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FLPensFan wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:55 pm
DeHaven162 wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:59 am
KG wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:24 am
KD was on a John Shannon podcast. He was asked what positions need the most upgrades on the NHL roster.

KD said centers and left hand d men. Wonder if they plan on moving Geno to wing next season? I like the idea of Novak as 3C because that will allow them to hopefully get back to 3 scoring lines.

I know that we need top 6 centers in the near future but I wouldn’t have put center as a big need for next season.
I would agree with KD on the center position. Don't really know what we have with Novak, unfortunate injury timing. And Malkin at 2C is one of the main issues on this team, and no one is willing to admit that. I've said before, he'll still get some points due to natural talent, and he shows some legs for random three game stretches, but other than that, he's a black hole at such an important spot on the depth chart.
So, maybe we've been looking at the draft all wrong. I've mentioned before I would have loved to have been aggressive in offer sheeting Wyatt Johnston...then the cap went up dramatically....then he signed a long term deal. I'd go back and see what it would take to get Mason MacTavish out of Anaheim. Would they take the Rangers 1st (this year), a 3rd, and maybe someone like Ponomarev?

MacTavish just turned 22 years old. He has three 40+ point seasons, including 20 goals, 28 assists this year in 68 NHL games. A little low for 2nd line center, but he's quite young and still has some potential upside. There was some potential friction with the coach when Cronin described him as “Mac is a third-line guy that has offensive ability,” to reporters. He'd step in and play NEXT SEASON, whereas a Desnoyers, Frondell, etc, may be 2-4 years away from sniffing NHL ice.

If we use some draft capital on MacTavish, then with our earlier pick, we take an Eklund, Martone, Mrtka, Smith, etc.

The part about needing LD is true, but also a bit scary. Someone asked Taylor Haase which defensemen likely won't be on the team next year. Her response...Grzelcyk and Kolyachonok. That's shocking on a couple different levels to me (Taylor is anti-Kolyachonok....did a great job of point out how his analytics sunk, but of course, never showed how they were team best for his first 4-5 games). The thing is, no mention of Letang or Karlsson being gone this summer. She also said in another reply that she expects Dubas to be very aggressive this summer.

Imagine:

Malkin-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-MacTavish-Koivunen
McGroarty-Novak-Tomasino
Hayes-Lizotte-Acciari

Not thrilled about that 4th line because as a unit, they haven't been incredibly great together. But getting to that type of top 9 would be a big step forward in the path to return to the playoffs. Maybe MacTavish doesn't end up being the guy, but hopefully, there is a younger, under 24 aged center out there that a team is willing to move away from for whatever reason. We missed one opportunity with Dylan Cozens, though I doubt we had the assets to even be in on it. But, this is they type of big move Dubas needs to be looking at.
I have nothing to base this on, but I could see Hayes being shipped out this summer. Obviously, it would require a sweetener for someone to take him, but I could see the Pens packaging a 4th round pick in 2027 to get him off the roster and open up some cap room. He's not getting paid that much, with the current retention, and only has a year left. That would open a legit spot for someone like Ponomarev, etc. or a cheaper free agent forward, or even Heinen—should he remain, which I'm not totally against.
This seems like an easier route than eating salary/years to get rid of Graves or Jarry.
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dark_forces wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 3:21 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:55 pm
DeHaven162 wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:59 am
KG wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:24 am
KD was on a John Shannon podcast. He was asked what positions need the most upgrades on the NHL roster.

KD said centers and left hand d men. Wonder if they plan on moving Geno to wing next season? I like the idea of Novak as 3C because that will allow them to hopefully get back to 3 scoring lines.

I know that we need top 6 centers in the near future but I wouldn’t have put center as a big need for next season.
I would agree with KD on the center position. Don't really know what we have with Novak, unfortunate injury timing. And Malkin at 2C is one of the main issues on this team, and no one is willing to admit that. I've said before, he'll still get some points due to natural talent, and he shows some legs for random three game stretches, but other than that, he's a black hole at such an important spot on the depth chart.
So, maybe we've been looking at the draft all wrong. I've mentioned before I would have loved to have been aggressive in offer sheeting Wyatt Johnston...then the cap went up dramatically....then he signed a long term deal. I'd go back and see what it would take to get Mason MacTavish out of Anaheim. Would they take the Rangers 1st (this year), a 3rd, and maybe someone like Ponomarev?

MacTavish just turned 22 years old. He has three 40+ point seasons, including 20 goals, 28 assists this year in 68 NHL games. A little low for 2nd line center, but he's quite young and still has some potential upside. There was some potential friction with the coach when Cronin described him as “Mac is a third-line guy that has offensive ability,” to reporters. He'd step in and play NEXT SEASON, whereas a Desnoyers, Frondell, etc, may be 2-4 years away from sniffing NHL ice.

If we use some draft capital on MacTavish, then with our earlier pick, we take an Eklund, Martone, Mrtka, Smith, etc.

The part about needing LD is true, but also a bit scary. Someone asked Taylor Haase which defensemen likely won't be on the team next year. Her response...Grzelcyk and Kolyachonok. That's shocking on a couple different levels to me (Taylor is anti-Kolyachonok....did a great job of point out how his analytics sunk, but of course, never showed how they were team best for his first 4-5 games). The thing is, no mention of Letang or Karlsson being gone this summer. She also said in another reply that she expects Dubas to be very aggressive this summer.

Imagine:

Malkin-Crosby-Rust
Rakell-MacTavish-Koivunen
McGroarty-Novak-Tomasino
Hayes-Lizotte-Acciari

Not thrilled about that 4th line because as a unit, they haven't been incredibly great together. But getting to that type of top 9 would be a big step forward in the path to return to the playoffs. Maybe MacTavish doesn't end up being the guy, but hopefully, there is a younger, under 24 aged center out there that a team is willing to move away from for whatever reason. We missed one opportunity with Dylan Cozens, though I doubt we had the assets to even be in on it. But, this is they type of big move Dubas needs to be looking at.
I have nothing to base this on, but I could see Hayes being shipped out this summer. Obviously, it would require a sweetener for someone to take him, but I could see the Pens packaging a 4th round pick in 2027 to get him off the roster and open up some cap room. He's not getting paid that much, with the current retention, and only has a year left. That would open a legit spot for someone like Ponomarev, etc. or a cheaper free agent forward, or even Heinen—should he remain, which I'm not totally against.
This seems like an easier route than eating salary/years to get rid of Graves or Jarry.
At 1 year just under $4m, I wouldn't give up anything to get rid of Hayes. First off, they have plenty of cap space, 2nd, he might be valuable as a rental at the deadline. He's had a nice year and can play up and down the lineup so really not a priority to trade.
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Of Hayes, Heinen, and Acciari, I'd probably prefer they leave in the following order:

--Acciari
--Heinen
--Hayes

I'm not an Acciari fan. Liked the idea initially, not the contract. Also not a fan of his skating, or that he's one of our most physical players as a sub 6 footer. He's good on faceoffs and he's good on the PK. I feel like Sullivan and Dubas are so enamored with those facts they overlook the warts.

Hayes has twice the output, much better size, similar faceoff stats, and while he is fading as he ages, I'd trust Hayes moving up the lineup and producing more than I would Acciari.

Heinen...I just don't see the point. Haven't seen enough of Novak to this point, but I'd rather give Novak, DeWar, and Tomasino the lineup spots over Heinen. I think he's been just ok since he returned.
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FLPensFan wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:52 pm
Of Hayes, Heinen, and Acciari, I'd probably prefer they leave in the following order:

--Acciari
--Heinen
--Hayes

I'm not an Acciari fan. Liked the idea initially, not the contract. Also not a fan of his skating, or that he's one of our most physical players as a sub 6 footer. He's good on faceoffs and he's good on the PK. I feel like Sullivan and Dubas are so enamored with those facts they overlook the warts.

Hayes has twice the output, much better size, similar faceoff stats, and while he is fading as he ages, I'd trust Hayes moving up the lineup and producing more than I would Acciari.

Heinen...I just don't see the point. Haven't seen enough of Novak to this point, but I'd rather give Novak, DeWar, and Tomasino the lineup spots over Heinen. I think he's been just ok since he returned.
Great post. Suffice to say, I think at least one of them won't be back next season.
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Agreed on that. Also, I think by next year's deadline they might all be gone.
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Pens Fans Sweden wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
https://www.st.nu/2025-04-03/hallanders ... -timra-ik/

Hållander himself confirms that he is joining the Penguins next season. This is great news! He had a tremendous season in the SHL this year and should be able to come in and contribute. Love it!

I'm guessing that his new contract is signed very soon.
Nice :thumb:
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Pens4Life wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:14 pm
Pens Fans Sweden wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
https://www.st.nu/2025-04-03/hallanders ... -timra-ik/

Hållander himself confirms that he is joining the Penguins next season. This is great news! He had a tremendous season in the SHL this year and should be able to come in and contribute. Love it!

I'm guessing that his new contract is signed very soon.
Nice :thumb:
Taylor Haase says he a LW now. Hasn't played center since he went back to Europe.
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FLPensFan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:08 am
Pens4Life wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:14 pm
Pens Fans Sweden wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
https://www.st.nu/2025-04-03/hallanders ... -timra-ik/

Hållander himself confirms that he is joining the Penguins next season. This is great news! He had a tremendous season in the SHL this year and should be able to come in and contribute. Love it!

I'm guessing that his new contract is signed very soon.
Nice :thumb:
Taylor Haase says he a LW now. Hasn't played center since he went back to Europe.
I checked some pages and 21yrs old Oliver Kapanen it seems was first line C for Timra and Hallander played wing, but he was slotted on RW on graph last games, but also played LW before yes.

Maybe he will be 2nd or 3rd line winger, anyway he should be regular player, as he seems defensively responsible and PK capable guy.

Hallander - Malkin - Koivunen
McGroarty - Novak - Tomasino (if he even stays, Sully khm)
2nd and 3rd lines look solid
also few younger guys who can compete for 4th line duty - Poulin, Ponomarev, A.Hayes
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Pens4Life wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:38 am
FLPensFan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:08 am
Pens4Life wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:14 pm
Pens Fans Sweden wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
https://www.st.nu/2025-04-03/hallanders ... -timra-ik/

Hållander himself confirms that he is joining the Penguins next season. This is great news! He had a tremendous season in the SHL this year and should be able to come in and contribute. Love it!

I'm guessing that his new contract is signed very soon.
Nice :thumb:
Taylor Haase says he a LW now. Hasn't played center since he went back to Europe.
I checked some pages and 21yrs old Oliver Kapanen it seems was first line C for Timra and Hallander played wing, but he was slotted on RW on graph last games, but also played LW before yes.

Maybe he will be 2nd or 3rd line winger, anyway he should be regular player, as he seems defensively responsible and PK capable guy.

Hallander - Malkin - Koivunen
McGroarty - Novak - Tomasino (if he even stays, Sully khm)
2nd and 3rd lines look solid
also few younger guys who can compete for 4th line duty - Poulin, Ponomarev, A.Hayes
Another reason Rakell should have been traded
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thehockeyguru wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 12:40 pm
Pens4Life wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:38 am
FLPensFan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:08 am
Pens4Life wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 10:14 pm
Pens Fans Sweden wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
https://www.st.nu/2025-04-03/hallanders ... -timra-ik/

Hållander himself confirms that he is joining the Penguins next season. This is great news! He had a tremendous season in the SHL this year and should be able to come in and contribute. Love it!

I'm guessing that his new contract is signed very soon.
Nice :thumb:
Taylor Haase says he a LW now. Hasn't played center since he went back to Europe.
I checked some pages and 21yrs old Oliver Kapanen it seems was first line C for Timra and Hallander played wing, but he was slotted on RW on graph last games, but also played LW before yes.

Maybe he will be 2nd or 3rd line winger, anyway he should be regular player, as he seems defensively responsible and PK capable guy.

Hallander - Malkin - Koivunen
McGroarty - Novak - Tomasino (if he even stays, Sully khm)
2nd and 3rd lines look solid
also few younger guys who can compete for 4th line duty - Poulin, Ponomarev, A.Hayes
Another reason Rakell should have been traded
I'd pump the brakes on Hallander expectations. Hopefully, he has grown and come into his own, but until he shows that his scoring success in the SHL can translate to the NHL, I can't envision him as anything better than a 3rd liner next season.
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My expectations on Hallander are zero but there are too many NHL forwards. I don't see any of our young forwards getting a fair shake with the log jam
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Geno is back at practice taking line rushes with Rakell and Koivunen.

That’s a fun top 6 if McG and Koivunen can keep it going.
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thehockeyguru wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:35 pm
My expectations on Hallander are zero but there are too many NHL forwards. I don't see any of our young forwards getting a fair shake with the log jam
I would tend to disagree. I would be very surprised at this point if McGroarty and Koivunen aren't here to stay, going into next season. I expect Pickering to be here next year, likely as a 3rd pairing d-man to start. I am hoping the Penguins give Brunicke a long look next season. The other 3 that could get some time at some point would be Broz, Ponomarev, and Blomqvist.

I've seen another media outlet now pickup that, unless the Penguins can move Karlsson (which is not a guarantee), Dubas plans to rebuild the LD...which means Grzelcyk and POJ are likely not returning. If we had some good LD prospects besides Pickering, this would be a great chance for them, but we don't have anyone that is ready and LD is thin.
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Any chance Král and Hollowell make the NHL at some point? Or are they seen mostly as younger versions of Trotman and Czuczman?
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There is Zero reason to be signing any bottom 6 fwds in FA. Go big or go home. Sully will have no option but to play and “develop” youth.

If he gets cranky about it offer him the chance to resign.
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FLPensFan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:52 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:35 pm
My expectations on Hallander are zero but there are too many NHL forwards. I don't see any of our young forwards getting a fair shake with the log jam
I would tend to disagree. I would be very surprised at this point if McGroarty and Koivunen aren't here to stay, going into next season. I expect Pickering to be here next year, likely as a 3rd pairing d-man to start. I am hoping the Penguins give Brunicke a long look next season. The other 3 that could get some time at some point would be Broz, Ponomarev, and Blomqvist.

I've seen another media outlet now pickup that, unless the Penguins can move Karlsson (which is not a guarantee), Dubas plans to rebuild the LD...which means Grzelcyk and POJ are likely not returning. If we had some good LD prospects besides Pickering, this would be a great chance for them, but we don't have anyone that is ready and LD is thin.
If that's the case then you are probably looking at something like.

McGroarty Crosby Rust
Rakell Malkin Koivunen
Hallander Novak Tomasino
Heinen Hayes Accari

Now defense gets tricky. I'd be fine with Kolyachonok and Timmons on the bottom pair. The problem is everyone else besides Pickering
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thehockeyguru wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 5:45 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 2:52 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:35 pm
My expectations on Hallander are zero but there are too many NHL forwards. I don't see any of our young forwards getting a fair shake with the log jam
I would tend to disagree. I would be very surprised at this point if McGroarty and Koivunen aren't here to stay, going into next season. I expect Pickering to be here next year, likely as a 3rd pairing d-man to start. I am hoping the Penguins give Brunicke a long look next season. The other 3 that could get some time at some point would be Broz, Ponomarev, and Blomqvist.

I've seen another media outlet now pickup that, unless the Penguins can move Karlsson (which is not a guarantee), Dubas plans to rebuild the LD...which means Grzelcyk and POJ are likely not returning. If we had some good LD prospects besides Pickering, this would be a great chance for them, but we don't have anyone that is ready and LD is thin.
If that's the case then you are probably looking at something like.

McGroarty Crosby Rust
Rakell Malkin Koivunen
Hallander Novak Tomasino
Heinen Hayes Accari

Now defense gets tricky. I'd be fine with Kolyachonok and Timmons on the bottom pair. The problem is everyone else besides Pickering
Lizotte is under contract for one more season, so there are your 13 forwards.

The thing about next year's roster, LD specifically, you have Kolyachonok, Graves, Shea, Pickering signed.

Shea and Kolyachonok will make less than 1M, so they could easily be waived and sent to the NHL. I'd rather see Kolyachonok play at least bottom pair minures, but he's already in Sully's doghouse. Maybe they want to have Pickering there to start the season anyways. Graves must be no higher than #7-8.

They have no legit LD to play top 4 minutes. No wonder it's a priority for KD.
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Victor wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:26 pm
Any chance Král and Hollowell make the NHL at some point? Or are they seen mostly as younger versions of Trotman and Czuczman?
The Penguins really like Hollowell, but, if Karlsson and Letang are still here, I'm not sure he is a fit. I'd like to see Karlsson go out, and keep Timmins as the 2nd pairing RD. Let Pickering and potentially Brunicke grow together and hold down the bottom pair.

X-Letang
X-Timmins
Pickering-Brunicke
x-Kolyachonok, Shea

Let Graves spend his summer visiting Marian Hossa and cross your fingers that he comes down with Hossa's rare "allergic to hockey equipment" ailment. Penguins are said to want to be active searching for LD this summer, either via UFA or RFAs.
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Why would Hollowell all of sudden at 26yrs old be a possible regular NHL player? He played 6 NHL games until now in his career. Maybe occasional 3rd pair plug in,but otherwise I dont see it at all. I just dont like D around 5'9 - 5'10 even at 3rd pair.

I rather see there guys like Timmins, Brunicke, Pietila..
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Král and Hollowell.. no. No chance.
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Pens4Life wrote: Sat Apr 05, 2025 4:42 am
Why would Hollowell all of sudden at 26yrs old be a possible regular NHL player? He played 6 NHL games until now in his career. Maybe occasional 3rd pair plug in,but otherwise I dont see it at all. I just dont like D around 5'9 - 5'10 even at 3rd pair.

I rather see there guys like Timmins, Brunicke, Pietila..
Forgot he was 5'9. Makes sense to have these type of guys as AHL depth.
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WBS got thrashed last night 7-1 against Cleveland. Larsson was in net for all goals.

Ponomarev scored the only goal. He's now up to 15 this season.
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I wonder what Pens will do with Tomasino and Dewar, they are both RFA.. Dewar started very good with us,then back to reality, similar to Tomasino, who is now also in Sully's doghouse for reason only top NHL coach knows. I dont know tbh if keeping both of them is realistic and as Dewar plays PK, he will be more of a keeper to Sullivan,for Tomasino, I think it could depend on arrival of Hallander.. but for deal around 1.5M 1yr deal I think Phillip is worth keeping. Still only 23yrs old. Dewar 1yr 1M deal should be realistic, 4th line energy player and PK duties.

C : Crosby, Malkin, Novak, Lizotte
LW : Rakell, Hallander, McGroarty, Dewar, Heinen
RW : Rust, Koivunen, Tomasino, K.Hayes, Acciari

Ponomarev, A.Hayes, Poulin, Broz - all should battle for some games next year with big boys! Injuries will happen..
best case scenario would be offseason trades for Acciari and Heinen if possible, so one of younger guys can be 12/13th guy swapping with Hayes.
PK duties would be given to Dewar, Lizotte, Rust, Hallander, K.Hayes..
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WBS with another loss against Cleveland, 3-0. Murashov was in net. 3 straight regulation losses.

Currently 3rd in the division, 2 points behind 2nd with 6 games remaining. Top 2 seeded teams in their division get a bye in the first round of the AHL playoffs.
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Victor wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 9:29 am
WBS with another loss against Cleveland, 3-0. Murashov was in net. 3 straight regulation losses.

Currently 3rd in the division, 2 points behind 2nd with 6 games remaining. Top 2 seeded teams in their division get a bye in the first round of the AHL playoffs.
Coincides with McGroarty and Koivunen moves. Interesting. Wonder if another loss or two will see those two returned a little early?