucky in both accounts. This team is filled with high performers both on and off the ice. Ownership, over multiple examples and leagues , are exceptional and winners. The front office now seems to have a well calculated plan on increasing the talent level across the board. So no , it’s not the same thing. Losers can’t and shouldn’t be tolerated. Good luck .
Your mentality lacks nuance and context, which will keep you in a never ending state of stagnation. That's not what winners do. This team hasn't won since 2018, so it's better to forge a different path than one that has been a dead end for quite some time.
The inability to evolve and adapt is what losers do, you're displaying that philosophy in your rhetoric. Incorrigibility would be another word for it.
Accruing high picks and prospects doesn't guarantee success, but at least there's an opportunity there to derive success if you draft and develop effectively. Conversely, staying on our current trajectory most certainly won't work. It's as foolish as beating your head off the wall and hoping that gets you somewhere.
Did you ever played serious sports? Because it doesnt seem you understand the mentality of players, especially those who already won something.. you cant compare horrible team before we drafted Mario and this team now.. even tho they might miss playoffs again?! You as fan want to lose and get higher picks, players DONT give a **** about getting pick higher than #5 or whatever! They have morals and standards - they wont lose on purpose, period!
Management and coaches can tank the team, players at least current ones, wont! Do you understand the difference? I think you can imagine how it works
I understand the mentality of players just fine. I'm speaking to the matter from a management perspective, and while taking a practical approach. I don't blame the players exactly although where was this mentality months ago when it could have mattered? I blame the powers that be for letting them succeed at the most inopportune time. Case in point not moving Rakell. If he were shipped off it would have made it harder for the team to score goals, thus impeding their ability to win games to finish out the season. It also hinders our ability to garner assets for the future by not picking in the top six or seven.. THAT'S the kind of thing that would have long term benefits. If you took away Rakell, you're very likely lower in the standings. That's something upper management could have done for the long term betterment of the team.
I just find it interesting that if the players want to win every game soooooo badly, why then didn't they play like it most of the season? Not that I think they as a whole are very talented, but where was this ''never say die'' attitude prior?
I really dont think Dubas has free hands on all roster management, I really dont - I think he is influenced a lot by Sullivan and also Sid, BUT also Dubas himself doesnt want to go into full rebuild, but soft rebuild or retool whatever you want to call it.
but yeah, tanking must be done is biggest way by KD and Sullivan, players cant and wont do that much in that department.
I think he makes the vast majority of decisions but gives a lot of latitude to Sullivan. Which in theory could be helpful when inevitably Sullivan is canned. That said, that's a ways away.
I just find it interesting that if the players want to win every game soooooo badly, why then didn't they play like it most of the season? Not that I think they as a whole are very talented, but where was this ''never say die'' attitude prior?
Isn’t that why they play the games?
You don’t just hand the Oilers the Cup after Game 1 because Conor McDavid is such a great player and wants to win it so bad.
Same with any sport across the board. They all want to win REAL bad, but there’s only one Champion at the end of the year. This team clearly has too many flaws between the lines to overcome despite having some great talent in certain areas that always makes them dangerous.
Agree with you on management not doing a better job at tanking if that’s what they decided. Not the player’s fault.
We need to suck and suck badly post Sid and Geno. Top 1-3 picks for a few years and you set your self up for multiple runs —- outside of that we go the Vegas route
We need to suck and suck badly post Sid and Geno. Top 1-3 picks for a few years and you set your self up for multiple runs —- outside of that we go the Vegas route
