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Puck-Lurker wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:12 am
They wanted Timmins to play more minutes. But he's RHD. Letang and Karlsson are in his way. Moving Karlsson to LHD means he won't stay in position and reverts to the right. Of course Timmins will be more successful with more limited ice playing his natural side. But our problem is we can't move our Righties and our Lefties suck. Grz, Graves, Shea.. Kolyachonok isn't necessarily any better or worse overall and probably tops out as 3LHD. There ARE THREE spots up for grabs for a LHD, but we don't have people that can convincingly claim any spot aside from Pickering

Dubas needs to get his head of of the sand and fix this. Timmins is a solid 3rd pair guy with a little room for more. Just need to clear some of the junk. Brunicke is RHD too. This doesn't get easier.


As for Puljujarvi.. he got doghoused. Think word was he's got somewhat low hockey intelligence? I don't know. Never understood why he didn't fit and utter bums like Nieto did.
Kingerski is hit or miss on his opinions. Regarding his take on Timmins, he's out to lunch.
In a recent Canadian based podcast, Dubas himself pretty much confirmed that Timmins will be back next season and is quite pleased with what he's seen. Likewise for Dewar, who is on track to return next season.
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dark_forces wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:13 pm
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:12 am
They wanted Timmins to play more minutes. But he's RHD. Letang and Karlsson are in his way. Moving Karlsson to LHD means he won't stay in position and reverts to the right. Of course Timmins will be more successful with more limited ice playing his natural side. But our problem is we can't move our Righties and our Lefties suck. Grz, Graves, Shea.. Kolyachonok isn't necessarily any better or worse overall and probably tops out as 3LHD. There ARE THREE spots up for grabs for a LHD, but we don't have people that can convincingly claim any spot aside from Pickering

Dubas needs to get his head of of the sand and fix this. Timmins is a solid 3rd pair guy with a little room for more. Just need to clear some of the junk. Brunicke is RHD too. This doesn't get easier.


As for Puljujarvi.. he got doghoused. Think word was he's got somewhat low hockey intelligence? I don't know. Never understood why he didn't fit and utter bums like Nieto did.
Kingerski is hit or miss on his opinions. Regarding his take on Timmins, he's out to lunch.
In a recent Canadian based podcast, Dubas himself pretty much confirmed that Timmins will be back next season and is quite pleased with what he's seen. Likewise for Dewar, who is on track to return next season.
Ideally for me, our RD next year would be Letang/Karlsson, Timmins, Brunicke.
Ideally for me, our LD next year would be trade, Kolyachonok, Pickering.

I'd like to see Pickering and Brunicke paired together, and start build some chemistry that could be a long lasting pairing when healthy.
Kolyachonok and Timmins have a small sample size together, but 13 minutes TOI at 5v5, Corsi 73%, Shots 75%, Chances 72%. To me, both of these guys have offensive upside and are better defensively than our coaching staff gives credit.
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Really wish this would start happening here with Sullivan:

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dark_forces wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:13 pm
Puck-Lurker wrote: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:12 am
They wanted Timmins to play more minutes. But he's RHD. Letang and Karlsson are in his way. Moving Karlsson to LHD means he won't stay in position and reverts to the right. Of course Timmins will be more successful with more limited ice playing his natural side. But our problem is we can't move our Righties and our Lefties suck. Grz, Graves, Shea.. Kolyachonok isn't necessarily any better or worse overall and probably tops out as 3LHD. There ARE THREE spots up for grabs for a LHD, but we don't have people that can convincingly claim any spot aside from Pickering

Dubas needs to get his head of of the sand and fix this. Timmins is a solid 3rd pair guy with a little room for more. Just need to clear some of the junk. Brunicke is RHD too. This doesn't get easier.


As for Puljujarvi.. he got doghoused. Think word was he's got somewhat low hockey intelligence? I don't know. Never understood why he didn't fit and utter bums like Nieto did.
Kingerski is hit or miss on his opinions. Regarding his take on Timmins, he's out to lunch.
In a recent Canadian based podcast, Dubas himself pretty much confirmed that Timmins will be back next season and is quite pleased with what he's seen. Likewise for Dewar, who is on track to return next season.
Dewar.. meh? Feels like the next Cody Glass to me. Though he's put up a few points. With his limited time in Pittsburgh, he'd be on a 30 point clip. Before anyone gets excited, Glass was on the same pace before he got traded.

Only difference... Dewar would be somewhere around 20 goals if he keeps this pace, and Glass at 6 or so.


Sample sizes aren't huge though, especially for Dewar.
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Dewar is fine as a 4th liner/spare forward. A type of player you'd want to give WBS players some competition, something that Sully never allows to happen.
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I wouldn't mind bringing Dewar back, as long as Heinen was shipped out. Just too many of the same thing in our current bottom 6.
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While not announced yet by either team, it appears that Filip Kral has been recalled by the Penguins. Seth Rorabaugh tweeted about this, seeing it on NHL media transactions.

Filip Kral is also now listed on the Penguins website as #82. He'll be the only the second Penguins to wear that number.
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This meaningless statistic continues to make me giggle every year.
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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:41 pm
While not announced yet by either team, it appears that Filip Kral has been recalled by the Penguins. Seth Rorabaugh tweeted about this, seeing it on NHL media transactions.

Filip Kral is also now listed on the Penguins website as #82. He'll be the only the second Penguins to wear that number.
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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:41 pm
Filip Kral is also now listed on the Penguins website as #82. He'll be the only the second Penguins to wear that number.
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KG wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:59 pm
FLPensFan wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:41 pm
While not announced yet by either team, it appears that Filip Kral has been recalled by the Penguins. Seth Rorabaugh tweeted about this, seeing it on NHL media transactions.

Filip Kral is also now listed on the Penguins website as #82. He'll be the only the second Penguins to wear that number.
Marty Straka! Underrated Pen. He scored a lot of big goals for us. I remember when we traded him to Ottawa for Norm Maciver and Troy Murray. Didn't like the trade then. Still don't!
Still remember when he stole the puck from Gonchar against the Caps and scored the winner!
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Victor wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:18 pm
And he didn't disappoint.....first NHL point 6 minutes into the game on an Alex Newhook goal, and a goal of his own 13 minutes in.

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FLPensFan wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:42 pm
Victor wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:18 pm
And he didn't disappoint.....first NHL point 6 minutes into the game on an Alex Newhook goal, and a goal of his own 13 minutes in.

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Yohe was speculating that the Pens could use some of their draft capital to get out of a bad contract. Assuming he means Graves or Jarry, maybe Letang? Everyone else with an inflated contract are on the last years of their deals.

I think Graves has to go. If they have to attach a 3rd or 2 to move him I would do it. He just flat out stinks. Trade him to the Sharks or Hawks to help them get to the cap floor. Jarry I think could bounce back. Goalies are so strange and are impossible to figure.

Letang would probably only accept a trade to Montreal I would think. But they would probably have interest.
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KG wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:17 am
Yohe was speculating that the Pens could use some of their draft capital to get out of a bad contract. Assuming he means Graves or Jarry, maybe Letang? Everyone else with an inflated contract are on the last years of their deals.

I think Graves has to go. If they have to attach a 3rd or 2 to move him I would do it. He just flat out stinks. Trade him to the Sharks or Hawks to help them get to the cap floor. Jarry I think could bounce back. Goalies are so strange and are impossible to figure.

Letang would probably only accept a trade to Montreal I would think. But they would probably have interest.
Yea, we are obviously going to be competing for a cup this upcoming season so getting rid of some contracts of players on a down year makes a bunch of sense.
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Using draft capital should be for long term investments, not short term gains.

Like acquiring a young top4 LHD or two, or someone for 2C down the road. Something that matters.

Ditching bad contracts for the sake of getting rid of them does nothing in isolation. Clearing out either Karlsson or Letang - for a return, like a 1st and or good prospect or young player - I can get behind. It would have a bunch of moving parts, like a 2nd rounder going out, but at the core would be shipping out the right now and not particularly useful for us (Letang/Karlsson) for futures (pick/prospect/player) in some configuration. But the invested picks should be there to facilitate the return, the return can't be salary dump.
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I've posted this before, and it's weird for us as Pens fans to contemplate, but the Pens need to worry about getting to the salary floor next season. Right now, Puckpedia has them at $71 million in salary on the books for 12 forwards, 5 d-men, and 2 goalies. And the salary floor is $70.6 million. That doesn't include RFAs like Tomasino, Timmins, Dewar, etc., but none of those guys should be that expensive and would be displacing guys listed on the roster currently by Puckpedia (e.g., Kolyachonok or Puustinen), so their total salary won't go up much by signing those RFAs.

And I think most of us agree that they should try to trade Karlsson. Even if they retain $5 million on him, that still might put them under the floor if he goes out.

So, I wouldn't pay to get rid of Graves or Jarry. If they do get rid of either of them, they'll probably need to sign some reasonably expensive free agents to bring the salary total up or get paid to take on some bad contracts. If someone wants Graves for "future considerations," then, sure, trade him. But I wouldn't attach a pick to move him.
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largegarlic wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:53 pm
I've posted this before, and it's weird for us as Pens fans to contemplate, but the Pens need to worry about getting to the salary floor next season. Right now, Puckpedia has them at $71 million in salary on the books for 12 forwards, 5 d-men, and 2 goalies. And the salary floor is $70.6 million. That doesn't include RFAs like Tomasino, Timmins, Dewar, etc., but none of those guys should be that expensive and would be displacing guys listed on the roster currently by Puckpedia (e.g., Kolyachonok or Puustinen), so their total salary won't go up much by signing those RFAs.

And I think most of us agree that they should try to trade Karlsson. Even if they retain $5 million on him, that still might put them under the floor if he goes out.

So, I wouldn't pay to get rid of Graves or Jarry. If they do get rid of either of them, they'll probably need to sign some reasonably expensive free agents to bring the salary total up or get paid to take on some bad contracts. If someone wants Graves for "future considerations," then, sure, trade him. But I wouldn't attach a pick to move him.
The amount of cap space makes it even less likely that they give up good assets to trade Graves and/or Jarry. They can just bury them at WBS or the nacho stand and play an ELC replacement to take their spots.
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Puck-Lurker wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:41 pm
Using draft capital should be for long term investments, not short term gains.

Like acquiring a young top4 LHD or two, or someone for 2C down the road. Something that matters.

Ditching bad contracts for the sake of getting rid of them does nothing in isolation. Clearing out either Karlsson or Letang - for a return, like a 1st and or good prospect or young player - I can get behind. It would have a bunch of moving parts, like a 2nd rounder going out, but at the core would be shipping out the right now and not particularly useful for us (Letang/Karlsson) for futures (pick/prospect/player) in some configuration. But the invested picks should be there to facilitate the return, the return can't be salary dump.
If it were one bad contract, I'd say you are correct. But essentially, the Penguins have 4 bad contracts that will make it difficult for them to maneuver....Graves, Karlsson, Jarry, Letang, in that order for me.

With the cap going up, it sucks to have dead money, but I'd start looking at buying out Graves. Again, with multiple bad contracts, and 3 of the 4 on defense, just carrying him on the roster all year to do nothing isn't very viable. Graves actually got worse this year. Went from a +10 to a -11, from 14 points to 4 points, and the defense was just as bad as season 1. Bite the bullet, take the cap hit for the next 8 years. With the amount of youth that SHOULD be filtering in and out of this lineup, the first 4 years of 2.4M, 3.4M, 3.4M, and 3.6M won't be that hard to work around, and 4 more years of 695k won't kill them either. Minnesota dealt with several years of 12M-14M in dead cap from Parise and Suter, and they're still making the playoffs. Dubas needs to make it work.

I keep hearing that Karlsson has value in the trade market as long as the Penguins retain. I think they need to pull the trigger on this. Rumor I heard is that Dubas would retain up to 3.5M, and that at 6.5M there would be teams interested. I'll believe it when I see it, and I would not expect it to happen until after his July 1st bonus is paid by the Penguins.

Jarry, I think there could potentially be someone that takes a risk on him. Not banking on it, but with salary retained or a bad contract coming back, I think there is a possibility he's dealt. I also think there is a possibility he's on the opening night roster next season.

Letang is no longer a #1 d-man. That's the big issue. I didn't see much of the game against Boston, but looking at TOI stats, Letang was 4th among the d-men in TOI with just over 17 minutes. That's the first game I think Sully has done that. I'd like to see him do that for the last game as well. Problem is, if Karlsson's moved and Letang isn't a #1 anymore, who is #1 for the Penguins? Can they get someone like Byram and pair him with Timmins and have that work as a first pairing? Don't know what the options are here.
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Daniel wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:09 pm
largegarlic wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:53 pm
I've posted this before, and it's weird for us as Pens fans to contemplate, but the Pens need to worry about getting to the salary floor next season. Right now, Puckpedia has them at $71 million in salary on the books for 12 forwards, 5 d-men, and 2 goalies. And the salary floor is $70.6 million. That doesn't include RFAs like Tomasino, Timmins, Dewar, etc., but none of those guys should be that expensive and would be displacing guys listed on the roster currently by Puckpedia (e.g., Kolyachonok or Puustinen), so their total salary won't go up much by signing those RFAs.

And I think most of us agree that they should try to trade Karlsson. Even if they retain $5 million on him, that still might put them under the floor if he goes out.

So, I wouldn't pay to get rid of Graves or Jarry. If they do get rid of either of them, they'll probably need to sign some reasonably expensive free agents to bring the salary total up or get paid to take on some bad contracts. If someone wants Graves for "future considerations," then, sure, trade him. But I wouldn't attach a pick to move him.
The amount of cap space makes it even less likely that they give up good assets to trade Graves and/or Jarry. They can just bury them at WBS or the nacho stand and play an ELC replacement to take their spots.
The alternative could be including Graves or Jarry in a larger trade package that would involve another "bad contract" coming back. Though, from what I imagine will happen, they'll deal Ned, returning with Jarry next year and pair him with either Larsson or Blomqvist and allow Murashov to take the reigns in Wilkes.
FLAFAN, your last point about Letang/Karlsson and the #1 defense pairing will be the crux of the offseason.
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Pens will have plenty of cap space at least the next two years. Makes sense to use it to advantage. Trade Karlsson at 50%.

Adding picks to a bad contract ain't smart.
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Move Letang.....keep Karlsson.
Although I am aware it well never happen. Just think it makes more sense, Karlsson, although just as inept as Letang defensively, can still be a force offensively. Especially if by some miracle Sullivan is gone.
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13F: Crosby, Malkin, Rust, Rakell, Hayes, Novak, Heinen, Acciari, Lizotte, McGroarty, Koivunen, Dewar (1.25M), Tomasino (1,65M)
7D: Karlsson, Letang, Graves, Shea, Kolyachonok, Timmins (1.5M), Pickering
2G: Jarry, Nedeljkovic

Just going with the current roster, some players resigned, some left off. I kept a spot open for.. whatever player is really deserving coming out of camp and the Calder Cup playoffs. Ponomarev, Brunicke, Broz, St Ivany, Pieniniemi, Poulin?, Hållander??, Avery Hayes???

This gets you to roughly 76M -- 77M with the 23rd player. That's 5M and change above the floor, so sending out 5M in salary is not a problem.