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More odds and ends random stuff:

--(From DK site) - Finn Harding has signed an amateur tryout with Wheeling. Harding, RHD, was a 7th round pick, set a career high in points with 7 goals and 50 assists, and added 5 assists in 6 playoff games before being eliminated. He turned 20 in the beginning of March, so he'll be in WBS next season.

--(From DK site) - Joona Vaisanen, RHD, 6th round pick in 2024, advanced to the next round of NCAA playoffs with Western Michigan. He turns 21 in July, and is not yet signed by the Penguins.

Not sure how much total upside both of these guys have (there is a lot of positivity around Harding right now), but good to see some late round picks having some success.
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There was an article about Vaisanen in the Athletic this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/624986 ... ozen-four/
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Sid now has 89 points this season, good for 10th in the NHL. He's 8th in even-strenght points with 63. Tied for 3rd in the league with 9 GWG.

Doing all that at age 37, playing on an awful team.

He's beyond unreal.
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FLPensFan wrote: Fri Apr 11, 2025 12:47 pm
More odds and ends random stuff:

--(From DK site) - Finn Harding has signed an amateur tryout with Wheeling. Harding, RHD, was a 7th round pick, set a career high in points with 7 goals and 50 assists, and added 5 assists in 6 playoff games before being eliminated. He turned 20 in the beginning of March, so he'll be in WBS next season.

--(From DK site) - Joona Vaisanen, RHD, 6th round pick in 2024, advanced to the next round of NCAA playoffs with Western Michigan. He turns 21 in July, and is not yet signed by the Penguins.

Not sure how much total upside both of these guys have (there is a lot of positivity around Harding right now), but good to see some late round picks having some success.
They swung for the fences and I do think there's some guys that'll upgrade the org from the bottom up (Wheeling/WBS). I liked the Väisänen pick when it happened, he's a bit of an all-round dude that might become a decent tweener in a few years. He might be nearly as good as Graves already :scared:
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Victor wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:01 am
Sid now has 89 points this season, good for 10th in the NHL. He's 8th in even-strenght points with 63. Tied for 3rd in the league with 9 GWG.

Doing all that at age 37, playing on an awful team.

He's beyond unreal.
He needs 1 more to match a Pen's record of 90 points by a player at age 37. Mario is the man to beat.
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Pitts wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:48 am
Victor wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:01 am
Sid now has 89 points this season, good for 10th in the NHL. He's 8th in even-strenght points with 63. Tied for 3rd in the league with 9 GWG.

Doing all that at age 37, playing on an awful team.

He's beyond unreal.
He needs 1 more to match a Pen's record of 90 points by a player at age 37. Mario is the man to beat.
Lemieux had 91 points in 02-03, so he needs 2 to tie, 3 to beat it.
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Jesse Puljujarvi with his first goal as a Panther, a sweet one-handed deflection goal on the PP....announcers were talking up his good play since being recalled (this is his 3rd game). He was parked in front of the net most of his PP shift. That was his 3rd credited shot of the game, and he had 8 hits through 2 periods.

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Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
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thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
Absolutely! For a 5th round pick? I think he's been very solid for us. It's not easy being EK's partner, that's for darn sure!
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thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
Yeah. Kingerski is out to lunch on this one. Eye test shows Timmins has speed, uses his size and has some offensive game. In 15 games with us he's 1-6-7 and a +8. +8 would easily be first on this team. Not sure what's he's looking at.
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A major complaint of mine. The Pittsburgh hockey media and some writers have no idea what they are talking about. Some have a already set opinion on some players and only look for the mistakes they make. One writer has a thing against Vladdy, while not considering his inexperience at the NHL level. Criticism of veteran players goes mostly absent.
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thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
I thought Timmins was very good the first several games he played here. I think he has gone downhill a bit since then, but, he's been Sullivan'd. Why FLPensFan, whatever do you mean? Well, what was working for him when he started and was playing very well....oh, he was playing his correct RD position AND he was paired with Kolyachonok, who ALSO happened to have a very strong start.

When did Timmins go downhill? Well, that would be when Sullivan started by moving Kolyachonok to LD with Letang....which subsequently killed Kolyachonok's advanced stats and led to him getting benched. At the same time, Timmins started playing higher up the lineup and playing LEFT DEFENSE, which is not his natural position. Can he do it? Yes. Is he as effective playing LD? Certainly not.

But, these great media folks love to say look as his stats, look at his metrics, he's not been playing well, and fail to look at why was he playing well and what changed when he started playing poorly. Happened with Puljujarvi when they started playing him at LW and reducing his TOI by 3-5 minutes a game....but he just pure stinks and that's why everyone passed on him. Happened to Kolyachonok. Through his first 3-5 games he had team leading advanced stats (Corsi, Shot differential, chance differential)...then Sullivan puts him with Letang and those advanced stats plummet. Same thing with Timmins, who, by the way in 51 games with Toronto this year played over 20 minutes ONCE, yet 15 games with Pittsburgh he's gone over 20 minutes TOI FOUR TIMES. His average TOI is more than 2 minutes higher than what it was in Toronto, almost like Sullivan could be overusing him, on his off side, but....he stinks. :face:
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FLPensFan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:41 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
I thought Timmins was very good the first several games he played here. I think he has gone downhill a bit since then, but, he's been Sullivan'd. Why FLPensFan, whatever do you mean? Well, what was working for him when he started and was playing very well....oh, he was playing his correct RD position AND he was paired with Kolyachonok, who ALSO happened to have a very strong start.

When did Timmins go downhill? Well, that would be when Sullivan started by moving Kolyachonok to LD with Letang....which subsequently killed Kolyachonok's advanced stats and led to him getting benched. At the same time, Timmins started playing higher up the lineup and playing LEFT DEFENSE, which is not his natural position. Can he do it? Yes. Is he as effective playing LD? Certainly not.

But, these great media folks love to say look as his stats, look at his metrics, he's not been playing well, and fail to look at why was he playing well and what changed when he started playing poorly. Happened with Puljujarvi when they started playing him at LW and reducing his TOI by 3-5 minutes a game....but he just pure stinks and that's why everyone passed on him. Happened to Kolyachonok. Through his first 3-5 games he had team leading advanced stats (Corsi, Shot differential, chance differential)...then Sullivan puts him with Letang and those advanced stats plummet. Same thing with Timmins, who, by the way in 51 games with Toronto this year played over 20 minutes ONCE, yet 15 games with Pittsburgh he's gone over 20 minutes TOI FOUR TIMES. His average TOI is more than 2 minutes higher than what it was in Toronto, almost like Sullivan could be overusing him, on his off side, but....he stinks. :face:
Good post. That’s exactly right. This is why Sullivan needs to go. The people who defend him just don’t comprehend that he doesn’t understand how or want to put players in a position to succeed (other than Sid)
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FLPensFan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:41 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
I thought Timmins was very good the first several games he played here. I think he has gone downhill a bit since then, but, he's been Sullivan'd. Why FLPensFan, whatever do you mean? Well, what was working for him when he started and was playing very well....oh, he was playing his correct RD position AND he was paired with Kolyachonok, who ALSO happened to have a very strong start.

When did Timmins go downhill? Well, that would be when Sullivan started by moving Kolyachonok to LD with Letang....which subsequently killed Kolyachonok's advanced stats and led to him getting benched. At the same time, Timmins started playing higher up the lineup and playing LEFT DEFENSE, which is not his natural position. Can he do it? Yes. Is he as effective playing LD? Certainly not.

But, these great media folks love to say look as his stats, look at his metrics, he's not been playing well, and fail to look at why was he playing well and what changed when he started playing poorly. Happened with Puljujarvi when they started playing him at LW and reducing his TOI by 3-5 minutes a game....but he just pure stinks and that's why everyone passed on him. Happened to Kolyachonok. Through his first 3-5 games he had team leading advanced stats (Corsi, Shot differential, chance differential)...then Sullivan puts him with Letang and those advanced stats plummet. Same thing with Timmins, who, by the way in 51 games with Toronto this year played over 20 minutes ONCE, yet 15 games with Pittsburgh he's gone over 20 minutes TOI FOUR TIMES. His average TOI is more than 2 minutes higher than what it was in Toronto, almost like Sullivan could be overusing him, on his off side, but....he stinks. :face:
The way Sullivan uses young players makes it hard to believe any narrative about that player doing poorly. Puljujarvi has a goal and 11 shots in 3 games playing 2 more minutes per game since being called up with Florida. Not saying he will maintain that but I think he could have been a 10 goal 20-30 point 3rd liner for a few years if Sullivan played him as 3rd line RW.
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Daniel wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 12:08 am
FLPensFan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:41 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
I thought Timmins was very good the first several games he played here. I think he has gone downhill a bit since then, but, he's been Sullivan'd. Why FLPensFan, whatever do you mean? Well, what was working for him when he started and was playing very well....oh, he was playing his correct RD position AND he was paired with Kolyachonok, who ALSO happened to have a very strong start.

When did Timmins go downhill? Well, that would be when Sullivan started by moving Kolyachonok to LD with Letang....which subsequently killed Kolyachonok's advanced stats and led to him getting benched. At the same time, Timmins started playing higher up the lineup and playing LEFT DEFENSE, which is not his natural position. Can he do it? Yes. Is he as effective playing LD? Certainly not.

But, these great media folks love to say look as his stats, look at his metrics, he's not been playing well, and fail to look at why was he playing well and what changed when he started playing poorly. Happened with Puljujarvi when they started playing him at LW and reducing his TOI by 3-5 minutes a game....but he just pure stinks and that's why everyone passed on him. Happened to Kolyachonok. Through his first 3-5 games he had team leading advanced stats (Corsi, Shot differential, chance differential)...then Sullivan puts him with Letang and those advanced stats plummet. Same thing with Timmins, who, by the way in 51 games with Toronto this year played over 20 minutes ONCE, yet 15 games with Pittsburgh he's gone over 20 minutes TOI FOUR TIMES. His average TOI is more than 2 minutes higher than what it was in Toronto, almost like Sullivan could be overusing him, on his off side, but....he stinks. :face:
The way Sullivan uses young players makes it hard to believe any narrative about that player doing poorly. Puljujarvi has a goal and 11 shots in 3 games playing 2 more minutes per game since being called up with Florida. Not saying he will maintain that but I think he could have been a 10 goal 20-30 point 3rd liner for a few years if Sullivan played him as 3rd line RW.
Agreed. Never expected him to ascend to 60 point top 6 guy, but I think on a 3rd line RW, he was capable of being a 15 goal, 35 point guy. Nothing wrong with that at all if he can do it consistently.

Sullivan threw away Erod too over one playoff penalty, after having a career year regular season. He's gone on to maintain near that career year level every year since, while playing a heck of a lot more playoff games than Sullivan has coached the last several years. Guy is the definition of player who can play on every line, every position, at every strength. But at least we have Noel Acciari....
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Maybe Kingerski has some fans here, but in my opinion he is very questionable and has sometimes dumb opinions. Not to mention he is biased pro Sully guy.

Btw. I'm happy for Jesse P, I hope he sticks with Panthers and wins another cup heh
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They wanted Timmins to play more minutes. But he's RHD. Letang and Karlsson are in his way. Moving Karlsson to LHD means he won't stay in position and reverts to the right. Of course Timmins will be more successful with more limited ice playing his natural side. But our problem is we can't move our Righties and our Lefties suck. Grz, Graves, Shea.. Kolyachonok isn't necessarily any better or worse overall and probably tops out as 3LHD. There ARE THREE spots up for grabs for a LHD, but we don't have people that can convincingly claim any spot aside from Pickering

Dubas needs to get his head of of the sand and fix this. Timmins is a solid 3rd pair guy with a little room for more. Just need to clear some of the junk. Brunicke is RHD too. This doesn't get easier.


As for Puljujarvi.. he got doghoused. Think word was he's got somewhat low hockey intelligence? I don't know. Never understood why he didn't fit and utter bums like Nieto did.
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The media brought to the Pens attention that this would be their first season they don’t finish at least .500 since 05-06.

I saw a Rust interview talking about it , Now the players are motivated to win the next 2 games so we finish 35-35-12. Can’t think of a worse way to finish the season.
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MayorofD6 wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:10 pm
A major complaint of mine. The Pittsburgh hockey media and some writers have no idea what they are talking about. Some have a already set opinion on some players and only look for the mistakes they make. One writer has a thing against Vladdy, while not considering his inexperience at the NHL level. Criticism of veteran players goes mostly absent.
And then there’s Ron Cook. Look up “clueless” in the dictionary and you’ll find his picture. :face:

Did I mention that he’s clueless?
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FLPensFan wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 1:41 am
Daniel wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 12:08 am
FLPensFan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:41 pm
thehockeyguru wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 9:26 pm
Saw this in a Kingerski article,
The Penguins’ other RFA, defenseman Conor Timmins, who was acquired from Toronto with Dewar, has done little to distinguish himself as a reliable D-man
Not sure what he's been watching I think Timmons has done a good job since acquired
I thought Timmins was very good the first several games he played here. I think he has gone downhill a bit since then, but, he's been Sullivan'd. Why FLPensFan, whatever do you mean? Well, what was working for him when he started and was playing very well....oh, he was playing his correct RD position AND he was paired with Kolyachonok, who ALSO happened to have a very strong start.

When did Timmins go downhill? Well, that would be when Sullivan started by moving Kolyachonok to LD with Letang....which subsequently killed Kolyachonok's advanced stats and led to him getting benched. At the same time, Timmins started playing higher up the lineup and playing LEFT DEFENSE, which is not his natural position. Can he do it? Yes. Is he as effective playing LD? Certainly not.

But, these great media folks love to say look as his stats, look at his metrics, he's not been playing well, and fail to look at why was he playing well and what changed when he started playing poorly. Happened with Puljujarvi when they started playing him at LW and reducing his TOI by 3-5 minutes a game....but he just pure stinks and that's why everyone passed on him. Happened to Kolyachonok. Through his first 3-5 games he had team leading advanced stats (Corsi, Shot differential, chance differential)...then Sullivan puts him with Letang and those advanced stats plummet. Same thing with Timmins, who, by the way in 51 games with Toronto this year played over 20 minutes ONCE, yet 15 games with Pittsburgh he's gone over 20 minutes TOI FOUR TIMES. His average TOI is more than 2 minutes higher than what it was in Toronto, almost like Sullivan could be overusing him, on his off side, but....he stinks. :face:
The way Sullivan uses young players makes it hard to believe any narrative about that player doing poorly. Puljujarvi has a goal and 11 shots in 3 games playing 2 more minutes per game since being called up with Florida. Not saying he will maintain that but I think he could have been a 10 goal 20-30 point 3rd liner for a few years if Sullivan played him as 3rd line RW.
Agreed. Never expected him to ascend to 60 point top 6 guy, but I think on a 3rd line RW, he was capable of being a 15 goal, 35 point guy. Nothing wrong with that at all if he can do it consistently.

Sullivan threw away Erod too over one playoff penalty, after having a career year regular season. He's gone on to maintain near that career year level every year since, while playing a heck of a lot more playoff games than Sullivan has coached the last several years. Guy is the definition of player who can play on every line, every position, at every strength. But at least we have Noel Acciari....
What's worse about ERod is that Sullivan was the only one who saw the potential, was able to get the potential out, then threw it away over one mistake. ERod kinda shows both sides of Sullivan. A really good coach that let's his pettiness get in the way of his coaching.
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The problem on defense is you can't have both Letang and Karlsson too many defensive mistakes. Heck even Pettersson couldn't offset the crap play. I won't take a retool seriously until one or both are gone
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FLPensFan wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:25 pm
Pitts wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 10:48 am
Victor wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:01 am
Sid now has 89 points this season, good for 10th in the NHL. He's 8th in even-strenght points with 63. Tied for 3rd in the league with 9 GWG.

Doing all that at age 37, playing on an awful team.

He's beyond unreal.
He needs 1 more to match a Pen's record of 90 points by a player at age 37. Mario is the man to beat.
Lemieux had 91 points in 02-03, so he needs 2 to tie, 3 to beat it.
I was looking about the roster of the 02-03 season and it was brutal. 2nd in scoring that year was Kovalev with 64 points in 54 games. Straka was 3rd with 46 points in 60 games. Dick Tärnström was 4th with 41 points.

Kovalev got traded in February and one of the pieces coming back was Rico Fata. Jan Hrdina was dealt for Ramzi Abid and Dan Focht. Ian Moran was traded for a pick that ended up being Paul Bissonnette.

Pens have done a LOT worse than they did during the current season.
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Puck-Lurker wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:12 am
They wanted Timmins to play more minutes. But he's RHD. Letang and Karlsson are in his way. Moving Karlsson to LHD means he won't stay in position and reverts to the right. Of course Timmins will be more successful with more limited ice playing his natural side. But our problem is we can't move our Righties and our Lefties suck. Grz, Graves, Shea.. Kolyachonok isn't necessarily any better or worse overall and probably tops out as 3LHD. There ARE THREE spots up for grabs for a LHD, but we don't have people that can convincingly claim any spot aside from Pickering

Dubas needs to get his head of of the sand and fix this. Timmins is a solid 3rd pair guy with a little room for more. Just need to clear some of the junk. Brunicke is RHD too. This doesn't get easier.


As for Puljujarvi.. he got doghoused. Think word was he's got somewhat low hockey intelligence? I don't know. Never understood why he didn't fit and utter bums like Nieto did.
Nieto played for BU. Sully loves his guys.
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WBS with 3 games this weekend. On Friday they lost 4-2 to Hershey after leading 2-0. Murashov was in net and saved 21 of 24.

On Saturday, they won over Springfield 4-1. Blomqvist saved 22 of 23 for the win.

Today they beat Bridgeport 5-2. Murashov again in net with 30 saves in 32 shots.

Tristan Broz and Atley Calvert each had 2 goals and one assists over these 3 games. Poulin and St. Ivany had 4 assists each. Pickering had 2 assists.

They are now 3rd in their division, tied with Providence and 2 points behind Charlotte for 2nd. Both WBS and Charlotte have a game in hand.