2025 NHL Draft

[FLPensFan]

Maybe before the list of young Penguins goalies term out / lose shelf life, one, two, three of them are bargaining chips in the draft? Jarry and Ned seem capable / ripe pickings for trade of a second or third round pick in return as backup players next season.

KD makes / breaks his legacy as GM with as much draft picks as he has at his disposal. Hextal / Burke set the bar of utter incompetence so freaking low that any breathing GM should be able to best.

I figured one of our goalies would be cream and sugar to add to another teams coffee.

Before Jarry became Jarry again, I would have almost considered dealing Blomqvist to a goalie needy team, and riding Jarry/Larsson next year while Murashov cooks in the AHL next year.

But at this point, I'd almost prefer to dump Jarry (easier said than done) and Ned, bring up Larsson with Blomqvist, or find another cheap goalie to pair with Larsson/Blomqvist next year. I have zero faith in Ned or Jarry moving forward.

[BigMcK]

Maybe before the list of young Penguins goalies term out / lose shelf life, one, two, three of them are bargaining chips in the draft? Jarry and Ned seem capable / ripe pickings for trade of a second or third round pick in return as backup players next season.

KD makes / breaks his legacy as GM with as much draft picks as he has at his disposal. Hextal / Burke set the bar of utter incompetence so freaking low that any breathing GM should be able to best.

I figured one of our goalies would be cream and sugar to add to another teams coffee.

Before Jarry became Jarry again, I would have almost considered dealing Blomqvist to a goalie needy team, and riding Jarry/Larsson next year while Murashov cooks in the AHL next year.

But at this point, I'd almost prefer to dump Jarry (easier said than done) and Ned, bring up Larsson with Blomqvist, or find another cheap goalie to pair with Larsson/Blomqvist next year. I have zero faith in Ned or Jarry moving forward.

I see that there is a lack of depth of goalies in this draft and as GM, I package Jarry earned us xxx wins, and Ned earned us xxx wins on a team that was defensive deficient during the season
Not them, but the Defensemen. Pump.the tires like you are a used car salesman---- yet honest.

[Pens4Life]

Maybe before the list of young Penguins goalies term out / lose shelf life, one, two, three of them are bargaining chips in the draft? Jarry and Ned seem capable / ripe pickings for trade of a second or third round pick in return as backup players next season.

KD makes / breaks his legacy as GM with as much draft picks as he has at his disposal. Hextal / Burke set the bar of utter incompetence so freaking low that any breathing GM should be able to best.

I figured one of our goalies would be cream and sugar to add to another teams coffee.

Before Jarry became Jarry again, I would have almost considered dealing Blomqvist to a goalie needy team, and riding Jarry/Larsson next year while Murashov cooks in the AHL next year.

But at this point, I'd almost prefer to dump Jarry (easier said than done) and Ned, bring up Larsson with Blomqvist, or find another cheap goalie to pair with Larsson/Blomqvist next year. I have zero faith in Ned or Jarry moving forward.

Thats what I was saying too a while ago, thats why I hoped Ned would be traded at deadline and Larsson would be brought up.

Then Jarry traded with retention in summer and we have Larsson, Blomquist in NHL, Murashov as no.1 in AHL, Gauthier backup

[Victor]

I'd be VERY surprised if Jarry is moved any time soon. At this point, an asset would have to be attached and I don't see Dubas doint it. This team should be doing the opposite - receiving assets to acquire bad contracts, just as they did with Hayes and Glass.

As thin as the goalie market will be this summer, I doubt any team would be interested in him, even with retention, a sweetener etc. Ned himself is a much, much more attractive goalie as a backup option.

[Michael74]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

[Puck-Lurker]

I'd be VERY surprised if Jarry is moved any time soon. At this point, an asset would have to be attached and I don't see Dubas doint it. This team should be doing the opposite - receiving assets to acquire bad contracts, just as they did with Hayes and Glass.

As thin as the goalie market will be this summer, I doubt any team would be interested in him, even with retention, a sweetener etc. Ned himself is a much, much more attractive goalie as a backup option.

I'd favour trading either or both. Probably will be neither.

Jarry has built himself the wrong reputation, but has a legit ceiling as a top 10 goalie. He's been completely unplayable gargabe for such a long time though and his contract isn't so much expensive as it is quite long. Also for clauses: he doesn't WANT to leave, fwiw. Also been sent down, outright waived confirmed his lack of value to other teams at the time, there's enough stink on him.

Ned is an affordable option for other teams. Showed some very good backup duty, taking the wheel at the end of last season pretty well. Not a starting goalie though, and has struggled this season. With some howlers of games, losing some of what set him apart from Jarry. If picked up, he's at least not a mistake a GM is stuck with for long, but aren't there better options around? Like trading for a young 3rd string from other teams, or their backup goalie, if the #3 is good enough to be the bigger loss.

If Pens are taking crap contracts for picks.. I'm generally not interested unless we're bringing in first rounders this year. Maybe some kind of deal where two cheaper roster guys get dumped in return and a 2nd comes in.. but Dubas wouldn't do that.

[Michael74]

Lose today in regulation and the world looks a whole lot better. Take a dive like the Bruins!

[Antonio]

Jarry would likely cost retention to unload but honestly with the current and likely future cap, I'd rather pay 2.7m to unload Jarry. Someone will take him at half price. Might even get something small back.

[Pitts]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

No, we do not. Pens were the laughing stock of the league for decades thanks to that tank job.

[Michael74]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

No, we do not. Pens were the laughing stock of the league for decades thanks to that tank job.

And we end up with Mario Lemieux, pretty fair trade off.

[Victor]

Jarry would likely cost retention to unload but honestly with the current and likely future cap, I'd rather pay 2.7m to unload Jarry. Someone will take him at half price. Might even get something small back.

Unfortunately I don't think anybody would pay to acquire Jarry even with retention. I see it as a situation similar to Cal Petersen, where LA had to pay a LOT to get rid of him: 2nd rounder, prospect, roster player and retention on another player involved in a 3-way deal.

Maybe Seatlle would be interested in a swap with Grubauer, or something similar with another franchise, bad contract for bad contract. At this point I believe a buyout is more likely than a trade anyways.

[Pens4Life]

2.7M for Jarry for someone might be worth the risk, even if he is just a backup. I think Pens could trade him with 50% retention or to round it up to 3M per to leave on his contract.

Karlsson, Graves and Jarry huge contracts,damn...imagine what you could do with those almost 20M?!

Maybe some pick would be worth trading away to get at least one albatross contract off the team or swap for another under performing player with similar contract.

[Victor]

Taking a look at potential UFA goalies (and their ages) this summer after the recent extensions for Blackwood, Vejmelka, Hill, Lankinen and Thompson:

Vladar 27
Samsonov 28
Georgiev 29
Vanecek 29
Johansson 29
Forsberg 32
Lyon 32
Rittich 32
Allen 34
Andersen 35
Reimer 37

If a team is looking for a backup, they have options that will likely sign for 2.7M or less without spending any assets. They also don't have to be tied to a questionable backup for 3 years.

[FLPensFan]

If anyone is interested in watching some of the Junior hockey players in the playoffs, you can watch WHL game for free on a site called Victory+ Free signup. I was watching Brandon (Roger McQueen) vs Lethbridge (Brayden Yager) the other night, as well as caught the end of the Seattle (Radim Mrtka) game.

Unfortunately, OHL and QMJHL appear to be on a site (watch.chl.tv I think) that requires payment. You can pay $10 for a 24 hour pass if you really want, or like $30 for a month.

[Gunnerfan]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

Respect nobody with a losers mentality. There’s no Mario Lemieux in this Holmes. Losers being losers.

[Michael74]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

Respect nobody with a losers mentality. There’s no Mario Lemieux in this Holmes. Losers being losers.

Oh, so IF there were a Lemieux it would be ok to be a ''loser''? Exactly what I thought. An uneven argument. It's not that you're being moral or ethical, it's that you're being ''selectively'' moral or ethical.

There's no Lemieux, but there are good players who could help this team for the future. That should be the point of emphasis, trying to improve. That's what Winners do, evolve and Adapt! Winning now in garbage time when nothing is on the line, that's being a loser! This team hasn't won a meaningful game since 2018.

And when this team had a chance to win their last five playoff series, guess what sunshine, THEY LOST over and over and over again! That's being a loser. Not winning a playoff series for SEVEN YEARS, THAT'S being a loser! Maybe try something different because this formula isn't working!

[Puck-Lurker]

Same old being same old..

But Koivunen and McGroarty don't look out of place - at all.

[Victor]

Taking a bit of a deeper dive on teams that might be looking for a goalie next summer...

These are teams that have at least two goalies under contract next season:
PACIFIC
Edmonton - Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard
Seattle - Joey Daccord and Philipp Grubauer
Vancouver - Kevin Lankinen and Thatcher Demko

CENTRAL
Chicago - Spencer Knight and Laurent Brossoit. Brossoit haven't played all season. Arvid Söderblom is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
Colorado - MacKenzie Blackwood and Scott Wedgewood
Dallas - Jake Oettinger and Casey DeSmith
Nashville - Juuse Saros and Justus Annunen
Utah - Karel Vejmelka, Connor Ingram and Matt Villalta. Ingram joined NHLPA's player assistance program less than a month ago.
Winnipeg - Connor Hellebuyck and Eric Comrie.

METROPOLITAN
NY Islanders - Ilya Sorokin, Semyon Varlamov and Marcus Högberg. Varlamov is currently in LTIR.
NY Rangers - Igor Shesterkin and Jonathan Quick
Philadelphia - Ivan Fedotov, Samuel Ersson and Alexei Kolosov
Pittsburgh - Tristan Jarry and Alex Nedeljkovic
Washington - Logan Thompson and Charlie Lindgren

ATLANTIC
Boston - Jeremy Swayman and Joonas Korpisalo
Detroit - Petr Mrázek and Cam Talbot
Toronto - Anthony Stolarz and Joseph Woll

These teams have one goalie signed for next season that is currently in their NHL roster:
PACIFIC
Anaheim - John Gibson Lukáš Dostál is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
Calgary - Dustin Wolf. Dan Vladař is a pending UFA.
LA - Darcy Kuemper. David Rittich is a pending UFA.
Vegas - Adin Hill. Ilya Samsonov is a pending UFA.

CENTRAL
Minnesota - Filip Gustavsson. MAF will retire. Jesper Wallstedt is in the minors, but is signed to a NHL contract starting next season.
St. Louis - Jordan Binnington. Joel Hofer is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.

METROPOLITAN
Carolina - Pyotr Kochetkov. Frederik Andersen is a pending UFA.
Columbus - Elvis Merzļikins. Daniil Tarasov is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
NJ - Jacob Markström. Jake Allen is a pending UFA.

ATLANTIC
Buffalo - Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen. James Reimer is a pending UFA.
Florida - Sergei Bobrovsky. Vítek Vaněček is a pending UFA.
Montreal - Sam Montembeault. Jakub Dobeš is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
Ottawa - Linus Ullmark. Anton Forsberg is a pending UFA.
Tampa Bay - Andrei Vasilevskiy. Jonas Johansson is a pending UFA.

There's also San Jose, than don't have any goalie signed for next season. It's fair to assume it will be Askarov's next next season. They will need a backup or a 1B.

Some thoughts:
- 16 teams already have at least 2 goalies signed for next season in their current NHL roster. That's half the league, including Pittsburgh. Minnesota will promote Wallstedt, so there are 17 teams with no spots available.
- Of the other 15 teams, Anaheim, St. Louis, Columbus and Montreal have RFAs to resign. I'll assume resigning these guys is a better option than trading for Jarry.
- That leaves 11 teams with a spot open. Some might want to give a younger player already in their system a chance to fight for a spot before signing a veteran. For example, LA has Erik Portillo in the minors. He's 24 now and signed to a one-way contract for two more seasons. They could bring a third stringer to give him some competition instead of a backup/1B type.
- There won't likely be a lot of teams looking for a goalie there are probably more guys hitting the market than backup spots available. Jarry also isn't cheap, even as a backup option. I think it's very unlikely for a team like Tampa to have ~3M commited to a questionable backup at best when they spent league minimum at this position in the past few seasons.
- Jarry has a 12-team NTC. How many of the other 20 are actually looking for a goalie?

[dark_forces]

Taking a bit of a deeper dive on teams that might be looking for a goalie next summer...

These are teams that have at least two goalies under contract next season:
PACIFIC
Edmonton - Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard
Seattle - Joey Daccord and Philipp Grubauer
Vancouver - Kevin Lankinen and Thatcher Demko

CENTRAL
Chicago - Spencer Knight and Laurent Brossoit. Brossoit haven't played all season. Arvid Söderblom is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
Colorado - MacKenzie Blackwood and Scott Wedgewood
Dallas - Jake Oettinger and Casey DeSmith
Nashville - Juuse Saros and Justus Annunen
Utah - Karel Vejmelka, Connor Ingram and Matt Villalta. Ingram joined NHLPA's player assistance program less than a month ago.
Winnipeg - Connor Hellebuyck and Eric Comrie.

METROPOLITAN
NY Islanders - Ilya Sorokin, Semyon Varlamov and Marcus Högberg. Varlamov is currently in LTIR.
NY Rangers - Igor Shesterkin and Jonathan Quick
Philadelphia - Ivan Fedotov, Samuel Ersson and Alexei Kolosov
Pittsburgh - Tristan Jarry and Alex Nedeljkovic
Washington - Logan Thompson and Charlie Lindgren

ATLANTIC
Boston - Jeremy Swayman and Joonas Korpisalo
Detroit - Petr Mrázek and Cam Talbot
Toronto - Anthony Stolarz and Joseph Woll

These teams have one goalie signed for next season that is currently in their NHL roster:
PACIFIC
Anaheim - John Gibson Lukáš Dostál is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
Calgary - Dustin Wolf. Dan Vladař is a pending UFA.
LA - Darcy Kuemper. David Rittich is a pending UFA.
Vegas - Adin Hill. Ilya Samsonov is a pending UFA.

CENTRAL
Minnesota - Filip Gustavsson. MAF will retire. Jesper Wallstedt is in the minors, but is signed to a NHL contract starting next season.
St. Louis - Jordan Binnington. Joel Hofer is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.

METROPOLITAN
Carolina - Pyotr Kochetkov. Frederik Andersen is a pending UFA.
Columbus - Elvis Merzļikins. Daniil Tarasov is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
NJ - Jacob Markström. Jake Allen is a pending UFA.

ATLANTIC
Buffalo - Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen. James Reimer is a pending UFA.
Florida - Sergei Bobrovsky. Vítek Vaněček is a pending UFA.
Montreal - Sam Montembeault. Jakub Dobeš is a RFA eliglible for arbitration.
Ottawa - Linus Ullmark. Anton Forsberg is a pending UFA.
Tampa Bay - Andrei Vasilevskiy. Jonas Johansson is a pending UFA.

There's also San Jose, than don't have any goalie signed for next season. It's fair to assume it will be Askarov's next next season. They will need a backup or a 1B.

Some thoughts:
- 16 teams already have at least 2 goalies signed for next season in their current NHL roster. That's half the league, including Pittsburgh. Minnesota will promote Wallstedt, so there are 17 teams with no spots available.
- Of the other 15 teams, Anaheim, St. Louis, Columbus and Montreal have RFAs to resign. I'll assume resigning these guys is a better option than trading for Jarry.
- That leaves 11 teams with a spot open. Some might want to give a younger player already in their system a chance to fight for a spot before signing a veteran. For example, LA has Erik Portillo in the minors. He's 24 now and signed to a one-way contract for two more seasons. They could bring a third stringer to give him some competition instead of a backup/1B type.
- There won't likely be a lot of teams looking for a goalie there are probably more guys hitting the market than backup spots available. Jarry also isn't cheap, even as a backup option. I think it's very unlikely for a team like Tampa to have ~3M commited to a questionable backup at best when they spent league minimum at this position in the past few seasons.
- Jarry has a 12-team NTC. How many of the other 20 are actually looking for a goalie?

The Pens goalie situation will be one of the more intriguing dramas to watch play out. I think they deal Nedeljkovic for a 3rd round pick, or something like that, and just keep Jarry for another year and pair him with Blomqvist or Larsson. I think we're stuck with Jarry, but if he keeps playing like he has the past few weeks, a desperate team may take a flyer on him sometime next season.

[Gunnerfan]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

Respect nobody with a losers mentality. There’s no Mario Lemieux in this Holmes. Losers being losers.

Oh, so IF there were a Lemieux it would be ok to be a ''loser''? Exactly what I thought. An uneven argument. It's not that you're being moral or ethical, it's that you're being ''selectively'' moral or ethical.

There's no Lemieux, but there are good players who could help this team for the future. That should be the point of emphasis, trying to improve. That's what Winners do, evolve and Adapt! Winning now in garbage time when nothing is on the line, that's being a loser! This team hasn't won a meaningful game since 2018.

And when this team had a chance to win their last five playoff series, guess what sunshine, THEY LOST over and over and over again! That's being a loser. Not winning a playoff series for SEVEN YEARS, THAT'S being a loser! Maybe try something different because this formula isn't working!

So you're answering your own questions? Lol, I got it. I'm not taking a moralistic stand; I'm taking a stand for continuing to play hard and not giving up when it would be easy, as you must do. I side with greatness, and that's Crosby. If he is still fighting and giving every ounce of his talent and effort, then I'm in as well.
Stand aside and let the men do their work, not give up like children.

[Michael74]

You have to respect the Bruins for throwing all these games! Less than 25 shots in each of the last nine games. Reminds me of the '83-84 Penguins.

Respect nobody with a losers mentality. There’s no Mario Lemieux in this Holmes. Losers being losers.

Oh, so IF there were a Lemieux it would be ok to be a ''loser''? Exactly what I thought. An uneven argument. It's not that you're being moral or ethical, it's that you're being ''selectively'' moral or ethical.

There's no Lemieux, but there are good players who could help this team for the future. That should be the point of emphasis, trying to improve. That's what Winners do, evolve and Adapt! Winning now in garbage time when nothing is on the line, that's being a loser! This team hasn't won a meaningful game since 2018.

And when this team had a chance to win their last five playoff series, guess what sunshine, THEY LOST over and over and over again! That's being a loser. Not winning a playoff series for SEVEN YEARS, THAT'S being a loser! Maybe try something different because this formula isn't working!

So you're answering your own questions? Lol, I got it. I'm not taking a moralistic stand; I'm taking a stand for continuing to play hard and not giving up when it would be easy, as you must do. I side with greatness, and that's Crosby. If he is still fighting and giving every ounce of his talent and effort, then I'm in as well.
Stand aside and let the men do their work, not give up like children.

Those ''men'' haven't had much success since 2018, have they? Crosby fighting for precious points in meaningless games does what exactly, other than potentially hurt this team in the future? We should turn the page from ineptitude, yet you wanna embrace it because you're a Crosby fanboi apparently.

I side with pragmatism, taking a strategic approach and manipulating the circumstances to garner the best result for the team now and the future.

For the last time, winning meaningless games now isn't winning! It's shameful! They haven't won relevant games going on EIGHT YEARS! THAT'S what losers do. And Sullivan, Crosby, Jarry and the rest of the core do it so well. They LOSE when it matters. That simply is not winning. But they show no quit and try hard, right? Where has that got them the last seven years, huh? Where?

And here's the difference in our stances. They'll never achieve success with your mindset. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That's insanity and incorrigibility.

Let me know the next time Sid captains this team to a playoff series win.

[john66]

Is this guy seriously questioning Sid???????

[Michael74]

I question any player who wants to keep Sullivan around for as long and ineffective as he's been. Make no mistake if Sid didn't want Sullivan to be here he wouldn't be. Yes I question that after years and years of futility and underachieving, damn straight! Anyone with even a modicum of common sense should question it as well. This core is tethered to the coach. If you have issues with this coach then you should have issues with the core. They're all to blame. You can't just cherry pick here and bury the coach while praising a core that hasn't won in quite some time. That's an unbalanced and disingenuous argument.

[stonewizard51]

Sid is one of, if not the, hardest working NHL players. It's not in his DNA to tank

[Michael74]

Sid is a great player, Geno as well. I just question their wisdom and judgement in wanting to keep Sullivan around.